2020 Offseason Strategy Thread

[Teffer10]

SI.com has Dallas taking Gobert if Giannis signs an extension with Milwaukee.

Interesting angle. Carlisle is too good a coach for him not to think of creative ways to make it work. Also, getting Gobert signals that KP will take a more active role in the offense. Scoring off lobs and extending the 3 point range. Which I agree. You're paying him the max to score more and get buckets. Make it worthwhile.

Just don't see the Mavs using over 60mil of cap space on 3 centers.

[arkuo]

SI.com has Dallas taking Gobert if Giannis signs an extension with Milwaukee.

Interesting angle. Carlisle is too good a coach for him not to think of creative ways to make it work. Also, getting Gobert signals that KP will take a more active role in the offense. Scoring off lobs and extending the 3 point range. Which I agree. You're paying him the max to score more and get buckets. Make it worthwhile.

Just don't see the Mavs using over 60mil of cap space on 3 centers.

Getting Gobert means 3 things:

1. 2021 capspace still preserved. Gobert is a 2021 FA.
2. Mavs probably figured KP wont last a decade in the league with injuries or is not expected to play 82 games every year.
3. Gobert plays the Dwight Powel role with more defense. KP being paid the max is expected to shoulder more offensive load.

Personally I'd rather have KP play like Dirk, in which he takes on more responsibility on offense like DIrk. Leave the defense to Gobert the way it was with Tyson. KP is paid the max, ideally you'd like him to perform like a max player and get buckets.

Now in what we can offer Utah for him, I'd say Powell + Kleber + Curry + 18. If Gobert indeed plans to bolt Utah, that is a decent return. And with Ingles getting up there in age and losing a step, Kleber to replace him wouldn't be so bad either. Not a lot of free agents would go live in Salt Lake City. They'd have to get stuff via trades, I'd imagine.

C- Gobert
PF- Porzingis
SF- Finney Smith
SG- Hardaway Jr.
PG- Doncic

Not the lineup I was hoping for, but if it happens, it ain't so bad either.

[JJP]

I doubt we go all out on Rudy. It just seems like too much, too soon. The Mavs have better ideas I'm guessing.

The current idea of the Mavs trying to move up in the lottery makes better sense to me. If you can get a Vassell or S. Bey in the lottery, you'll have them on a rookie scale salary besides making your cap better for 2021

[arkuo]

I doubt we go all out on Rudy. It just seems like too much, too soon. The Mavs have better ideas I'm guessing.

The current idea of the Mavs trying to move up in the lottery makes better sense to me. If you can get a Vassell or S. Bey in the lottery, you'll have them on a rookie scale salary besides making your cap better for 2021

Donnie said in an interview that they're known to be not patient and they're looking to win now.

A draft pick is 3 years away from being NBA ready. A late 1st rounder may be out of the league by then. I'm guessing they trade the draft pick along with a package that gets them a player who can contribute now. Cuban is a very impatient owner. Pass on the time and resources used to develop a draft pick, and swallow the cost of a player who can contribute today. that seems to be the M.O.

[dirkforpres]

I doubt we go all out on Rudy. It just seems like too much, too soon. The Mavs have better ideas I'm guessing.

The current idea of the Mavs trying to move up in the lottery makes better sense to me. If you can get a Vassell or S. Bey in the lottery, you'll have them on a rookie scale salary besides making your cap better for 2021

Depends on 3 things
-how confident in KP’s health they are
-what the cost of acquiring Rudy would be
-the likelihood of actually getting Giannis

I think it might be worth looking into simply because it doesn’t affect our 2021 cap at all to acquire him. Getting Rudy and then finding help at the wing (Galinari) would make a pretty lethal team for this next year

[JJP]

About the only way to get Gallinari that I can see is with a sign-and-trade. I don't see him taking the MLE for one year. It would take some real gymnastics to put Rudy on the roster while simultaneously going for cap space to sign Giannis next season, AND massaging the cap with a sign-and-trade.

It's all possible financially I think, but this scenario is a lot trickier when you include Rudy. Not saying it's impossible given the Mavs excitement at moving the needle, but I am saying this is an awkward road to go down this shortened off-season.

[HMFFL]

Several rival executives have pitched the Mavs as a trade destination for Rudy Gobert, who is eligible for a supermax. I get the thinking — a rim-running center to stabilize Dallas’ shaky defense — but I can’t get there. Devoting $65 million combined to Gobert and Porzingis when the latter needs to play a good chunk at center is not optimal.

 

– via Zach Lowe @ ESPN


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30221719/giannis-antetokounmpo-future-all-star-trades-nba-draft-everything-else-watch-offseason


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You might be thinking too short term. Also Gobert and KP are too talented for Carlisle not to find a way to make it work. Let’s say worst case scenario happens and KP all of a sudden sucks or continues to get injured then you’ll be able to move on from him (once his contract is up in 3 years) and still have a dominant defensive big.


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If Mavs want an eventual replacement for KP they should draft Poku.

I don't see the Mavs maxing out another big unless that big is named Giannis. Wings are an integral part of today's NBA and we'd be filling those roles with vet min players like MKG. Not a recipe for winning championships imo...especially in Carlisle's system.

I think Mavs are looking at guys like Beal and Holiday.

I still think the Mavs should look at trading with Philly for Richardson with Seth as the main piece in the trade. Both teams have multiple decent draft picks that could be used to even the deal one way or another.

I'm sure our front office would love to have Beal or Holiday. Let's even throw Aaron Gordon's name in there since he's been mentioned in the past and has a friendly contract compared to the other two guys.

Out of those three Gordon is the only possibility since we have very little value to move. I have no reason to believe we can acquire Beal since Washington have reported to turning down a top 5 pick.

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[Darren]

I doubt we go all out on Rudy. It just seems like too much, too soon. The Mavs have better ideas I'm guessing.

The current idea of the Mavs trying to move up in the lottery makes better sense to me. If you can get a Vassell or S. Bey in the lottery, you'll have them on a rookie scale salary besides making your cap better for 2021

I think so. I think it involves a little more teams:
e.g.
DAL gets: 2, Wiggins, Horford, Thybulle, 21, TE via Iggy trade
GSW gets: Gobert, DFS, Wright, Brunson
PHI gets: Curry, Powell, Hardaway, Boban
UTA gets: Kleber, Wright, 18, 31, 2023 Miami 2nd

C - Wiseman / Horford / Fall?
PF - Porzingis /Broekhoff?
SF - Thybulle / 21?
SG - Wiggins / 21? / Reaves?
PG - Doncic / Burke? / Barea?

GSW is interested in Gobert. GSW may unload Draymond for 2021 cap space. Getting DFS and Gobert in trade makes sense.
PHI is looking at shooter and want significant cap space to re-sign J-Rich. Curry and Hardaway makes sense.
UTA wants to build around Mitchell. Getting Kleber as short-term quick fix alongside with 2 firsts also makes sense.
DAL wants to build a young core. Getting Wiseman, Thybulle and somewhat Wiggins makes sense. While the Mavs getting long-term contract, the Mavs is able to somewhat neutralize the burden by unloading both Powell and Wright during the process. Getting 3D player or combo guard at 21 also make sense. If the tall lineup doesn't work out, the Mavs could also put Burke as starter and send Wiggins to score off bench.

[arkuo]

^ The whole idea is to surround Luka with shooters. Why do you want Wiggins and Thybulle flanking Luka? Those guys cant shoot. With that, Luka has to score 50 points just to squeeze out a 2 point win.

[Teffer10]

You might be thinking too short term. Also Gobert and KP are too talented for Carlisle not to find a way to make it work. Let’s say worst case scenario happens and KP all of a sudden sucks or continues to get injured then you’ll be able to move on from him (once his contract is up in 3 years) and still have a dominant defensive big.


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If Mavs want an eventual replacement for KP they should draft Poku.

I don't see the Mavs maxing out another big unless that big is named Giannis. Wings are an integral part of today's NBA and we'd be filling those roles with vet min players like MKG. Not a recipe for winning championships imo...especially in Carlisle's system.

I think Mavs are looking at guys like Beal and Holiday.

I still think the Mavs should look at trading with Philly for Richardson with Seth as the main piece in the trade. Both teams have multiple decent draft picks that could be used to even the deal one way or another.

I'm sure our front office would love to have Beal or Holiday. Let's even throw Aaron Gordon's name in there since he's been mentioned in the past and has a friendly contract compared to the other two guys.

Out of those three Gordon is the only possibility since we have very little value to move. I have no reason to believe we can acquire Beam since Washington have reported to turning down a top 5 pick.

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Completely agree but the Mavs FO always shoots for the stars.

Beal and Holiday are stars that fit dire areas of need on this team. If Donnie can't perform some type of miracle to get one of them they should look to 2nd or 3rd tier realistic wings like Gordon as you say or Josh Richardson instead of chasing cap breaking players that aren't great fits in our system.

I'd love to have Rudy on this team as much as anyone but it would come at a great cost and Carlisle would have to completely change the system to accommodate him.
Trying to win in the modern NBA with sub-par wings is simply not a very good strategy imo.

[HMFFL]

I really hope Serge doesn't go this route. I just can't sew him turning down millions to play for the Lakers when he already has a ring. @ 31 years old he has a few solid years left before turning into a MLE player.

I'd still like for us to pursue him this off-season.

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No matter what happens for the Lakers in the days after the upcoming NBA draft, when the league will begin its free-agency period, they will likely try to lure multiple veterans seeking to play for a contender to L.A., offering a chance at a championship but unable to offer a sizable payout as the team sits over the salary cap already. One target is Raptors big man Serge Ibaka, according to executives around the league.

 

– via Sean Deveney @ Heavy.com



https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lakers-free-agency-serge-ibaka/

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[Mr B]

I really hope Serge doesn't go this route. I just can't sew him turning down millions to play for the Lakers when he already has a ring. @ 31 years old he has a few solid years left before turning into a MLE player.

I'd still like for us to pursue him this off-season.

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No matter what happens for the Lakers in the days after the upcoming NBA draft, when the league will begin its free-agency period, they will likely try to lure multiple veterans seeking to play for a contender to L.A., offering a chance at a championship but unable to offer a sizable payout as the team sits over the salary cap already. One target is Raptors big man Serge Ibaka, according to executives around the league.

 

– via Sean Deveney @ Heavy.com



https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lakers-free-agency-serge-ibaka/

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The Mavs have apparently been in talks with Ibaka’s agent. Or they have at least made it known they are interested in Serge.


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[HMFFL]

Another guy on many of our list.


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Teams planning sign-and-trade offers for Davis Bertans

The Washington Wizards have made re-signing forward Davis Bertans their No. 1 offseason goal, but if they can’t pull it off, they may have another option instead of letting him go outright. Multiple teams without the cap room to sign Bertans are preparing to make sign-and-trade offers in free agency, NBC Sports Washington has learned. That is in addition to the teams that have the cap room to fit his salary without a trade.


 The teams were not specified, though one source said there are two Eastern Conference teams and one from the West who are interested in sign-and-trade scenarios involving Bertans. That is along with at least three teams – the Hawks, Knicks and Suns included – expected to target Bertans early in free agency using their cap room, as NBC Sports Washington previously reported. Though the teams looking at a sign-and-trade are not known, the dots could possibly be connected to those who were interested in Bertans before the trade deadline. That list included the Celtics, Lakers and Nuggets.

– via Chase Hughes @ NBC Sports

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[HMFFL]

5 sneaky moves Mavericks should consider during free agency

Could these signings make Dallas a title contender by giving them even more depth?

Derrick Favors

Langston Galloway

Paul Millsap

Torrey Craig

Meyers Leonard

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2020/11/9/21555446/nba-2020-free-agency-dallas-mavericks-sneaky-moves

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[dirkforpres]

5 sneaky moves Mavericks should consider during free agency

Could these signings make Dallas a title contender by giving them even more depth?

Derrick Favors

Langston Galloway

Paul Millsap

Torrey Craig

Meyers Leonard

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2020/11/9/21555446/nba-2020-free-agency-dallas-mavericks-sneaky-moves

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I can’t believe Favors is only 29. I feel like he’s been in the league for 15 years.

That would be a sneaky good addition though if he came fairly cheap and actually stayed healthy

[arkuo]

If Houston is planning to blow it up, I hope the Mavs are first in line for Robert Covington. He solves a lot of problems in a single acquisition. He's the perfect 3&D power forward when you have Luka running point.

[Captain_Obvious]

If Houston is planning to blow it up, I hope the Mavs are first in line for Robert Covington. He solves a lot of problems in a single acquisition. He's the perfect 3&D power forward when you have Luka running point.

I fear this actually saves the Rockets. I was hopeful they drop with Westbrook staying, new coach, no flexibility. Houston look scarier with no Westbrook IMO.

[HMFFL]

Could Mavs Net Oubre From 4-Way Chris Paul Trade?

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Could Mavs Net Oubre From 4-Way Chris Paul Trade?

 


DALLAS - A Phoenix Suns’ trade for Chris Paul trade of the Oklahoma City Thunder would seemingly require a facilitator or two, with the Dallas Mavericks being mentioned as a possible partner in what could be a four-way swap.

What could Dallas net in such a deal? The two prizes would seem to be Suns forward Kelly Oubre and Phoenix’ first-round pick, No. 10 overall.

The hurdle in any Paul trade is the 35-year-old’s $41 million contract in 2020-21. Dallas’ presence in the deal can help the other teams move salary ... and get a reward.

*Dallas has always liked Oubre, still just 24, and pursued the 6-7 standout when he was in Washington.

*Dallas, which already holds picks Nos. 18 and 31, is willing to trade in the draft ... but would find pick No. 10 appealing.

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/could-dallas-mavs-net-suns-kelly-oubre-from-4-way-chris-paul-trade

The link doesn't appear to be working.

[JJP]

The above piece was written by Mike Fisher. He has a bruising track record of bad rumors which I believe he makes up himself.

However, I did consider us as a potential "third team" when I first read about the Chris Paul interest by Phoenix. Things like this are incredibly complicated, and I have a hard time understanding what we would need to give up besides picks. Nor am I absolutely thrilled Oubre moves the needle much for the Mavericks. The #10 pick, on the other hand, is inviting. I'd love to have that one. So I kind of hope Fisher gets lucky on this rumor.

Some interesting ideas regarding 3 and 4-team trades here: https://thesmokingcuban.com/2020/11/12/dallas-mavericks-trades-suns-chris-paul/6/

None of these ideas involve moving up in the draft but are interesting nonetheless.

[ozwizard8]

SI.com has Dallas taking Gobert if Giannis signs an extension with Milwaukee.

Interesting angle. Carlisle is too good a coach for him not to think of creative ways to make it work. Also, getting Gobert signals that KP will take a more active role in the offense. Scoring off lobs and extending the 3 point range. Which I agree. You're paying him the max to score more and get buckets. Make it worthwhile.

Just don't see the Mavs using over 60mil of cap space on 3 centers.

Getting Gobert means 3 things:

1. 2021 capspace still preserved. Gobert is a 2021 FA.
2. Mavs probably figured KP wont last a decade in the league with injuries or is not expected to play 82 games every year.
3. Gobert plays the Dwight Powel role with more defense. KP being paid the max is expected to shoulder more offensive load.

Personally I'd rather have KP play like Dirk, in which he takes on more responsibility on offense like DIrk. Leave the defense to Gobert the way it was with Tyson. KP is paid the max, ideally you'd like him to perform like a max player and get buckets.

Now in what we can offer Utah for him, I'd say Powell + Kleber + Curry + 18. If Gobert indeed plans to bolt Utah, that is a decent return. And with Ingles getting up there in age and losing a step, Kleber to replace him wouldn't be so bad either. Not a lot of free agents would go live in Salt Lake City. They'd have to get stuff via trades, I'd imagine.

C- Gobert
PF- Porzingis
SF- Finney Smith
SG- Hardaway Jr.
PG- Doncic

Not the lineup I was hoping for, but if it happens, it ain't so bad either.

From what I tell, you're not sold on the long term fit of Gobert with Doncic and KP. Then why would Mavs give up Seth-Kleber?
This trade looks like a "win now" trade but I don't think this trade would bring much more wins for the 2021 season.
You wrote the starting 5 but with this trade the bench get a low worse.
We'd play Justin Jackson big minutes. Two of the Brunson-Burke-Barea would be on the court for the second five and they cannot defend SG/SF like Seth. I think Seth's ability to run without ball brings another layer on offense too. So losing him doesn't sound right.