Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[arkuo]

I think they are way past fixing KP's ego. At this point he is a trade chip to match Dame's huge $175M dalary coming back if he requests a trade. Cuban basically hired Dame's people. Hope it pays off.

This would be a punch below the waist to Portland and I love it
Ever since swindling the market with broadcast.com, Cuban didn't do anything to justify his shark reputation other than media appearances, if he pulls this off, he restores his reputation.

Dame can play off ball. So imagine him in that THJ role. But supersized. Like 30ppg super sized.

[JJP]

This thread has gone off the rails. Is there any interest in being realistic? The Trade thread I understand. Those threads live in fantasy land. But Dame? For KP? Arguably a top 5 player in the NBA for a guy who is struggling on both ends of the court just because their salaries are close?

More Likely, Dallas beefs up their rotation rather than make a big trade. The only thing they could do "big" is maybe let Timmy walk and go sign Powell or someone like him.

[HMFFL]

Ideally, I would have liked to have seen Carlisle stay and for Nico to take Nelson’s place. Players might like Kidd, but he’s an awful coach.

I think Jason Kidd deserves his fresh start. I will judge once he's coached a respectable amount of games with us first.



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[arkuo]

This thread has gone off the rails. Is there any interest in being realistic? The Trade thread I understand. Those threads live in fantasy land. But Dame? For KP? Arguably a top 5 player in the NBA for a guy who is struggling on both ends of the court just because their salaries are close?

More Likely, Dallas beefs up their rotation rather than make a big trade. The only thing they could do "big" is maybe let Timmy walk and go sign Powell or someone like him.

You never know with Cuban's larger than life and flashy ways. The company direction was set when he hired those guys. And that's to be able to get free agents in. Of course the kind of free agent whether big or small is to be determined. But I'll give the wife beater, Nike Nico and Vegas Bob a shot before I start ripping on them. They have all the makings of a dynsfunctional front office waiting to explode or they could actually make it work. So we'll see. Results for this hiring likely comes a year from now. So we can talk about stuff while the general board tears Kidd a new one.

[JJP]

Ideally, I would have liked to have seen Carlisle stay and for Nico to take Nelson’s place. Players might like Kidd, but he’s an awful coach.

I think Jason Kidd deserves his fresh start. I will judge once he's coached a respectable amount of games with us first.

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Funny how much respect Kidd has around the league.... and yet in Dallas, hardly anyone thinks this is a good idea.

[JD45]

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This is interesting. Because we need a second scorer is different as we need another scorer.

And with Cuban saying it as such means he doesnt view THJ or KP as a second scorer. I'd be interested to know if the new regime lets THJ walk. No use paying $15 to $18M for a 3rd or 4th scorer who has bad games every 2 nights.

I read that KP "is what he is" but that THJ was just not good enough for what they need. Seemed like THJ was gone, although I really don't know who they are going to replace him with to actually improve.

"Get his own shot" has to be the key point. KP has scored over 20 ppg for the last 3 years he played. Not many of those around. I can't think of any team with 3 of those on the same team other than the Nets.

[HMFFL]

WTF...Give Mosley a raise for crying out loud.


Jamahl Mosley leaving Mavericks?

Doncic had already developed a close relationship with assistant Jamahl Mosley, though, which brings back the question of meritocracy. It’s expected Mosley will depart the franchise, sources say, after failing to receive the serious consideration he anticipated for the vacant coaching role. Doncic has specifically avoided meddling in the front office decision-making, and hiring Mosley was never seen as necessary just because Doncic preferred him to Carlisle. However, it’s clear Kidd didn’t beat out Mosley as much as he was whisked past him in a preferred lane.

 

– via Tim Cato @ The Athletic



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[HMFFL]

Mark Cuban is FIRED UP for the Mavericks’ hiring of Jason Kidd … telling TMZ Sports he thinks the dude is “going to be great” for Dallas and its star point guard, Luka Doncic. The Mavs owner spoke with us leaving Victory The Podcast in L.A. just hours after making the hire official … and it ain’t hard to tell, Cubes is expecting greatness from his team’s new headman. “I’m excited about it, obviously,” the 62-year-old said. “J. Kidd is going to be great for us. He’s going to be great for Luka, for the organization. I’m really excited.”

 

– via TMZ Staff @ TMZ.com



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[Mr B]

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This is interesting. Because we need a second scorer is different as we need another scorer.

And with Cuban saying it as such means he doesnt view THJ or KP as a second scorer. I'd be interested to know if the new regime lets THJ walk. No use paying $15 to $18M for a 3rd or 4th scorer who has bad games every 2 nights.

I read that KP "is what he is" but that THJ was just not good enough for what they need. Seemed like THJ was gone, although I really don't know who they are going to replace him with to actually improve.

"Get his own shot" has to be the key point. KP has scored over 20 ppg for the last 3 years he played. Not many of those around. I can't think of any team with 3 of those on the same team other than the Nets.

If you’re looking to replace THJ’s production there are guys in the market that could fill that role. Markkanen and Fournier come to mind. Either might be cheaper than what THJ is going to command on the open market and either could give the Mavs the same amount of production.

I think the Mavs are thinking much bigger than THJ, Markkanen, or Fournier. According to Cuban they need a second scorer that can create his own shot. I really think they are going to acquire this guy through trade. So instead of just signing a free agent I wouldn’t be surprised if they use their cap space to absorb a bad contract. They may have to do that in order to get the player they want.



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[JD45]

I think the Mavs are thinking much bigger than THJ, Markkanen, or Fournier. According to Cuban they need a second scorer that can create his own shot. I really think they are going to acquire this guy through trade. So instead of just signing a free agent I wouldn’t be surprised if they use their cap space to absorb a bad contract. They may have to do that in order to get the player they want.

Cuban has mentioned taking on a bad contract, so that is certainly in the toolbox. Maybe a deal for Sexton where they take on Love's contract. Love could be useful as well.

Wiggins might fit that role. I think GSW is definitely a trade partner to watch. Several potential moves there.

CJ McCollum is starting to get consideration as a "bad contract", but the guy has put up 6 straight 20+ ppg seasons, with a career 40% 3pt shot. I think he would be a better fit next to Luka than he is next to Lillard.

Norm Powell seems a little better than THJ at getting his own shot and could likely be had for the same money.

And while we often dismiss him because of age and 3pt shooting, DeMar Derozan is probably the one free agent who perfectly fits the 2nd scorer who could get his own shot. He just does it differently than the Mavs reputation.

I am sure they will make calls for stars like Beal, but I just don't think they have trade value to get them.

[HMFFL]

CJ McCollum has been considered a bad contract and one that has needed to be traded for three seasons. Lillard wants him there but GM Neil Olshey needs to moved. I guess by not moving him he keeps Lillard happy and keeps his job. He needed to be fired like Coach Stotts was.

CJ is a #3 on any true contender.

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[fuller4379]

It is Skip Bayless as a source, but more for the rumor mill:

https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-rumors-kawhi-leonard-allegedly-unhappy-with-la-claims-skip-bayless/

[Mr B]

It is Skip Bayless as a source, but more for the rumor mill:

https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-rumors-kawhi-leonard-allegedly-unhappy-with-la-claims-skip-bayless/

He’s having the same issue with their medical staff that he had with the Spurs staff too right?


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[Mr B]

Saw this potential trade.

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[Mavrelous]

CJ McCollum has been considered a bad contract and one that has needed to be traded for three seasons. Lillard wants him there but GM Neil Olshey needs to moved. I guess by not moving him he keeps Lillard happy and keeps his job. He needed to be fired like Coach Stotts was.

CJ is a #3 on any true contender.

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I'd love to have CJ, don't think Blazers will trade for KP, but THJ +Powell + DFS for CJ may do it.

[brewers0048]

It is Skip Bayless as a source, but more for the rumor mill:

https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-rumors-kawhi-leonard-allegedly-unhappy-with-la-claims-skip-bayless/

It would be shocking if he left LA after just a couple seasons but if he does, he might as well come to Dallas!

[fuller4379]

It is Skip Bayless as a source, but more for the rumor mill:

https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-rumors-kawhi-leonard-allegedly-unhappy-with-la-claims-skip-bayless/

He’s having the same issue with their medical staff that he had with the Spurs staff too right?


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Yes, very similar to San Antonio. Interesting if true, but Bayless as a source is just one step above Random RealGM Forum Guy.

[arkuo]

Saw this potential trade.

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We're essentially handing BKN the title with this. But I don't have problems with that too. Luka will have his time down the road. Let the others worry about this now.

I'd immediately follow that trade up by sending Dinwiddie to the Lakers for KCP and Montrezl Harell. Then send Deandre to Boston for Marcus Smart. With Joe Harris on board, you can afford to let THJ walk now. Split the cap room with Lowry and Holmes.

C- Holmes / WCS
PF- Harrell / Powell
SF - KCP / DFS / Harris
SG - Lowry / Smart / Harris
PG- Doncic / Brunson

That's basically Doncic and a lot of other players who play defense.

[JJP]

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This actually is interesting, but it would be strange for Brooklyn

DeAndre Jordan is a throw-away or nearly so, but Harris looks good on the Mavs team. Dinwiddie is inefficient but playing with Luca might be a changer. The Mavs would need to go out and find another big man trade after losing KP and Kleber, so this isn't enough for the Mavs, but in conjunction with other trades, it's interesting.

Most people want to KP another year hoping it's a healthy year. I'm not one of them. I don't think he will ever have enough healthy years to warrant keeping him.

[arkuo]

An overlooked team right now is Detroit. They just got the number 1 pick, assuming they draft Cade Cunningham, they will have a log jam at point guard with Killian Hayes and an overpaid Corey Joseph. If Cuban can take that Corey Joseph contract, maybe you can sign and trade THJ for Jerami Grant. The length, defense and 3 point shooting he provides complements Luka.