Mavericks - 2023 Preseason (G4. Oct. 20 vs Pistons 7p.m CST)

Post #461 » by **Mavrelous** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:16 am

JVG took the Celtics job, probably wanted to stay in the east cost, I don't think he moves the needle much coaching wise, NBA is totally different than it was in his day.

Maverick41 · Post #462 » by **Maverick41** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:33 am

Mavrelous wrote:JVG took the Celtics job, probably wanted to stay in the east cost, I don't think he moves the needle much coaching wise, NBA is totally different than it was in his day.

Yeah he wouldn't move the needle in today's NBA. As an assistant he certainly can help, but I don't see it as a HC anymore.

The guy i would like to replace Kidd is Jordi Fernandez. Canada coach and associate assistant head coach in SAC. Guy helped turn the Kings to the best offensive team + bronze for CAN team. Heck he somehow got Dillon Brooks to stop his bone headed chucking and be a very efficient player in FIBA. Imo it's only a matter of time before someone picks him up.

Post #463 » by **Mavrelous** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:56 am

Maverick41 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:JVG took the Celtics job, probably wanted to stay in the east cost, I don't think he moves the needle much coaching wise, NBA is totally different than it was in his day.

Yeah he wouldn't move the needle in today's NBA. As an assistant he certainly can help, but I don't see it as a HC anymore.

The guy i would like to replace Kidd is Jordi Fernandez. Canada coach and associate assistant head coach in SAC. Guy helped turn the Kings to the best offensive team + bronze for CAN team. Heck he somehow got Dillon Brooks to stop his bone headed chucking and be a very efficient player in FIBA. Imo it's only a matter of time before someone picks him up.

Great pick, I liked how both Kings offense and team Canada played

BliscoSantos · Post #464 » by **BliscoSantos** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:57 am

Mavrelous wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:JVG took the Celtics job, probably wanted to stay in the east cost, I don't think he moves the needle much coaching wise, NBA is totally different than it was in his day.

Yeah he wouldn't move the needle in today's NBA. As an assistant he certainly can help, but I don't see it as a HC anymore.

The guy i would like to replace Kidd is Jordi Fernandez. Canada coach and associate assistant head coach in SAC. Guy helped turn the Kings to the best offensive team + bronze for CAN team. Heck he somehow got Dillon Brooks to stop his bone headed chucking and be a very efficient player in FIBA. Imo it's only a matter of time before someone picks him up.

Great pick, I liked how both Kings offense and team Canada played

I think Kidd has too big of an ego to let someone who actually knows how to set plays tell him what to do...he prefers yes men around him

Post #465 » by **Mavrelous** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:19 am

BliscoSantos wrote:I think Kidd has too big of an ego to let someone who actually knows how to set plays tell him what to do...he prefers yes men around him

I hope I'm wrong, but I think the season start will result in Jason Kidd being fired.

41Dirk41 · Post #466 » by **41Dirk41** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:56 am

Mavrelous wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:I think Kidd has too big of an ego to let someone who actually knows how to set plays tell him what to do...he prefers yes men around him

I hope I'm wrong, but I think the season start will result in Jason Kidd being fired.

Me too.

And it will be the first goal of the season.

daoneandonly · Post #467 » by **daoneandonly** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:14 pm

Yea think it's time to say goodbye to Kidd. I'm still skeptical the Luka/Kyrie pairing can work, so we could somehow manage to turn Ky into 2 solid starters, you'd have to at least consider it based on the who. Like if Miami wanted Ky and traded Caleb Martin/Lowry/2nds. We could keep Martin and flip expiring Lowry for a better piece

Captain_Obvious · Post #468 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:18 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Yea think it's time to say goodbye to Kidd. I'm still skeptical the Luka/Kyrie pairing can work, so we could somehow manage to turn Ky into 2 solid starters, you'd have to at least consider it based on the who. Like if Miami wanted Ky and traded Caleb Martin/Lowry/2nds. We could keep Martin and flip expiring Lowry for a better piece

Thats god awful wtf

daoneandonly · Post #469 » by **daoneandonly** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:06 pm

Captain_Obvious wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Yea think it's time to say goodbye to Kidd. I'm still skeptical the Luka/Kyrie pairing can work, so we could somehow manage to turn Ky into 2 solid starters, you'd have to at least consider it based on the who. Like if Miami wanted Ky and traded Caleb Martin/Lowry/2nds. We could keep Martin and flip expiring Lowry for a better piece

Thats god awful wtf

The team as it stands now is awful. Kyrie is unreliable physically and mentally. Caleb Martin is super solid. If Lowry/Green can get u a player who can be #3 of a title team, that's all Luka needs

BliscoSantos · Post #470 » by **BliscoSantos** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:37 pm

Kidd won't get fired even if Mavs Miss the playoffs(which they shouldn't)...even if they just get in the playinn (or at least close to it(1-2 games behind) Kidd will stay ..they'll blame it on the role Players, talk about how they need to improve the roster(although they Love their Players sans Timmy,Holmes)

Captain_Obvious · Post #471 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:50 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Captain_Obvious wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Yea think it's time to say goodbye to Kidd. I'm still skeptical the Luka/Kyrie pairing can work, so we could somehow manage to turn Ky into 2 solid starters, you'd have to at least consider it based on the who. Like if Miami wanted Ky and traded Caleb Martin/Lowry/2nds. We could keep Martin and flip expiring Lowry for a better piece

Thats god awful wtf

The team as it stands now is awful. Kyrie is unreliable physically and mentally. Caleb Martin is super solid. If Lowry/Green can get u a player who can be #3 of a title team, that's all Luka needs

Martin was solid for a minute and Lowry is cooked. And you want to throw away an allstar for that?

Besides, Ky should have more value than last year because he is extended at a very reasonable contract. So why undervalue?

Teffer10 · Post #472 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:59 am

Captain_Obvious wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Yea think it's time to say goodbye to Kidd. I'm still skeptical the Luka/Kyrie pairing can work, so we could somehow manage to turn Ky into 2 solid starters, you'd have to at least consider it based on the who. Like if Miami wanted Ky and traded Caleb Martin/Lowry/2nds. We could keep Martin and flip expiring Lowry for a better piece

Thats god awful wtf

We will probably be begging for a package like that in a few months.
Kyrie is a superstar when he wants to play basketball but how long will that last?

After he destroys this team, what will his trade value then be worth?

Captain_Obvious · Post #473 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:05 am

Ok I'm out

Don't need this negativity in my life

daoneandonly · Post #474 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:07 am

Captain_Obvious wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Captain_Obvious wrote:Thats god awful wtf

The team as it stands now is awful. Kyrie is unreliable physically and mentally. Caleb Martin is super solid. If Lowry/Green can get u a player who can be #3 of a title team, that's all Luka needs

Martin was solid for a minute and Lowry is cooked. And you want to throw away an allstar for that?

Besides, Ky should have more value than last year because he is extended at a very reasonable contract. So why undervalue?

But I didnt mean trade for Lowry, I suggested doing a 3 way where we trade his massive expiring and maybe Green for a superior player/fit

dirkforpres · Post #475 » by **dirkforpres** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:19 pm

Mavrelous wrote:My personal guess is that they start awful, and Kidd is fired, and new coach inserts spark and re-ignites the team.

Kidd is Kyrie's childhood idol and he always speaks extremely high of him so I dont think firing him would help the locker room at all (even if i also think he should be). Anyway, Cuban hired his buddy to coach the team, so I cant see him firing him either.

Nothing will change unless Luka demands it, which is a shame because he puts way too much faith in our front office and they havent really done anything to earn the benefit of the doubt

Archx · Post #476 » by **Archx** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:26 pm

dirkforpres wrote:Nothing will change unless Luka demands it, which is a shame because he puts way too much faith in our front office and they havent really done anything to earn the benefit of the doubt

I think you're right.. If you guys remember from listening to Kidd's post game interviews, it's never his fault. There are 29 coaches who usually take the blame even when the worst happens but that's not the case with Kidd. He always finds something or someone else to blame. In 5 years we never heard Doncic put the blame on anyone but himself while Kidd, even if there is such an obvious coaching mistake that he makes, he will find a way to deflect.

I think he's a master tactician when it comes to kissing Cuban's ass.

ejs78 · Post #477 » by **ejs78** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:54 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:My personal guess is that they start awful, and Kidd is fired, and new coach inserts spark and re-ignites the team.

Kidd is Kyrie's childhood idol and he always speaks extremely high of him so I dont think firing him would help the locker room at all (even if i also think he should be). Anyway, Cuban hired his buddy to coach the team, so I cant see him firing him either.

Nothing will change unless Luka demands it, which is a shame because he puts way too much faith in our front office and they havent really done anything to earn the benefit of the doubt

This is spot on with Kidd. One more point is Luka wasnt to fond of Rick and wanted a players coach. Was hoping for Mosley, but we got Kidd who players love (don't get it).

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Archx · Post #478 » by **Archx** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:16 pm

ejs78 wrote: One more point is Luka wasnt to fond of Rick and wanted a players coach. Was hoping for Mosley, but we got Kidd who players love (don't get it).

Don't listen to this BS from MacMahon. Luka never asked for a coach replacement he also never spoke about who he wanted as a coach. All of this drama was happening when he was far away playing for national team at that time. The only thing Mavs did was to ask him if he's ok with Kidd and he agreed.

We were all hoping for Mosley but Rick alienated him and Mosley probably just wanted out.

Archx · Post #479 » by **Archx** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:47 pm

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DrPampiloni · Post #480 » by **DrPampiloni** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:47 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:My personal guess is that they start awful, and Kidd is fired, and new coach inserts spark and re-ignites the team.

Kidd is Kyrie's childhood idol and he always speaks extremely high of him so I dont think firing him would help the locker room at all (even if i also think he should be). Anyway, Cuban hired his buddy to coach the team, so I cant see him firing him either.

Nothing will change unless Luka demands it, which is a shame because he puts way too much faith in our front office and they havent really done anything to earn the benefit of the doubt

There is a saying about never meeting your idols. Kyrie may have been in love with Kidd, the player, but I think any kind of childhood admiration has zero value after a further disastrous season as a coach.