Mavs 2016 Offseason Discussion

[aussiewill]

Not sure if its been noted elsewhere at all, but Hammons was signed, but no details if its guaranteed or not.

[Darren]

Not sure if its been noted elsewhere at all, but Hammons was signed, but no details if its guaranteed or not.

You can find them on official site. It's a 3 year deal. Not much details, though.

[Mr B]

I think it's a real test to Rick Carlisie early.

1.Lacks of effective drive-and-dish threat on the floor. Ideally, we need at least 2 in the starting lineup. But we only have 0.7 in Deron Williams. Matthews can't do it at all. Barnes has yet to learn this role. And we can't expect either Dirk or Bogut to do it. Though Bogut has some PG skills, he's not playing that way. Therefore, we still can't create space for shooters. It's more like we need the shooters to create spacing instead. I am not surprised we play some iso-postup early. We have quite a few post-up threat. Not a dominant one requiring double team, though. Spacing will not be too good due to lacking penetrator.

2.Lacks of proven big body when Bogut goes down. Bogut has missed a lot of game recent years. And indeed, he's some injury but does not require surgery. With him out, we have to go to battle with Powell, Mejri and Hammons. All of them have some weaknesses. Neither of them have a complete game yet. That's really a test for Carlisie to develop young centers early. Unless we sign miracle worker, Larry Saunders, in veteran minimum, we're pretty short handed with Bogut goes down.

If we can overcome this two problems, I can see us being as good as the top 4 team in the West.

Drive and kick is what JJ does best. I do agree they need another PG like that though.

I would love to add Larry Sanders but I doubt they would keep 4 centers.

[Darren]

I think it's a real test to Rick Carlisie early.

1.Lacks of effective drive-and-dish threat on the floor. Ideally, we need at least 2 in the starting lineup. But we only have 0.7 in Deron Williams. Matthews can't do it at all. Barnes has yet to learn this role. And we can't expect either Dirk or Bogut to do it. Though Bogut has some PG skills, he's not playing that way. Therefore, we still can't create space for shooters. It's more like we need the shooters to create spacing instead. I am not surprised we play some iso-postup early. We have quite a few post-up threat. Not a dominant one requiring double team, though. Spacing will not be too good due to lacking penetrator.

2.Lacks of proven big body when Bogut goes down. Bogut has missed a lot of game recent years. And indeed, he's some injury but does not require surgery. With him out, we have to go to battle with Powell, Mejri and Hammons. All of them have some weaknesses. Neither of them have a complete game yet. That's really a test for Carlisie to develop young centers early. Unless we sign miracle worker, Larry Saunders, in veteran minimum, we're pretty short handed with Bogut goes down.

If we can overcome this two problems, I can see us being as good as the top 4 team in the West.

Drive and kick is what JJ does best. I do agree they need another PG like that though.

I would love to add Larry Sanders but I doubt they would keep 4 centers.

If Hammons plays like game 1 on regular basis, we would better search for another rotation big. Cory Jefferson is probably available. His offensive game is limited. However, he can block and rebound. He's young.

[Hadley]

Dirk seems pretty pissed about the Offseason. Never heard him talk about it like that.

[Mr B]

Dirk seems pretty pissed about the Offseason. Never heard him talk about it like that.

I haven't heard what he said.

[Mr B]

I think it's a real test to Rick Carlisie early.

1.Lacks of effective drive-and-dish threat on the floor. Ideally, we need at least 2 in the starting lineup. But we only have 0.7 in Deron Williams. Matthews can't do it at all. Barnes has yet to learn this role. And we can't expect either Dirk or Bogut to do it. Though Bogut has some PG skills, he's not playing that way. Therefore, we still can't create space for shooters. It's more like we need the shooters to create spacing instead. I am not surprised we play some iso-postup early. We have quite a few post-up threat. Not a dominant one requiring double team, though. Spacing will not be too good due to lacking penetrator.

2.Lacks of proven big body when Bogut goes down. Bogut has missed a lot of game recent years. And indeed, he's some injury but does not require surgery. With him out, we have to go to battle with Powell, Mejri and Hammons. All of them have some weaknesses. Neither of them have a complete game yet. That's really a test for Carlisie to develop young centers early. Unless we sign miracle worker, Larry Saunders, in veteran minimum, we're pretty short handed with Bogut goes down.

If we can overcome this two problems, I can see us being as good as the top 4 team in the West.

Drive and kick is what JJ does best. I do agree they need another PG like that though.

I would love to add Larry Sanders but I doubt they would keep 4 centers.

If Hammons plays like game 1 on regular basis, we would better search for another rotation big. Cory Jefferson is probably available. His offensive game is limited. However, he can block and rebound. He's young.

I think Hammonds is going to be given every chance to succeed or fail. Especially considering he was Finley's first pick in his new role. Didn't try already give him a 3 year deal? He's not going anywhere anytime soon regardless of how he plays this year.

[Darren]

Dirk seems pretty pissed about the Offseason. Never heard him talk about it like that.

I haven't heard what he said.

Me, too. I am interested in how Dirk feels about this offseason and coming season. I don't know how much he wants to play alongside Bogut and Harrison Barnes. But I do think he dislikes playing alongside Dwight Howard and Chandler Parsons. I don't see a reason why he's pissed off at all unless you count KD to GSW's move.

[Dirk]

Dirk seems pretty pissed about the Offseason. Never heard him talk about it like that.

I haven't heard what he said.

Me, too. I am interested in how Dirk feels about this offseason and coming season. I don't know how much he wants to play alongside Bogut and Harrison Barnes. But I do think he dislikes playing alongside Dwight Howard and Chandler Parsons. I don't see a reason why he's pissed off at all unless you count KD to GSW's move.

Didn't really say much: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1461832&p=48621946#p48621946

But I'm curious to see how the guys in the local media will treat this, considering the title of the German article is Dirk criticizes Cuban/Carlisle, which is misleading.

[Darren]

Oh, JO, Saunders and cap Jack all want to come out of retirement to join GSW.

[Darren]

Under my calculation, we drop in nearly all statistical categories after the offseason:
2016/2017: 93.05 PPG, 42.07 RPG, 20.51 APG, 5.72 SPG, 6.23 BPG, 10.86 TO, PF 20.23
2015/2016: 102.3 PPG, 43.10 RPG, 22.10 APG, 6.83 SPG, 3.73 BPG, 12.77 TO, PF 19.40

Harrison Barnes is the huge X-factor to our fortune. We are only better in shot-blocking and turnover. But we drop tremendously on offensively end. Quite understandably, the lack of playmaking will only make the situation worse. Although there's good collection of reputation shooter, our actual shooting percentage will drop tremendously. Another serious problem is on Andrew Bogut. Besides injury issue, his 48% free throw percentage may take him out of the game for considerable time. We'll have to pick the poison under those situation. We still don't have any quality backup C. That's a real concern right now.

We need a highway learn curve to Harrison Barnes, Justin Anderson, Seth Curry, Dwight Powell and AJ Hammons to even make the playoff. I expect us to sign an insurance C (with solid defense and adequate free throw percentage) and look for playmakers in trade.

I think we should take a look at Kevin Seraphin and Lance Stephenson. I don't want to rest all our fortunes on those young players. I want them to learn at their own pace. Both Seraphin and Stephenson are 26. I think they won't hurt our plan to become younger.

[bobsquad]

Under my calculation, we drop in nearly all statistical categories after the offseason:
2016/2017: 93.05 PPG, 42.07 RPG, 20.51 APG, 5.72 SPG, 6.23 BPG, 10.86 TO, PF 20.23
2015/2016: 102.3 PPG, 43.10 RPG, 22.10 APG, 6.83 SPG, 3.73 BPG, 12.77 TO, PF 19.40

Harrison Barnes is the huge X-factor to our fortune. We are only better in shot-blocking and turnover. But we drop tremendously on offensively end. Quite understandably, the lack of playmaking will only make the situation worse. Although there's good collection of reputation shooter, our actual shooting percentage will drop tremendously. Another serious problem is on Andrew Bogut. Besides injury issue, his 48% free throw percentage may take him out of the game for considerable time. We'll have to pick the poison under those situation. We still don't have any quality backup C. That's a real concern right now.

We need a highway learn curve to Harrison Barnes, Justin Anderson, Seth Curry and AJ Hammons to even make the playoff. I expect us to sign an insurance C (with solid defense and adequate free throw percentage) and look for playmakers in trade.

I think we should take a look at Kevin Seraphin and Lance Stephenson. I don't want to rest all our fortunes on those young players. I want them to learn at their own pace. Both Seraphin and Stephenson are 26. I think they won't hurt our plan to become younger.

How did you reach this calculation? I think you need to tweak your formula, those are unrealistic numbers.

[Darren]

I just put the players' per 36 minutes number together. And then allocate specific playing time for each and add them together. Major problem is on Harrison Barnes. His scoring, stealing and blocking average are all very low per 36 min.

An hidden problem is poor free throw shooting from our bigs. Both Bogut (48%) and Mejri (58.7%) are poor free throw shooters. We can only play Dirk, Powell or Hammons at 5 if teams start to hack Bogut and Mejri. Among those 3s, only Hammons is a shot-blocker. However, from his summer league games, I don't think he makes his presence felt especially against quicker bigs. We'll force to play Dirk or Powell in this case.

I think Rick Carlisie is quite realistic. He claims us a 6-8 seed teams and starts working with Barnes immediately. We're in serious troubles if our young players do not grow up on time. I hope we do sign Seraphin and Stephenson. Seraphin can provide a presence without troubles making free throw. And Stephenson can provide some playmaking and defense if Barnes, Anderson and Curry fail to meet the expectation on time.

[Darren]

As for playmakers, Larkin and Sloan are still available. Both averages 11 PPG, 7 APG per 36 mins. Larkin has 2 SPG as well. Any interest in either of them?

[Darren]

Shane Larkin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUB4JTFtpd4

[daoneandonly]

As for playmakers, Larkin and Sloan are still available. Both averages 11 PPG, 7 APG per 36 mins. Larkin has 2 SPG as well. Any interest in either of them?

I only want Larkin if we unload Barea, we don't need two shorty bee-bops on the floor (though I'm shorter than both so no room to talk).

[fuller4379]

As for playmakers, Larkin and Sloan are still available. Both averages 11 PPG, 7 APG per 36 mins. Larkin has 2 SPG as well. Any interest in either of them?

I only want Larkin if we unload Barea, we don't need two shorty bee-bops on the floor (though I'm shorter than both so no room to talk).

What? You don't want Carlisle to put Curry, Larkin, Harris, Barea, and Williams on the court at the same time?

[jpengland]

I will keep banging on about this but we should really, really sign David Stockton. He'd look great in a Carlisle team. He's snipey, a pesky defender, can shoot the 3 and run a pick n roll brilliantly. He's team first and runs an offense beautifully.

The time has come to move on from Devin Harris IMO, shift him for a big.

Williams/Barea/Stockton
Matthews/Curry/Blue
Barnes/Anderson/Brussino
Dirk/Powell/Honeycutt
Bogut/New big/Mejri


Send Hammons to the D-League.

I like the look of that roster quite a lot.

[Darren]

I have never watched David Stockton's game. His number is interesting, though. Nearly 10 PPG, 10 APG, 2 SPG per 36 mins. I wonder if those number means much. From the hightlights, he's not explosive but rather unathletic. At 5-11, I wonder if he can really survive on nba floor. And his game is identical to Seth Curry. Seemingly, he can't hit shots in the paint.

I would rather go for players that can guard some positions, e.g. Lance Stephenson / Vince Carter (for Harris straight up). At minimum, I won't blame him as occassional headcase. He can replace Harris at backup 2 role with his PG skills and ability to play defense. Not sure if he takes vet min, though. His number was solid. I am all for Harris for a 2nd to open up spots to young players. I am also fine for Harris-McLemore deal without parting with any meaningful pick.

C - Andrew Bogut / Salah Mejri / Kevin Seraphin
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Anderson
SG - Wes Matthews / Lance Stephenson
PG - Deron Williams / Jose Barea / Seth Curry

NBDL: AJ Hammons, Tyler Honeycutt, Vander Blue

[Mr B]

As for playmakers, Larkin and Sloan are still available. Both averages 11 PPG, 7 APG per 36 mins. Larkin has 2 SPG as well. Any interest in either of them?

Considering their interest in Roddy I wonder they haven't shown any interest in Larkin. Wasn't Carlisle the guy that pushed to draft him?