Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[dirkforpres]

Detroit? Or Orlando?

Detroit should be selling Stewart because they have too many bigs and are one of the worst teams ive seen in decades of watching ball. A complete and total tear down and reset is the wisest path forward and I think they know that too. Only ones worth keeping are Duren and Ausar, everyone else should be shopped. Problem is that apparently OKC is interested too and nobody can outbid them.

Orlando should sell because Isaac has some of the worst durability in the entire league and they would be better off with some playoff ready assets. Gambling on his health is extremely high risk, high reward but I think the Mavs have enough decent wing depth now to be able to afford that gamble.

Was talking about Detroit, they have tons of cap space, and they are killing their franchise player with the lack of spacing in the team, they need real stuff.
ORL should trade Isaac for THJ, I'm not sure Mavs should.

Doesnt really matter if Detroit has a ton of cap, because no marquee FA is going to sign up for that trainwreck anytime soon. Honestly, their best bet is to model OKC from a few years ago and absorb other team's bad contracts with draft compensation attached. Steward at least has value and can fetch a pick in return. If the Mavs can turn THJ, Holmes, and a first into Bojan and Stewart, that would be a huge win IMO

[Bob8]

Detroit? Or Orlando?

Detroit should be selling Stewart because they have too many bigs and are one of the worst teams ive seen in decades of watching ball. A complete and total tear down and reset is the wisest path forward and I think they know that too. Only ones worth keeping are Duren and Ausar, everyone else should be shopped. Problem is that apparently OKC is interested too and nobody can outbid them.

Orlando should sell because Isaac has some of the worst durability in the entire league and they would be better off with some playoff ready assets. Gambling on his health is extremely high risk, high reward but I think the Mavs have enough decent wing depth now to be able to afford that gamble.

Was talking about Detroit, they have tons of cap space, and they are killing their franchise player with the lack of spacing in the team, they need real stuff.
ORL should trade Isaac for THJ, I'm not sure Mavs should.

Doesnt really matter if Detroit has a ton of cap, because no marquee FA is going to sign up for that trainwreck anytime soon. Honestly, their best bet is to model OKC from a few years ago and absorb other team's bad contracts with draft compensation attached. Steward at least has value and can fetch a pick in return. If the Mavs can turn THJ, Holmes, and a first into Bojan and Stewart, that would be a huge win IMO

It would be huge, if Bojan wasn't 35 in few months.

[Bob8]

Yea i like Issac a lot, and really respect the character by everything ive read about him. He was the guy i was hoping for in 2017 before Orl snatched him up ahead of us. Not sure what we could offer, but Mavs should definitely initiate a call

You're talking about Issac, who has played 165 games in 7 seasons and is more interested in religion than in basketball?

He'll fit right in then lol.

As for why Isaac, he has size, great defensive instincts, and because his past injury woes and Franz and Paolo's rise, he might be attainable with the assets the Mavs have.

He has played 45 games in 4 seasons in 4 years before this season. Difficult to find player with less games played. And I'm very sceptical of that being only bad luck. But I would for sure trade him for Kleber/Hardy/Powell.

[ejs78]

Was talking about Detroit, they have tons of cap space, and they are killing their franchise player with the lack of spacing in the team, they need real stuff.
ORL should trade Isaac for THJ, I'm not sure Mavs should.

Doesnt really matter if Detroit has a ton of cap, because no marquee FA is going to sign up for that trainwreck anytime soon. Honestly, their best bet is to model OKC from a few years ago and absorb other team's bad contracts with draft compensation attached. Steward at least has value and can fetch a pick in return. If the Mavs can turn THJ, Holmes, and a first into Bojan and Stewart, that would be a huge win IMO

It would be huge, if Bojan wasn't 35 in few months.

Yeah being 35 is a tough pill to swallow. If they really want Beef Stew I would try to grab Monte Morris as well. This shouldn't cost that much either.

Mavs still would need a another complimentary piece after this.

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[daoneandonly]

Hes young, a solid rebounder/defender, can also spot up from 3 at a decent clip, and is probably tougher than any big that the Mavs have had since... Rodman? Do we count him?

Assuming we could buy low from that crappy Pistons team without spending any 1sts, this is a no-brainer acquisition.



My dream trade target, if they ever do move on from him. I still think he has legit 3rd star potential if he could ever just stay healthy.

Yea i like Issac a lot, and really respect the character by everything ive read about him. He was the guy i was hoping for in 2017 before Orl snatched him up ahead of us. Not sure what we could offer, but Mavs should definitely initiate a call

You're talking about Issac, who has played 165 games in 7 seasons and is more interested in religion than in basketball?

I didnt discount his injury history, its a massive worry. Just like Im worries about Kyrie's, the proof is there. Issac brings so much defensively when he does play, and yea religion and character matter to me, shoot me.

[tleikheen]

I dont think Isaac is available .Magic been using him to close out games with Banchero and Wagner . Carter is the one Im hearing is available but he'd want to start over Lively.

Exum is making Green and Hardy more available with his superior play. Green and Hardy should be made available .
Indiana has young size . Obi Toppin 6'9"/25 y o , Jalen Smith is 6'9/23 y o , Isaiah Jackson 6'9",21 y o .They like all 3 of them but I think Obi Toppen can be had as they really like Jalen smith right now.

Obi Toppen 6'9"/220# ,6'8 million 25 y o for Jaden Hardy 6'3" /198# 21 y o. 1.7 million and Josh Green 6'5"/200 # 23 y o 4.7 million

Then start :
Luka 6'7" 7'2" wingspan
Kyrie 6'2
Exum 6'6" 6'9 1/4 Wingspan
Toppin 6'9" 7'2" wingspan
Lively 7'1" 7'7" wingspan

with THJ ,DJJ,GWill coming off the bench

[Mike lorenzo]

I would rather fear Collins than Stewart especially if it doesn't cost an FRP (Stewart will do it)...I like Collins especially because I think we could put Holmes/Maxi and possibly Green in the process..which even saves us future money.. Collins starts at 4 and backs up 5. this leaves us in the summer with THJ(expiring)+G.Williams +Hardy + our FRPs to offer it to the RAPTORS by OG in a ST..

Lively/Collins(Powell)
Collins/O-Max
OG/DJJ?
KI/Curry
Luka/Exum

[Bob8]

Yea i like Issac a lot, and really respect the character by everything ive read about him. He was the guy i was hoping for in 2017 before Orl snatched him up ahead of us. Not sure what we could offer, but Mavs should definitely initiate a call

You're talking about Issac, who has played 165 games in 7 seasons and is more interested in religion than in basketball?

I didnt discount his injury history, its a massive worry. Just like Im worries about Kyrie's, the proof is there. Issac brings so much defensively when he does play, and yea religion and character matter to me, shoot me.

I would say that joy for basketball is more important for basketball player than religion. Someone taking off more or less 4 years isn't looking like he likes basketball that much.

You can't compare Issak to Kyrie. Kyrie didn't play more than 50 games only twice in his career. Issak has played 50+ games only once.

[daoneandonly]

You're talking about Issac, who has played 165 games in 7 seasons and is more interested in religion than in basketball?

I didnt discount his injury history, its a massive worry. Just like Im worries about Kyrie's, the proof is there. Issac brings so much defensively when he does play, and yea religion and character matter to me, shoot me.

I would say that joy for basketball is more important for basketball player than religion. Someone taking off more or less 4 years isn't looking like he likes basketball that much.

You can't compare Issak to Kyrie. Kyrie didn't play more than 50 games only twice in his career. Issak has played 50+ games only once.

Basketball skill, loving the game, availability, all extremely important. I think character is as well, which tends to feed into work ethic and working hard. Something we know a player we already have on this team, drafted in 2020, doesnt have. So partly why i bring up that, also so many unlikable guys in the league from a character perspective; PG13, Edwards, Zion, Harden, Draymond; nice to see a young guy with a good head on his shoulders.

[Mavrelous]

I would say that joy for basketball is more important for basketball player than religion. Someone taking off more or less 4 years isn't looking like he likes basketball that much.

John Stockton and Hakeem were very religious but also professionals and commited to their job, but Isaac is way too politically active while playing for my liking...

[Bob8]

I didnt discount his injury history, its a massive worry. Just like Im worries about Kyrie's, the proof is there. Issac brings so much defensively when he does play, and yea religion and character matter to me, shoot me.

I would say that joy for basketball is more important for basketball player than religion. Someone taking off more or less 4 years isn't looking like he likes basketball that much.

You can't compare Issak to Kyrie. Kyrie didn't play more than 50 games only twice in his career. Issak has played 50+ games only once.

Basketball skill, loving the game, availability, all extremely important. I think character is as well, which tends to feed into work ethic and working hard. Something we know a player we already have on this team, drafted in 2020, doesnt have. So partly why i bring up that, also so many unlikable guys in the league from a character perspective; PG13, Edwards, Zion, Harden, Draymond; nice to see a young guy with a good head on his shoulders.

Fat guy drafted in 2018, who you desperately didn't want, has played 200+ games more than Isaac coming in league before him. And the fat, lazy guy is getting better every year, while your hard working guy is still averaging 6/4.

Edit, I see you changed 2018 draft to 2020.

[Bob8]

I would say that joy for basketball is more important for basketball player than religion. Someone taking off more or less 4 years isn't looking like he likes basketball that much.

John Stockton and Hakeem were very religious but also professionals and commited to their job, but Isaac is way too politically active while playing for my liking...

To be honest, he's not playing that much.

[daoneandonly]

I would say that joy for basketball is more important for basketball player than religion. Someone taking off more or less 4 years isn't looking like he likes basketball that much.

You can't compare Issak to Kyrie. Kyrie didn't play more than 50 games only twice in his career. Issak has played 50+ games only once.

Basketball skill, loving the game, availability, all extremely important. I think character is as well, which tends to feed into work ethic and working hard. Something we know a player we already have on this team, drafted in 2020, doesnt have. So partly why i bring up that, also so many unlikable guys in the league from a character perspective; PG13, Edwards, Zion, Harden, Draymond; nice to see a young guy with a good head on his shoulders.

Fat guy drafted in 2018, who you desperately didn't want, has played 200+ games more than Isaac coming in league before him. And the fat, lazy guy is getting better every year, while your hard working guy is still averaging 6/4.

Edit, I see you changed 2018 draft to 2020.

Yea i meant 2020, as in Josh Green. Even the 2nd rounder that year was a train wreck

[dirkforpres]

I would say that joy for basketball is more important for basketball player than religion. Someone taking off more or less 4 years isn't looking like he likes basketball that much.

John Stockton and Hakeem were very religious but also professionals and commited to their job, but Isaac is way too politically active while playing for my liking...

Well our new owners are right wing fanatics so maybe he will finally feel heard here.

[dirkforpres]

Was talking about Detroit, they have tons of cap space, and they are killing their franchise player with the lack of spacing in the team, they need real stuff.
ORL should trade Isaac for THJ, I'm not sure Mavs should.

Doesnt really matter if Detroit has a ton of cap, because no marquee FA is going to sign up for that trainwreck anytime soon. Honestly, their best bet is to model OKC from a few years ago and absorb other team's bad contracts with draft compensation attached. Steward at least has value and can fetch a pick in return. If the Mavs can turn THJ, Holmes, and a first into Bojan and Stewart, that would be a huge win IMO

It would be huge, if Bojan wasn't 35 in few months.

Regardless of his age, hes still very efficient, the contract is only partially guaranteed after this year, and if thats all it cost to bring 2 spot starters in then Nico would be insane to balk at it.

[41Dirk41]

Can Steward defend? I mean, for real.

[LaSheed]

Can Steward defend? I mean, for real.

Yes he can. Dude is as strong as an ox too. But sometimes he uses his muscles instead of his brain. 23 losses in a row will do that.

Just don't ask him to put the ball on the floor. Instant turnover. With Luka/Kyrie he will get all the open looks in which he has been really expanding his game.

Seen a post where Detroit should build the OKC way. Our GM likes to settle for 2nd round picks and take on deals. It's awful. But we need Vets that can come in and essentially run the daycare that Troy Weaver has built for us.

[tleikheen]

Isaiah Stewart was described as a below the rim player despite his size and heavy footed .We have that already in Grant Williams ......

[Mavrelous]

Seen a post where Detroit should build the OKC way. Our GM likes to settle for 2nd round picks and take on deals. It's awful. But we need Vets that can come in and essentially run the daycare that Troy Weaver has built for us.

We know, your GM is the primary reason Brunson isn't a Meverick which sucks for both of us, he could've thrown the money at him, he would've been perfect fit next to Cade.

[LaSheed]

Seen a post where Detroit should build the OKC way. Our GM likes to settle for 2nd round picks and take on deals. It's awful. But we need Vets that can come in and essentially run the daycare that Troy Weaver has built for us.

We know, your GM is the primary reason Brunson isn't a Meverick which sucks for both of us, he could've thrown the money at him, he would've been perfect fit next to Cade.

Was pounding the table screaming sign Brunson. Not to mention we were interested in Cam Johnson only to take on Joe Harris which allowed Brooklyn to resign him for the small price of a couple 2nds. Ugh