Mavs 2016 Offseason Discussion

Darren · Post #521 » by **Darren** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:22 pm

Mr B wrote:
Darren wrote:As for playmakers, Larkin and Sloan are still available. Both averages 11 PPG, 7 APG per 36 mins. Larkin has 2 SPG as well. Any interest in either of them?

Considering their interest in Roddy I wonder they haven't shown any interest in Larkin. Wasn't Carlisle the guy that pushed to draft him?

I heard that it is Dirk who made the draft decision that year.

daoneandonly · Post #522 » by **daoneandonly** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:30 pm

fuller4379 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Darren wrote:As for playmakers, Larkin and Sloan are still available. Both averages 11 PPG, 7 APG per 36 mins. Larkin has 2 SPG as well. Any interest in either of them?

I only want Larkin if we unload Barea, we don't need two shorty bee-bops on the floor (though I'm shorter than both so no room to talk).

What? You don't want Carlisle to put Curry, Larkin, Harris, Barea, and Williams on the court at the same time?

Ha you know he would, so heck to the No.

Post #523 » by **HMFFL** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:32 am

Raymond Felton, Clippers Agree Upon Deal
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242847/Raymond-Felton-Clippers-Agree-Upon-Deal

Darren · Post #524 » by **Darren** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:15 am

Good for him. Wish him all the best.

Post #525 » by **Mr. E** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:31 pm

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Darren · Post #526 » by **Darren** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:25 am

Dion Waiters is now UFA. Hopefully, we can talk him to sign one-year min deal. The Mavs needs a sixth man in Jet's role. Dion Waiters is a perfect fit. However, he's to take one year min. We'll re-sign him to reasonable amount next offseason. Seriously, he's more versatile compared with Jonathan Gibson. He's much younger, too. Rick Carlisie was high on him during OKC playoff series. I expect us to interest in his service. We need capable playmaker and 2-wayed players. Dion Waiters is perfect in that role. If he learns well enough, he may even take over DWill's starting 1 spot next offseason. And with DWill backing him up.

2011Champs · Post #527 » by **2011Champs** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:07 am

Darren wrote:Dion Waiters is now UFA. Hopefully, we can talk him to sign one-year min deal. The Mavs needs a sixth man in Jet's role. Dion Waiters is a perfect fit. However, he's to take one year min. We'll re-sign him to reasonable amount next offseason. Seriously, he's more versatile compared with Jonathan Gibson. He's much younger, too. Rick Carlisie was high on him during OKC playoff series. I expect us to interest in his service. We need capable playmaker and 2-wayed players. Dion Waiters is perfect in that role. If he learns well enough, he may even take over DWill's starting 1 spot next offseason. And with DWill backing him up.

pass on waiters , he is a cancer

Darren · Post #528 » by **Darren** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:01 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPWl1d-elM

I wonder why. I guess there's something wrong. Jason Kidd did not operate at moderate speed at all nearly all the time. Maybe Deron Williams needs a transition to his game from athleticism-based to brain-based.

If we can create a team that our guys to full strength, I don't think we're that much behind the Golden States.
Andrew Bogut --> Sabonis / CWebb (post-up, behind the back passes, 3s!)
Dirk Nowitzki --> Dirk (pick-n-path threats. end point in 3-point passing game.)
Harrison Barnes --> Reggie Miller / Peja (he can run and shoot. I don't think he can develop ball-handling overnight. But he can run and shoot.)
Wes Matthews --> Matthews (recovery. play similar lockdown defense and improve shot-selection. some post up as well.)
Deron Williams --> Kidd / Mark Jackson (Create space with creativity and pass. Improve shooting from long range. Passing game with 5 shooters on perimeter.)
Dwight Powell --> Brandan Wright (learn to convert layups. learn when to switch. and learn to shoot.)
Justin Anderson --> Bowen (Learn to be an elite defender. deny the balls. make it tough for drives. shot selection. hit a corner 3s. learn a handle on the right and seize backdoor cuts and putbacks opportunities.)
Quincy Acy --> Green (learn to drive with balls. provides energy.)
Seth Curry --> Curry (learn playmaking and playing defense. being a clutch shooter.)
Salah Mejri --> Chandler (learn to convert layups. learn to run off ball to fool the defenders and find himself in no-man land.)
Jonathan Gibson --> Terry (learn to create with pick-n-roll with Dirk. provide killer instinct.)
Jose Barea --> Barea (recovery. be consistent with energy.)
Devin Harris --> Harris (recovery. be consistent with energy. rediscover the defense and charges. regain explosiveness.)
AJ Hammons --> Mourning / Hakeem (learn footwork. learn to see the floor. refine his role. provide energy)

We think ways too much putting our guys into somebody else's shoes. We just need to play to our strengthes. This season is a great opportunities with our level of talents. We can have more diversity offensively and play some lockdown defense. I don't think 6-8 seeds should be our goals with such a talented squad. We should seize the opportunities aggressively.

Darren · Post #529 » by **Darren** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:34 am

The offseason is over. It's now up to the Mavs to decide who to fill the player development role. I hope VC retire and join us. But I am not sure if he's ready for that. He's an ideal candidate for playmaking training.

Post #530 » by **Dirk** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:15 pm

Deron Williams update.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/dwatkinsNBC5/status/756656766419554304[/tweet]

It's interesting how he mentions, "I was happy to be back, I would have liked a little longer deal...", that should give him extra motivation to do well. He's still relatively young for a PG and if he had the motivation, he definitely could still be a valuable piece on a team.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #531 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:00 am

looking at what the celtics are doing tells me they are not going to keep some guys and will most likely cut some talented guys when time comes to get down to 15. They just added Gerald Green to that crowded roster. that is 21 guys.

I think we may want to spy on who they like there and swoop in and get one of these guys with the last roster spot on the team.

At any rate they have 15 players listed on their official roster and 6 rookies.

the 6 rookies
Jaylen Brown 3rd pick 6'7"
Guerschon Yabusele 16th pick 6'7"
Ante Zizic 23rd pick 6'11"
Demetrias Jackson 45th 6'1"
Ben Bentil 51st 6'9"
Abdel Nader 58th 6'6"

keepers from last seasons team plus free agents:
Al Horford
Avery Bradley
Isaiah Thomas
Jae Crowder
kelly Olynyk
Marcus Smart
Gerald Green
Amir Johnson
Tyler Zeller
Jonas Jerebko
RJ Hunter
Terry Rozier
Jordan Mickey
John Holland
James Young

So who makes this team and who doesn't?

Do we want anyone they cut?

If they add 3 rookies then 3 vets get let go.

Player Salaries

Spoiler:

SOUNDCHASER · Post #532 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:57 am

looking like of the rookies they are sending 2 overseas Yabusle and Zizic to season a bit. Adding Green to this plus rumors they want Abdel Nader and Demetrius Jackson plus I cannot imagine them not keeping the third pick of the draft Jaylen brown.

What happens if Crowder is odd man out?

Do we take him back?

Darren · Post #533 » by **Darren** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:25 am

It's easy. They will trade for a star. They are rumored to be interested in Westbrook, Hayward, Noel/Okafor and so on. I don't think they waive any of them. Even if they do waive someone else, I doubt he's as talent as Lance Stephenson. Stephenson can at least offer youth, athleticism, defense, ball-handling, versatility and playmaking in efficient manner. However, I am not surprised with end up with a veteran who play semi-coaching role. Indeed, I think the older guys on the roster with fewer playing time should start to play similar roles in teaching younger guys.

Post #534 » by **Dirk** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:28 pm

Do keep this in mind:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/755289184688930816[/tweet]

Highly unlikely the Mavs will cut anyone to get any of the Celtics scrubs.

k-lynch201 · Post #535 » by **k-lynch201** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:47 pm

Green was probably the only potential add for us as a FA but now he is with the Celts.

Unlikely any of these guys latch on with us, certainly not Crowder, hes on a team friendly deal now with the new salary cap.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #536 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:25 am

So then are there any other teams who will be forced to cut guys that could be a slight bit better than what we could develop with our current 14th / 15th roster spot? From analyzing what the Celtics are likely to let go it will probably be guys like Abdel Nader 58th pick of this past draft and fellow 2nd rounder Ben Bentil who went at 51. Plus then guys that were on the team last season like James Jones and J Holland.

Darren · Post #537 » by **Darren** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:22 am

Obviously, I am interested in Amir Johnson to strength our frontcourt depth. He's a good defender and rebounder. And we've a risky frontcourt. They are either too injury-prone or are too inexperienced. I really don't want Greg Monroe at all unless we offer nothing of value and he will 100% opt out next offseason.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #538 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:01 am

yeah but Boston will definitely keep him. Monroe is too one dimensional but for nothing yeah I would take him but then who do you send for matching his $$$. Too much would have to be given up and I'd rather develop Hammons into a center this year before rushing to grab a one dimensional player. If Daren does well at PG then we are really going to do well this season. PG health is going to be key and if we get lucky and see Curry develop then that is a position of strength. The development of our youth is very important and with the Bucks failing to find suitors it could be that teams want to see what they have first. TDL may be interesting for that deal.

Darren · Post #539 » by **Darren** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:59 am

Thomas Robinson is the name I am interested in. He's strong rebounding and defense number. That's the quality we wanted in our frontcourt depth. I wonder if he's willing to take the vet min to join us. We're among his suitors 3 weeks ago. I am all for him making the 15th roster spot. I don't think he's the 15th man, though. I really concern about the rumors that we talk trades with Bucks to bring in Monroe. He's different players than Powell and Acy. He's the best rebounder on Mavs roster at 14 RPG (4.5 off) per 36 minutes. He's solid number at steals (1.5) and blocks (1.4) as well. He's a p-n-r finisher and putbacks threats. I expect playing time for him if he does sign with us. Besides Gibson, no partially guaranteed players can actually play. And we need a rotation big. T-Rob offers more than enough for that role. He's automatically ahead of Powell and Acy in depth chart. Matthews has nice chemistry with him in Portland. And all he wanted is 20 minutes per game. I think we're the right team offering him. We can always pair him with Dirk. Maybe we can ask Matthews a bit about him. T-Rob for vet min is a great bargain. I am more comfortable with him than Powell. And we can monitor Bogut's minutes. Acy can work extensively as a stretch 4 or undersized 5.

Thomas Robinson averages 12.1 PPG, 14.1 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 2.7 TO, 4.4 PF per 36 minutes.
Limited offensive skills and a bit high TO and PF number along with poor FT% (51.1%) are the only limitations to his game.
He can finish the rim off pick-n-roll. He is an amazing offensive rebounder (4.5). He loves putback and alleyop.
He can shoot from mid-range. I am confident he can contribute to the Mavs in a big way.

Teffer10 · Post #540 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:28 pm

Darren wrote:Thomas Robinson is the name I am interested in. He's strong rebounding and defense number. That's the quality we wanted in our frontcourt depth. I wonder if he's willing to take the vet min to join us. We're among his suitors 3 weeks ago. I am all for him making the 15th roster spot. I don't think he's the 15th man, though. I really concern about the rumors that we talk trades with Bucks to bring in Monroe. He's different players than Powell and Acy. He's the best rebounder on Mavs roster at 14 RPG (4.5 off) per 36 minutes. He's solid number at steals (1.5) and blocks (1.4) as well. He's a p-n-r finisher and putbacks threats. I expect playing time for him if he does sign with us. Besides Gibson, no partially guaranteed players can actually play. And we need a rotation big. T-Rob offers more than enough for that role. He's automatically ahead of Powell and Acy in depth chart. Matthews has nice chemistry with him in Portland. And all he wanted is 20 minutes per game. I think we're the right team offering him. We can always pair him with Dirk. Maybe we can ask Matthews a bit about him. T-Rob for vet min is a great bargain. I am more comfortable with him than Powell. And we can monitor Bogut's minutes. Acy can work extensively as a stretch 4 or undersized 5.

Thomas Robinson averages 12.1 PPG, 14.1 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 2.7 TO, 4.4 PF per 36 minutes.
Limited offensive skills and a bit high TO and PF number along with poor FT% (51.1%) are the only limitations to his game.
He can finish the rim off pick-n-roll. He is an amazing offensive rebounder (4.5). He loves putback and alleyop.
He can shoot from mid-range. I am confident he can contribute to the Mavs in a big way.

I don't see the Mavs bringing TR in when we have QA and Powell. Robinson is way undersized to play any minutes at center and has a PF body with SG height. He'd be a nice energy guy off the bench but we have that with Powell and QA. Plus both QA and Powell have longer range than Robinson.
As a huge Jayhawk fan I'd love to have Robinson on the team. Great attitude and works his butt off but with Powell and QA on the team I see no reason to sign him.