2020 Offseason Strategy Thread

[arkuo]

Cuban put Dirk's career on the line and gambled on Dwight Howard and didnt pay off. Signing one year deals every year for God knows when.

I'd imagine he can do the same to Luka up until he gets his shot with Giannis. You'd have to imagine that DIrk has more influence in the front office then and Cuban was still able to gamble on that. Luka is a teenager compared to Dirk then. Dirk had more clout and we know how it played out. You have to think in the lines of a dot com billionaire like Cuban. Shark tank and everything, he likes to take risks.

Giannis is the 1 guy I would wait for in FA. After 2021 though I’m trying to acquire talent anyway possible and I’m not really concerned with who’s coming up for free agency after that.


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Giannis will be worth the risk more than Dwight Howard. I believe it will come down to Miami, Dallas and of course. Milwaukee.

[SOUNDCHASER]

With KP and Luka we are set to dominate the whole league as soon as a third star comes here.

If Giannis wants to get rings he has to come here, if not he is finishing second to whoever else is smart enough to partner with us.

The key to making that choice is building the team so that the team is designed with him in mind.

We attempted to get Kostas into the league and that shows you Cuban is thinking in that direction so look at what Giannis is doing and see who can be a good fit around the trio of stars we want to have.

Sadiq Bey at 6'8 is a great option in the draft that can play the wing and hit 3's on day one as he defends multiple positions.

If he comes in and shines in that capacity then that would be a huge win in getting Giannis to consider Dallas as his destination. He could play the 2 and or 3 and do more of the dirty work while shooting 3's at a great clip. Luka needs to improve some this next season and he needs to draw fouls a lot more like all stars do.

I could see Giannis used as a SF with KP at PF so I expect the Mavs to target a shooter with size at SG/SF like Sadiq and a center that has upside at 31.

It looks like there are plenty of dirty work capable centers to draft this year. Get one that can shoot or bang and we have our core set for Giannis to fit in with.

WCS is ok as a dirty work center but I think we need to add a bit more scoring punch and FT shooting from the 5 if we move KP to the 4 which is the plan since he has had knee surgery.

Giannis is the perfect PF replacement if KP goes down and with a SG that can play SF like Sadiq to scoot over to the 3 we would be able to compete still.

Our team that has to be designed so it is ready to play and win even if KP is hurt in the playoffs again.

[JJP]

The most likely scenario is:

1. The Bucks will offer the max extension soon, and Giannis will say no (there are several reasons for him to say no, and it's widely accepted that he will say no.)
2. The Bucks will have some roster turnover, but will do everything they can to put a championship on the table for 2021. They will need a championship to keep him. Another playoff run won't do it.
3. If there's no championship, he will become a FA for sure. At that point, Milwaukee can still offer more money, but the door is open for other teams to convince him to jump ship. If Giannis is like a lot of players, he will be dissatisfied with Milwaukee's inability to get to the promised land. Will more money make that dissatisfaction go away? Hard to know. Giannis is going to be making a boatload of money for a long time so it's not like "I gotta feed my family" kind-of-thing. Most players do just what Durant did at OKC. You make sure you solidify your legacy when you're still in your prime. At some point, having good stats won't be enough. Would you rather by Dirk Nowitzki with one championship, or Karl Malone with no championships? Championships are hard to come by.

I would say if Milwaukee doesn't get a championship, the Mavs would be one of only three other teams who could make a play. So my guess is that the Mavs don't do anything that upsets their cap space for next year. Really, the Mavs chances of seeing Giannis in free agency next season are pretty good. They only have three other competing teams, and we have Luca, KP and a respected coach who knows how to work with international players. You don't want kill that opportunity by signing a B player to a long-term contract just to get through the first or second round of the playoffs - and still lose in the Western Conference finals because you're not better than the Clippers or the Lakers.

[SOUNDCHASER]

The most likely scenario is:

1. The Bucks will offer the max extension soon, and Giannis will say no (there are several reasons for him to say no, and it's widely accepted that he will say no.)
2. The Bucks will have some roster turnover, but will do everything they can to put a championship on the table for 2021. They will need a championship to keep him. Another playoff run won't do it.
3. If there's no championship, he will become a FA for sure. At that point, Milwaukee can still offer more money, but the door is open for other teams to convince him to jump ship. If Giannis is like a lot of players, he will be dissatisfied with Milwaukee's inability to get to the promised land. Will more money make that dissatisfaction go away? Hard to know. Giannis is going to be making a boatload of money for a long time so it's not like "I gotta feed my family" kind-of-thing. Most players do just what Durant did at OKC. You make sure you solidify your legacy when you're still in your prime. At some point, having good stats won't be enough. Would you rather by Dirk Nowitzki with one championship, or Karl Malone with no championships? Championships are hard to come by.

I would say if Milwaukee doesn't get a championship, the Mavs would be one of only three other teams who could make a play. So my guess is that the Mavs don't do anything that upsets their cap space for next year. Really, the Mavs chances of seeing Giannis in free agency next season are pretty good. They only have three other competing teams, and we have Luca, KP and a respected coach who knows how to work with international players. You don't want kill that opportunity by signing a B player to a long-term contract just to get through the first or second round of the playoffs - and still lose in the Western Conference finals because you're not better than the Clippers or the Lakers.

I love our chances at getting him as well and normally I would not even consider that because I mean nobody like him is something we have ever stood a chance at signing but with 2 stars and a solid off season were we make some good moves I bet we move up into the second round of the play offs and that definitely makes us top among destinations he will consider. This is why it is important to make a great move this offseason and you want to leave space for him to see us adding more talent so that we are not trapped after paying him so we cannot go crazy spending money this year and that is why I say focus on the draft and getting a wing and a 5 in the draft, because if we get lucky doing that then we are going to look like basketball geniuses to him and he will start to trust what kind of a team we can create based on the results of our drafting. Then if we can get some nice signings with one year contracts or make some trades for some expiring contracts to enhance our options the path to signing Giannis is going to be pretty nice.

[swaggerbox]

dont get ur hopes up. the buzz around the league and inner circles is that Giannis is interested, if he leaves the Bucks, only in Miami, Toronto, LA teams. No mention of Dallas. Probably he will change his mind if we can show him we are title contenders this coming season, that's why the Mavs are desperate this season to "land a third star", "trade into lottery"' and "take on bigger salaries". Mavs are said to be very aggresive but simply dont have enough assets, other than 18+31, to entice teams.

[JD45]

dont get ur hopes up. the buzz around the league and inner circles is that Giannis is interested, if he leaves the Bucks, only in Miami, Toronto, LA teams. No mention of Dallas. Probably he will change his mind if we can show him we are title contenders this coming season, that's why the Mavs are desperate this season to "land a third star", "trade into lottery"' and "take on bigger salaries". Mavs are said to be very aggresive but simply dont have enough assets, other than 18+31, to entice teams.

I have yet to see reports of Giannis' intentions that were anything more than speculation. Nothing seems to be sourced to him or anyone close to him. Dallas has never been a premier free agent destination, but they can offer the best "SuperTeam" setup. So there is a chance Giannis goes to the Mavs, but still less than 50/50.

Its hard to read the Mavs intentions. They do not seem to have been clever about their salaries and free agents. So, they could try to maintain cap space or they could sign players with the expectations they can create space if Giannis wants to come to Dallas next year. Or they could just do whatever random, impulsive thing comes to their mind.

[JJP]

dont get ur hopes up. the buzz around the league and inner circles is that Giannis is interested, if he leaves the Bucks, only in Miami, Toronto, LA teams. No mention of Dallas. Probably he will change his mind if we can show him we are title contenders this coming season, that's why the Mavs are desperate this season to "land a third star", "trade into lottery"' and "take on bigger salaries". Mavs are said to be very aggresive but simply dont have enough assets, other than 18+31, to entice teams.

I have yet to see reports of Giannis' intentions that were anything more than speculation. Nothing seems to be sourced to him or anyone close to him. Dallas has never been a premier free agent destination, but they can offer the best "SuperTeam" setup. So there is a chance Giannis goes to the Mavs, but still less than 50/50.

Its hard to read the Mavs intentions. They do not seem to have been clever about their salaries and free agents. So, they could try to maintain cap space or they could sign players with the expectations they can create space if Giannis wants to come to Dallas next year. Or they could just do whatever random, impulsive thing comes to their mind.

I think this is right, and I should point out that EVERY team's chances are less than 50-50 statistically speaking. Not even Milwaukee since we have to bet they would win the championship to secure him.

And as you point out, the Mavs are one of the best teams at keeping their intentions to themselves.

[BlueSan]

Giannis isnt the type of man to join forces to dominate. He is the type to carve his own path.... ou guys know this right?

[arkuo]

Who wants in on Gordon Hayward? Reportedly wants out of Boston.

THJ + Powell + Jackson does it.

Hayward is an even bigger expiring contract than THJ. Clears everything for a max contact slot and then some for 2021. But for 2020 you get a 3rd star of sorts. That's a win in my book.

[JD45]

Who wants in on Gordon Hayward? Reportedly wants out of Boston.

THJ + Powell + Jackson does it.

Hayward is an even bigger expiring contract than THJ. Clears everything for a max contact slot and then some for 2021. But for 2020 you get a 3rd star of sorts. That's a win in my book.

That would be a great deal for the Mavs, but I doubt Boston does it. Going to have to add some value.

[Mr B]

The most likely scenario is:

1. The Bucks will offer the max extension soon, and Giannis will say no (there are several reasons for him to say no, and it's widely accepted that he will say no.)
2. The Bucks will have some roster turnover, but will do everything they can to put a championship on the table for 2021. They will need a championship to keep him. Another playoff run won't do it.
3. If there's no championship, he will become a FA for sure. At that point, Milwaukee can still offer more money, but the door is open for other teams to convince him to jump ship. If Giannis is like a lot of players, he will be dissatisfied with Milwaukee's inability to get to the promised land. Will more money make that dissatisfaction go away? Hard to know. Giannis is going to be making a boatload of money for a long time so it's not like "I gotta feed my family" kind-of-thing. Most players do just what Durant did at OKC. You make sure you solidify your legacy when you're still in your prime. At some point, having good stats won't be enough. Would you rather by Dirk Nowitzki with one championship, or Karl Malone with no championships? Championships are hard to come by.

I would say if Milwaukee doesn't get a championship, the Mavs would be one of only three other teams who could make a play. So my guess is that the Mavs don't do anything that upsets their cap space for next year. Really, the Mavs chances of seeing Giannis in free agency next season are pretty good. They only have three other competing teams, and we have Luca, KP and a respected coach who knows how to work with international players. You don't want kill that opportunity by signing a B player to a long-term contract just to get through the first or second round of the playoffs - and still lose in the Western Conference finals because you're not better than the Clippers or the Lakers.

Just a question but why do people still write his name as Luca when it’s actually spelled Luka? I think he’s well known enough to spell the man’s name right. Just curious.


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[arkuo]

Who wants in on Gordon Hayward? Reportedly wants out of Boston.

THJ + Powell + Jackson does it.

Hayward is an even bigger expiring contract than THJ. Clears everything for a max contact slot and then some for 2021. But for 2020 you get a 3rd star of sorts. That's a win in my book.

That would be a great deal for the Mavs, but I doubt Boston does it. Going to have to add some value.

Dalllas can swing that same deal towards Philly. Philly gets a shooter they need in THJ. They swing Horford back to Boston. Boston gets a big man they need and familiar with Brad Stevens. Morey and the Sixers can a shooter in THJ and rids themselves off Horford. Dallas gets a pseudo 3rd star.

[HMFFL]

Several rival executives have pitched the Mavs as a trade destination for Rudy Gobert, who is eligible for a supermax. I get the thinking — a rim-running center to stabilize Dallas’ shaky defense — but I can’t get there. Devoting $65 million combined to Gobert and Porzingis when the latter needs to play a good chunk at center is not optimal.

 

– via Zach Lowe @ ESPN


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30221719/giannis-antetokounmpo-future-all-star-trades-nba-draft-everything-else-watch-offseason


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[Mr B]

Several rival executives have pitched the Mavs as a trade destination for Rudy Gobert, who is eligible for a supermax. I get the thinking — a rim-running center to stabilize Dallas’ shaky defense — but I can’t get there. Devoting $65 million combined to Gobert and Porzingis when the latter needs to play a good chunk at center is not optimal.

 

– via Zach Lowe @ ESPN


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30221719/giannis-antetokounmpo-future-all-star-trades-nba-draft-everything-else-watch-offseason


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You might be thinking too short term. Also Gobert and KP are too talented for Carlisle not to find a way to make it work. Let’s say worst case scenario happens and KP all of a sudden sucks or continues to get injured then you’ll be able to move on from him (once his contract is up in 3 years) and still have a dominant defensive big.


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[JJP]

You might be thinking too short term. Also Gobert and KP are too talented for Carlisle not to find a way to make it work. Let’s say worst case scenario happens and KP all of a sudden sucks or continues to get injured then you’ll be able to move on from him (once his contract is up in 3 years) and still have a dominant defensive big.


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While I'm not really a fan of the trade all that much, I'm convinced, as you are, that the Mavs could make that work. His overall metrics would change the defense of the entire team. Especially when both KP and Gorbet are in the lineup at the same time. Opposing teams would largely have to rely entirely on their perimeter game.

[JJP]

You might be thinking too short term. Also Gobert and KP are too talented for Carlisle not to find a way to make it work. Let’s say worst case scenario happens and KP all of a sudden sucks or continues to get injured then you’ll be able to move on from him (once his contract is up in 3 years) and still have a dominant defensive big.


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While I'm not really a fan of the trade all that much, I'm convinced, as you are, that the Mavs could make that work. His overall metrics would change the defense of the entire team. Especially when both KP and Gorbet are in the lineup at the same time. Opposing teams would largely have to rely entirely on their perimeter game.

[HMFFL]

Several rival executives have pitched the Mavs as a trade destination for Rudy Gobert, who is eligible for a supermax. I get the thinking — a rim-running center to stabilize Dallas’ shaky defense — but I can’t get there. Devoting $65 million combined to Gobert and Porzingis when the latter needs to play a good chunk at center is not optimal.

 

– via Zach Lowe @ ESPN


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30221719/giannis-antetokounmpo-future-all-star-trades-nba-draft-everything-else-watch-offseason


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You might be thinking too short term. Also Gobert and KP are too talented for Carlisle not to find a way to make it work. Let’s say worst case scenario happens and KP all of a sudden sucks or continues to get injured then you’ll be able to move on from him (once his contract is up in 3 years) and still have a dominant defensive big.


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I believe it works perfectly but i doubt we pull off a trade.

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[BlueSan]

No to Gobert...

[Teffer10]

Several rival executives have pitched the Mavs as a trade destination for Rudy Gobert, who is eligible for a supermax. I get the thinking — a rim-running center to stabilize Dallas’ shaky defense — but I can’t get there. Devoting $65 million combined to Gobert and Porzingis when the latter needs to play a good chunk at center is not optimal.

 

– via Zach Lowe @ ESPN


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30221719/giannis-antetokounmpo-future-all-star-trades-nba-draft-everything-else-watch-offseason


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You might be thinking too short term. Also Gobert and KP are too talented for Carlisle not to find a way to make it work. Let’s say worst case scenario happens and KP all of a sudden sucks or continues to get injured then you’ll be able to move on from him (once his contract is up in 3 years) and still have a dominant defensive big.


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If Mavs want an eventual replacement for KP they should draft Poku.

I don't see the Mavs maxing out another big unless that big is named Giannis. Wings are an integral part of today's NBA and we'd be filling those roles with vet min players like MKG. Not a recipe for winning championships imo...especially in Carlisle's system.

I think Mavs are looking at guys like Beal and Holiday.

I still think the Mavs should look at trading with Philly for Richardson with Seth as the main piece in the trade. Both teams have multiple decent draft picks that could be used to even the deal one way or another.

[arkuo]

SI.com has Dallas taking Gobert if Giannis signs an extension with Milwaukee.

Interesting angle. Carlisle is too good a coach for him not to think of creative ways to make it work. Also, getting Gobert signals that KP will take a more active role in the offense. Scoring off lobs and extending the 3 point range. Which I agree. You're paying him the max to score more and get buckets. Make it worthwhile.