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Post#541 » by HMFFL » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:34 am

arkuo wrote:Im surprised that Dallas cant come up with a better package for Robert Covington.
I really wanted Covington once it was clear Houston would have a fire sale.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#542 » by HMFFL » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:43 am

I think it's safe to assume Giannis Antetokounmpo will happily sign an extension now with Milwaukee. He can still sign the supermax.

We can pretty much X him off our plans now and we must proceed forward with other means to upgrade. 2021 just changed a lot for us.

In other news, most of you know Chris Paul has been traded to Phoenix, so he can also be removed from our plans, as some of you have mentioned him here.



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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#543 » by arkuo » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:06 am

HMFFL wrote:
arkuo wrote:Im surprised that Dallas cant come up with a better package for Robert Covington.
I really wanted Covington once it was clear Houston would have a fire sale.

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Yeah me too. Cuban needs to wake up and not wait on Giannis to fall on his plate.

The Blazers just sent a 40 year old Trevor Ariza for Covington. I believe Dallas could have made a better offer than that. Cmon Donnie.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#544 » by dirkules_41 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:42 am

Yeah not a fan of this inactivity. Everyone is adding weapons already and I doubt Giannis will do anything but sign that supermax shortly now.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#545 » by dirkules_41 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:44 am

Bogdan, Covington, Jrue all gone.
I'm hoping we can strike a deal with the Thunder for Kelly Oubre and/or Danny Green.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#546 » by arkuo » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:46 am

With Houston about to hold a firesale soon, I wouldnt be opposed to getting Eric Gordon for Delon Wright and then some. Maybe throw in PJ Tucker in there for some grit and 3 point shooting too.
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Post#547 » by agentofatlas » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:48 am

Not really expecting much. Dallas FO have been slow the past couple of offseasons and pretty mediocre overall. Luka and RC have been hiding their ineptitude for a while. My hope is that they're not hanging all their hope in Giannis coming cause that is stupid.
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Post#548 » by arkuo » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:55 am

You know it's scary when Cuban's plans are:

Plan A - bet everything on Giannis in 2021
Plan B - re-sign Devin Harris again


Someone in Dallas please poke Donnie with a stick to check if he has a pulse. :lol:
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#549 » by Pinkyring » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:59 am

Its hilarious seeing some of yall complain about inactivity yet have been beating the 2021 cap space drum to death and fighting every trade that dipped into it. Giannis was never coming here and the fact that some of yall wanted to waste a year of cheap luka for a pupe dream is absurd. That said, all these trades today were massive overpays so this isn't the pool we should be playing in. I'm perfectly fine with making a big move but 2 first for Covington. .. no. Id rather have maxi than pay that Covington value, on a side note tho if we could get 2 first for maxi im in. Id like us to pursue lonzo ball as i think he'd be perfect as a secondary playmaker and primary backcourt defender. he was also 38% on high volume last year.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#550 » by leolozon » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:05 am

arkuo wrote:
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arkuo wrote:Im surprised that Dallas cant come up with a better package for Robert Covington.
I really wanted Covington once it was clear Houston would have a fire sale.

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Yeah me too. Cuban needs to wake up and not wait on Giannis to fall on his plate.

The Blazers just sent a 40 year old Trevor Ariza for Covington. I believe Dallas could have made a better offer than that. Cmon Donnie.


Did you forget about the 2 firsts? That could actually be an overpay for Covington.

Bogdan could actually have been better for the Mavs for cheaper, but they had to pay him.
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Post#551 » by Archx » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:37 am

Pinkyring wrote:Its hilarious seeing some of yall complain about inactivity yet have been beating the 2021 cap space drum to death and fighting every trade that dipped into it. Giannis was never coming here and the fact that some of yall wanted to waste a year of cheap luka for a pupe dream is absurd. That said, all these trades today were massive overpays so this isn't the pool we should be playing in. I'm perfectly fine with making a big move but 2 first for Covington. .. no. Id rather have maxi than pay that Covington value, on a side note tho if we could get 2 first for maxi im in. Id like us to pursue lonzo ball as i think he'd be perfect as a secondary playmaker and primary backcourt defender. he was also 38% on high volume last year.



You say all of that and then come up with a Maxi for Lonzo trade? ... Mavs are already very thin with bigs, specially with Powell coming back from severe injury, KP being out for some time and WCS likely to opt out and now you want to get rid of another big for a guard? Maxi is a decent wing defender who can actually guard multiple positions and i'd much rather have Brunson than Lonzo. At least Brunson can make a layup.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#552 » by Pinkyring » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:42 am

Archx wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Its hilarious seeing some of yall complain about inactivity yet have been beating the 2021 cap space drum to death and fighting every trade that dipped into it. Giannis was never coming here and the fact that some of yall wanted to waste a year of cheap luka for a pupe dream is absurd. That said, all these trades today were massive overpays so this isn't the pool we should be playing in. I'm perfectly fine with making a big move but 2 first for Covington. .. no. Id rather have maxi than pay that Covington value, on a side note tho if we could get 2 first for maxi im in. Id like us to pursue lonzo ball as i think he'd be perfect as a secondary playmaker and primary backcourt defender. he was also 38% on high volume last year.



You say all of that and then come up with a Maxi for Lonzo trade? ... Mavs are already very thin with bigs, specially with Powell coming back from severe injury, KP being out for some time and WCS likely to opt out and now you want to get rid of another big for a guard? Maxi is a decent wing defender who can actually guard multiple positions and i'd much rather have Brunson than Lonzo. At least Brunson can make a layup.

Maxi is replaceable, thad young can fill his role, kidd couldn't make layups either, i think ball is later stage Jason kidd which is perfect. maxi does nothing great, ball is a great play maker, rebounder, and defender
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#553 » by Archx » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:57 am

Pinkyring wrote:
Archx wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Its hilarious seeing some of yall complain about inactivity yet have been beating the 2021 cap space drum to death and fighting every trade that dipped into it. Giannis was never coming here and the fact that some of yall wanted to waste a year of cheap luka for a pupe dream is absurd. That said, all these trades today were massive overpays so this isn't the pool we should be playing in. I'm perfectly fine with making a big move but 2 first for Covington. .. no. Id rather have maxi than pay that Covington value, on a side note tho if we could get 2 first for maxi im in. Id like us to pursue lonzo ball as i think he'd be perfect as a secondary playmaker and primary backcourt defender. he was also 38% on high volume last year.



You say all of that and then come up with a Maxi for Lonzo trade? ... Mavs are already very thin with bigs, specially with Powell coming back from severe injury, KP being out for some time and WCS likely to opt out and now you want to get rid of another big for a guard? Maxi is a decent wing defender who can actually guard multiple positions and i'd much rather have Brunson than Lonzo. At least Brunson can make a layup.

Maxi is replaceable, thad young can fill his role, kidd couldn't make layups either, i think ball is later stage Jason kidd which is perfect. maxi does nothing great, ball is a great play maker, rebounder, and defender


If you expect Boban to play 30+ minutes every game, then yeah. Still, Mavs would lose their best 3&D player and a much needed vertical spacer for Doncic's PnR game.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#554 » by Pinkyring » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:05 pm

Archx wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
Archx wrote:

You say all of that and then come up with a Maxi for Lonzo trade? ... Mavs are already very thin with bigs, specially with Powell coming back from severe injury, KP being out for some time and WCS likely to opt out and now you want to get rid of another big for a guard? Maxi is a decent wing defender who can actually guard multiple positions and i'd much rather have Brunson than Lonzo. At least Brunson can make a layup.

Maxi is replaceable, thad young can fill his role, kidd couldn't make layups either, i think ball is later stage Jason kidd which is perfect. maxi does nothing great, ball is a great play maker, rebounder, and defender


If you expect Boban to play 30+ minutes every game, then yeah. Still, Mavs would lose their best 3&D player and a much needed vertical spacer for Doncic's PnR game.

No we need up front help but if maxi is ever playing 30mpg we're in trouble, he's a 20-25 minute guy, u see what haopens when we ramp up his minutes ie terrible playoffs
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#555 » by JD45 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:19 pm

The most likely Mavs free agent signing in 2021 has always been Tim Hardaway Jr. He is an average player and solid contributor.

I am onboard with the 2021 cap space plan even if Giannis signs an extension with the Bucks. There are still going to be several possible upgrades to THJ. But they probably won't get them and have to resign THJ. Thats still better than trading him and picks now for someone who won't be much if any of an upgrade.

With no changes, and assuming no major injuries, the current Mavs team should be a mid-seed in the playoffs with a good chance at the 2nd round. It is progress and Luka and KP are young. Much better to build it slow and steady than make some desperate short term move that leaves them short of a championship but limits their future.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#556 » by juanc » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:52 pm

The mre I think about it the more I wish the Mavs could somehow get Lavine. There were some rumors. He would fit right in.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#557 » by dirkforpres » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:20 pm

Donnie better pull off a trade today or tomorrow. The West just got better and I highly doubt Giannis leaves now.

Not a good start for the Mavs
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#558 » by HMFFL » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:22 pm

arkuo wrote:
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arkuo wrote:Im surprised that Dallas cant come up with a better package for Robert Covington.
I really wanted Covington once it was clear Houston would have a fire sale.

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Yeah me too. Cuban needs to wake up and not wait on Giannis to fall on his plate.

The Blazers just sent a 40 year old Trevor Ariza for Covington. I believe Dallas could have made a better offer than that. Cmon Donnie.
I believe only 90% of Trevor Ariza's contract is guaranteed now.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#559 » by dirkules_41 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:36 pm

dirkforpres wrote:Donnie better pull off a trade today or tomorrow. The West just got better and I highly doubt Giannis leaves now.

Not a good start for the Mavs

This.

Staying put or marginally improving by signing a guy or two won't be enough to keep up in this arms race.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#560 » by ejs78 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:37 pm

Has anyone really psssed them

Houston is imploding
OKC in a rebuild

Portland & Phoenix might be on the same level with the Mavs not even lifting a finger yet.

Golden State we know the story there.

Mavs will get Brunson, Powell, and maybe WCS back. Have 2 picks & the MLE. Mavs can stay the path and improve slightly. They don't need to force anything and make a dumb move they'll regret later.



dirkules_41 wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:Donnie better pull off a trade today or tomorrow. The West just got better and I highly doubt Giannis leaves now.

Not a good start for the Mavs

This.

Staying put or marginally improving by signing a guy or two won't be enough to keep up in this arms race.


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