Trade Discussion 22/23

juanc · Post #501 » by **juanc** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:47 pm

I think that many of you are intrigued by Porter Jr, but I'm afraid that it's more the idea of what he should be and not his play. After all the injuries he isn't the same player that he was, especially on defense.
Richardson for example is the far superior defender at the moment. I would give OPJ the same contract Maxi has gotten, nothing more.

Lowry is also a name that gets mentioned here a lot. Why give up assets if we can just wait a few more months and sign him?

arkuo · Post #502 » by **arkuo** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:48 pm

Pinkyring wrote:I don't see a need to trade Powell as there are notable free agents we can't afford as is, I'd like to in a perfect world keep thj for a 3/39 type deal and use the other 22m on conley and porter jr and let Richardson walk. There really isn't a scenario i can see that pays Richardson anything substantial to return

Ideally the Mavs find a good deal for Johnson + Richardson before the deadline to make use of those assets. Letting them walk can be Plan B as I don't have faith in Donnie Nelson landing free agents in the summer.

Maybe something like this:

Mavs send Johnson + Richardson to Cleveland
Cleveland sends Drummond to Charlotte
Charlotte sends Rozier + Monk + PJ Washington to Dallas

Cleveland has 5 centers, they just got Jarret Allen and Im pretty sure they are not paying Drummond another contract. Charlotte needs a center badly and has a log jam at the guard spot with Graham and now Lamelo Ball. Rozier and Monk are signed on for one more year, so that gives the Mavs flexibility again in case it doesnt work out. But I like Rozier's defense. Reminds me of Marcus Smart.

JD45 · Post #503 » by **JD45** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:30 pm

I think the Mavs have great incentive to make a trade instead of waiting for cap space this summer.

If they let THJ, JRich and WCS go, they can get to max cap space. But all three are productive players. And what free agent could they get for max space that is going to help the Mavs more than having those 3?

On the other hand, a trade featuring Johnson + assets might bring in a productive player while keeping at least 2 of those 3. Thats a lot easier path to improving the team.

JRich is off to a slow start, so maybe he doesn't command a lot more than his current $10 mil. But I suspect its going to be closer to $20 mil. On the other hand, if THJ plays the rest of the season like he has the first 10 games he will get well more than $20 mil.

arkuo · Post #504 » by **arkuo** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:38 pm

JD45 wrote:
JRich is off to a slow start, so maybe he doesn't command a lot more than his current $10 mil. But I suspect its going to be closer to $20 mil. On the other hand, if THJ plays the rest of the season like he has the first 10 games he will get well more than $20 mil.

Damn. That is a tough call.

I don't want to be the guy handing THJ and RIchardson $20M each. Yikes.

Well, consolidation of assets is always a smart move. If they can combine THJ + Johnson + RIchardson into a true max worthy player, that'd be great. Think in the lines of Bradley Beal.

Apz · Post #505 » by **Apz** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:47 pm

Mike lorenzo wrote:
Apz wrote:I kinda wonder if an unprotected 1st and powell could land us turner. That would be intresting with a kp turner kleber wcs johnson frontcourt. Lots of nice combinations that can be made

I don't think ... Sabonis is very good, but no defense ... Turner is the one in charge of his rim defense. and space in the offensive. Indiana is competing and that trade clearly makes them worse. I think they might consider changing for a more natural 4 ... that can change in defense and space the floor ... the offer should start with Maxi + maybe that selection and match salaries ... He asked me why, we want to pay another center .. ?? KP + WCS + Boban + Maxi we are more than good ... I would be interested in a 3/4 larger than DFS that I can defend as icing on the cake.Anunoby/J.Grant/ Hayward / Gordon / Covington / Clarke / O. Porter ....

Was a thought, but not intrested if it would take kleber. Would make us worse

Apz · Post #506 » by **Apz** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:56 pm

Dont get what ppl got against jrich. He and kleber is the 2 beat defenders we got. Sure, his shot hasnt fallen in the season yet, but same can be said about a lot of other of our players before last few games.

dirkforpres · Post #507 » by **dirkforpres** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:10 pm

Apz wrote:Dont get what ppl got against jrich. He and kleber is the 2 beat defenders we got. Sure, his shot hasnt fallen in the season yet, but same can be said about a lot of other of our players before last few games.

It’s not so much a problem with J-Rich as it is just him being possibly our most tradeable asset. He’s a young, talented player on an expiring contract so him and Brunson are the most likely candidates for getting any sort of deal done for a true 3rd option.

arkuo · Post #508 » by **arkuo** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:41 pm

Apz wrote:Dont get what ppl got against jrich. He and kleber is the 2 beat defenders we got. Sure, his shot hasnt fallen in the season yet, but same can be said about a lot of other of our players before last few games.

Nobody is against J-RIch. You just dont want to be the guy to hand him a $25M check.

Just look at Indian trading Oladipo for Lavert. Now that's a smart move. You do not want to be the guy who hands Oladipo $35M or he walks away for nothing if you do not pay up. Mavs are on the same boat with Richardson.

taibumu · Post #509 » by **taibumu** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:43 pm

I believe you're forgetting something important, all that touch Luka is converted in gold. Luka makes better all the players around him so, maybe the team doesn't need all-start caliber players, I think would be more interesting to acquire players with potential future like Jonathan Isaac, Bagley...

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arkuo · Post #510 » by **arkuo** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:07 pm

Nurkic is down with a broken hand, Zach Collins out for surgery. Blazers need a big man to save their season. With Robert Covington having a down year and averaging just 6 points, maybe they'd take a deal for Dwight Powell, Bey, Hinton and picks?

JD45 · Post #511 » by **JD45** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:51 pm

arkuo wrote:Nurkic is down with a broken hand, Zach Collins out for surgery. Blazers need a big man to save their season. With Robert Covington having a down year and averaging just 6 points, maybe they'd take a deal for Dwight Powell, Bey, Hinton and picks?

Dwight Powell and "big man to save their season" is not a combination I ever expected to see in a paragraph here.

But maybe the Blazers GM doesn't get around to watching Mavs games. Can always make the call. Would love to hear a recording of it.

Apz · Post #512 » by **Apz** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:42 pm

Covington falling hard tho. Sounds way too expensive

Joshrm · Post #513 » by **Joshrm** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:40 pm

Covington makes about same Powell

dirkforpres · Post #514 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:15 am

Anyone that says we don’t need or shouldn’t trade for Drummond should look at tonight’s performance against Milwaukee and reassess their opinion of this teams bigs

Apz · Post #515 » by **Apz** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:30 am

We cant trade for drummond without gutting ghe team. I dobt mind giving him a reasonable contract in the summer tho

Joshrm · Post #516 » by **Joshrm** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:33 am

We need trade for free throw coach . Make free throws are one of problems.

Apz · Post #517 » by **Apz** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:10 am

Hmm.
Tucker to hawks, collins to mavs, powell + top 10 prot 25 to houston?

dirkforpres · Post #518 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:08 am

Apz wrote:We cant trade for drummond without gutting ghe team. I dobt mind giving him a reasonable contract in the summer tho

Powell, Johnson, and 2nd rounders isn’t gutting the team unless 4 players all get COVID at the same time again

arkuo · Post #519 » by **arkuo** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:27 am

dirkforpres wrote:Anyone that says we don’t need or shouldn’t trade for Drummond should look at tonight’s performance against Milwaukee and reassess their opinion of this teams bigs

Drummond will clog the lanes and just stand in the paint. I think the team will be ok when Maxi comes back. He's the percect 3&D PF to play opposite KP.

Plus we get Richardson and DFS in the rotation again.

jpengland · Post #520 » by **jpengland** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:56 am

arkuo wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:Anyone that says we don’t need or shouldn’t trade for Drummond should look at tonight’s performance against Milwaukee and reassess their opinion of this teams bigs

Drummond will clog the lanes and just stand in the paint. I think the team will be ok when Maxi comes back. He's the percect 3&D PF to play opposite KP.

Plus we get Richardson and DFS in the rotation again.

This.

WCS has shown enough to be the back up 5. Boban can step in and give some minutes when one is down, or on match up.

We should be adding versatile guys who can guard multiple positions and knock down 3s, or else another top quality 1 - 4.