2020 NBA Draft Discussion (18th and 31st pick)

[arkuo]

Read a rumor about trading # 18 and 31 to sacramento for their 12 and 55.

Not quite sure if 12 is worth the price tag.

[JJP]

I think 12 could get you several players that 18 can't. Saddiq Bey, Kira Lewis. Tyrese Maxey, and even Vassell might be in play at that spot. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[Don7]

Robert Woodard II

Body Fat% 4.50%
Hand Length 9
Hand Widht 10.75
Height W/O shoes 6'5.50''
Height W shoes 6'7.00''
Standing reach 8'9.50''
Weight 230.2
Wingspan 7'2.00'

Like him if he's there with 31..

[JJP]

Apparently Aaron Nesmith interviewed with the Mavericks recently.

https://thesmokingcuban.com/2020/11/11/dallas-mavericks-draft-aaron-nesmith-interview/

If you ever had to trade Curry, that's the player you'd need to replace him.

Also.... It may mean nothing, but it's interesting that the Mavs have interviewed Nesmith and Haliburton. Neither of those players will be there when the Mavs pick at #18. The evidence so far looks like they want to move up a few spots.

[Captain_Obvious]

I'll have Bane at 18th and Woodard or Tillman (if Powell looks done) at 31th

Thanks!

[Darren]

I think 12 could get you several players that 18 can't. Saddiq Bey, Kira Lewis. Tyrese Maxey, and even Vassell might be in play at that spot. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Yes, I agree. The Mavs should trade 18 and 31 for 12 and 55. Maybe the Mavs inquires about Bjelica for Brunson as well. That's it. Bjelica can play a role and is on expiring contract. The Mavs retain Burke in place of Brunson. That's perfectly fine scenario for the Mavs. One of Vassell, Bey or Nesmith could be great fit for the Mavs' roster structure.

I think the Mavs may move TH and Curry for another younger 3D player as well. Maybe J-Rich, Scott and Smith from Sixers.

Maybe the Mavs move #55 along with available 2nd rounder for Desmond Bane or Tillman.

C - KP / Kleber / Boban (EXP)
PF - Bjelica (EXP) / Broekhoff (MIN) / Powell / Scott (EXP - waived?)
SF - Bey or Nesmith or Vassell (12) / DFS (EXP) / Jackson (TO - waived?)
SG - J-Rich (EXP) / Smith (TO) / Bane
PG - Doncic / Burke (BAE) / Wright

[ejs78]

Who wants to take 2 big swings and go Poku at 18 and McDaniels at 31 if both are there?

I'm starting to feel it.


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[Darren]

I am not sold on Poku. Look skinny and slow. Dirk is a lot quicker while being drafted.

[JJP]

The thing about Poku is that the likely outcome as a Maverick is to stash him in Europe for a year and have him play better competition and organize his workouts. Stashing him also saves you some salary. However, it appears the Mavs are looking to get help now if we believe the rumors. So acquiring Poku seems to be a contrary idea if you believe Brad Townsend and others - who think a trade or moving up in the lottery for immediate help is the mission. You can't believe both things at once.

I believe the Mavs want to win sooner - and I think it's unlikely they use an important chip on a long-term project. But the Mavs are pretty good and not tipping their hand, so we won't know until the 18th.

[HMFFL]

Not sure that’s exactly who I would’ve wanted with our pick, if the rumors are correct. I really wanted them to swing for the fences trading into the lottery for Haliburton or Vassell

Haliburton probably going #6 at the earliest and Vassell is top 10. I don't possibly see how we can trade for a top 10 pick or even higher to take Haliburton. I do agree Haliburton would be perfect for us.

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[juanc]

So let me add my 2 cents on this years draft. I am from Europe(Slovenia), so I haven't really watched NCAA games, but my "scouting" comes from games I've been able to found on YT, and games highlights.

My favourite prospect in this years draft is Tyrese Haliburton. I just love how he plays at his own pace. It is an important thing to watch for all the prospects who are projected to be the best player on a team. I love his frame and athleticism. He is more of a finesse player, but when he gets some muscle it's going to be easier for him IMO. I also think that he is going to be a good/great defender in the NBA. I think he'll be a good/great shooter, even if his mechanics are a bit off.
I think he will be a top3 player in this draft when it's all said and done. My comp for him would be an even better Malcolm Brogdon, wich is a great player. If the Mavs somehow trade up and get him(since he was working out for them) I think he would be a drem fit for this team. But the chances of getting him are slim...

Now the guy for me, if the Mavs keep the #18, is Josh Green. I know that he is not the most popular pick here, but let me explain you why I think he'd be great for the Mavs.
Let me first say that I realy like his athleticism. He is a very agile and fluid athlete, I would say that he is elite in those areas. He's explosive, great at decelerating and at switching directions. That's what I think is very importatnt for a good defender, to bo able to quickly adjust to the offensive player you are guarding(specially 1on1 D). He also has nice height for a guy I think will be able to guard 1-3 in the NBA. He has a PG's speed and agility in a SG/small wing body.
He also has a great frame, and I think that he could and should put on some real strenght. He is a late bloomer IMO and the game will get easier for him once he gets stronger(especially his core strenght).(I saw this when he was driving to the basket, he was kind of avoiding the contact, I would say a big reason for that is his weak/er core. Guys like Okoro for, example, use that strenght when they play defense against college competition, but it won't be that "easy" against grown men in the NBA) But again, I think he has a great frame, and should easily put some muscle/get stronger there. He probably won't be Kawhi/Luka/Harden strong, but he'll be just fine. And the thing I like most about his defense is the motor/effort. He said that he LOVES to play defense. And thats what I would love for the Mavs to get. We all want a dog, so let's get a puppy! Big Grin Big Grin
When it comes to his team defense, I think he'll be just fine there. Listening to the interview with Mike Schmitz, he understands the strenghts of his teammates and the concepts. He'll be just fine there. Oh and BTW, comparing his advanced stats to other 1st round prospects(who are good/great defenders) DWS and DBPM
Josh Green(DWS= 1.9; DBPM= 4.1)
Devin Vassell(DWS = 1.7; DBPM= 4.2)
Isaac Okoro(DWS= 1.1; DBPM= 2.5)
Patrick Williams(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 3.2)
Saddiq Bey(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 1.9)
Robert Woodard(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 1.9)
Desmond Bane(DWS= 1.9, DBPM= 2.6)
source: sport-refference.com

I like his shot and I think that he's going to be a good shooter(AT LEAST a 19/20 season Dodo like shooter). He also has a nice touch on his floater, and once he gets stronger it'll be easier for him to drive to the basket. He also isn't a black hole on offense and he can share the ball, make the extra pass and so on... He was top20 in PAC12 in AST%(and he had the lowest USG%). He would also be nice for the transition game, since the Mavs vere 23rd in points scored in tranisition if I'm not wrong.

So all in all I am really high on him. If everything clicks for him, I see him as an elite defender(all defensive teams), while being what we all wish THJ would be on offense, and that's a great pickup at #18.

PS - Here you have his interview with Mike Schmitz, I realy like what I hear from him.

Watch on YouTube

;t=1034s

[JJP]

Haliburton probably going #6 at the earliest and Vassell is top 10. I don't possibly see how we can trade for a top 10 pick or even higher to take Haliburton. I do agree Haliburton would be perfect for us.

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I agree, but I'm not sure I understand why the Mavs keep interviewing picks that are in the 8-15 range if they're not going to pick there. In a typical year, I wouldn't think much of it. But in this shortened season, I understand the interviews will be more limited and teams won't have the option of interviews with 20-30 picks. So why are the Mavs interviewing Haliburton and Nesmith?

And JuanC, your instincts on those draft picks are fine. Lots of other Mavs fans love those picks.

[gottamakeit]

So let me add my 2 cents on this years draft. I am from Europe(Slovenia), so I haven't really watched NCAA games, but my "scouting" comes from games I've been able to found on YT, and games highlights.

My favourite prospect in this years draft is Tyrese Haliburton. I just love how he plays at his own pace. It is an important thing to watch for all the prospects who are projected to be the best player on a team. I love his frame and athleticism. He is more of a finesse player, but when he gets some muscle it's going to be easier for him IMO. I also think that he is going to be a good/great defender in the NBA. I think he'll be a good/great shooter, even if his mechanics are a bit off.
I think he will be a top3 player in this draft when it's all said and done. My comp for him would be an even better Malcolm Brogdon, wich is a great player. If the Mavs somehow trade up and get him(since he was working out for them) I think he would be a drem fit for this team. But the chances of getting him are slim...

Now the guy for me, if the Mavs keep the #18, is Josh Green. I know that he is not the most popular pick here, but let me explain you why I think he'd be great for the Mavs.
Let me first say that I realy like his athleticism. He is a very agile and fluid athlete, I would say that he is elite in those areas. He's explosive, great at decelerating and at switching directions. That's what I think is very importatnt for a good defender, to bo able to quickly adjust to the offensive player you are guarding(specially 1on1 D). He also has nice height for a guy I think will be able to guard 1-3 in the NBA. He has a PG's speed and agility in a SG/small wing body.
He also has a great frame, and I think that he could and should put on some real strenght. He is a late bloomer IMO and the game will get easier for him once he gets stronger(especially his core strenght).(I saw this when he was driving to the basket, he was kind of avoiding the contact, I would say a big reason for that is his weak/er core. Guys like Okoro for, example, use that strenght when they play defense against college competition, but it won't be that "easy" against grown men in the NBA) But again, I think he has a great frame, and should easily put some muscle/get stronger there. He probably won't be Kawhi/Luka/Harden strong, but he'll be just fine. And the thing I like most about his defense is the motor/effort. He said that he LOVES to play defense. And thats what I would love for the Mavs to get. We all want a dog, so let's get a puppy! Big Grin Big Grin
When it comes to his team defense, I think he'll be just fine there. Listening to the interview with Mike Schmitz, he understands the strenghts of his teammates and the concepts. He'll be just fine there. Oh and BTW, comparing his advanced stats to other 1st round prospects(who are good/great defenders) DWS and DBPM
Josh Green(DWS= 1.9; DBPM= 4.1)
Devin Vassell(DWS = 1.7; DBPM= 4.2)
Isaac Okoro(DWS= 1.1; DBPM= 2.5)
Patrick Williams(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 3.2)
Saddiq Bey(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 1.9)
Robert Woodard(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 1.9)
Desmond Bane(DWS= 1.9, DBPM= 2.6)
source: sport-refference.com

I like his shot and I think that he's going to be a good shooter(AT LEAST a 19/20 season Dodo like shooter). He also has a nice touch on his floater, and once he gets stronger it'll be easier for him to drive to the basket. He also isn't a black hole on offense and he can share the ball, make the extra pass and so on... He was top20 in PAC12 in AST%(and he had the lowest USG%). He would also be nice for the transition game, since the Mavs vere 23rd in points scored in tranisition if I'm not wrong.

So all in all I am really high on him. If everything clicks for him, I see him as an elite defender(all defensive teams), while being what we all wish THJ would be on offense, and that's a great pickup at #18.

PS - Here you have his interview with Mike Schmitz, I realy like what I hear from him.

Watch on YouTube

;t=1034s

great post! i also like Josh Green with the 18th if Sadddiq Bey is already off the board.

[jpengland]

I definitely get the feeling we are trying to move up for Halliburton. Tall, long, smart, versatile. He's a Carlisle dream and a great fit with Doncic.

[Teffer10]

I definitely get the feeling we are trying to move up for Halliburton. Tall, long, smart, versatile. He's a Carlisle dream and a great fit with Doncic.

If Mavs can trade up to 12 they are almost certain to have Halliburton, S. Bey, Vassell or Nesmith as an option which would make packaging 18 and 31 all worth it.
The Mavs do not have many open spots on the roster so trading quantity for quality would be a smart move imo.

[JJP]

If Mavs can trade up to 12 they are almost certain to have Halliburton, S. Bey, Vassell or Nesmith as an option which would make packaging 18 and 31 all worth it.

While I love Haliburton, you can't move up 10 spots just by packaging #18 and #31. To do that there would need to be a bigger trade involved and probably multiple players. But hey, I'm all for it (I think).

[KJStark23]

Watch on YouTube

[JJP]

Dallas Mavericks: Josh Green, Arizona, G (Twitter link via Marc Stein of The New York Tim

[aggerrard]

Decent! Still some interesting names left for the 31st pick.

[dirkforpres]

Can’t even begin to describe how much I hate this pick. Can’t believe the Mavs passed on Bey or that Donnie couldn’t flip this pick into someone that could help us win now