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RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)

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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#61 » by UglyBugBall » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:24 pm

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Its easy to throw stats like that and conveiently leave off that DFS is facing starters most of the time and Green si facing fellow bench guys. Which even further shows how sorry he is that he cant even put up big numbers against 2nd units.


Then go check the lineups.

Green is featured in only two negative lineup combinations on this team. He's simply a high impact guy and i'm absolutely puzzled how you can't see that lol. Literally every statistic out there offensive/defensive/advanced/impact and even eye test will show you that. Yet you claim otherwise :-?


When he plays at 1/4th of the level of Bane or Maxey, I'll concede and we cna revisit


Cuz DFS does right?

Fact is we don't have Maxey. We have DFS and we have Green. Since we can't insert Maxy into our lineup, the question is how we rotate the players we do have and not those we don't have.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#62 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:25 pm

OMG you are obsessed with Bane and Maxey :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#63 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:29 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:OMG you are obsessed with Bane and Maxey :lol: :lol: :lol:


Just like you are with Lauri my fellow Mav Fan. We could have had him for Maxi like you said. We could have had Bane or maxey for FREE, all it would have taken is a little scouting. Bane's school is right down the street from the Mavs. And everybody who watched 2 min of college basketball had maxey rated higher than green
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#64 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:32 pm

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Then go check the lineups.

Green is featured in only two negative lineup combinations on this team. He's simply a high impact guy and i'm absolutely puzzled how you can't see that lol. Literally every statistic out there offensive/defensive/advanced/impact and even eye test will show you that. Yet you claim otherwise :-?


When he plays at 1/4th of the level of Bane or Maxey, I'll concede and we cna revisit


Cuz DFS does right?

Fact is we don't have Maxey. We have DFS and we have Green. Since we can't insert Maxy into our lineup, the question is how we rotate the players we do have and not those we don't have.


DFS has ourperformed eveyrone drafted after him, Green hasnt sniffed it. Thats called Mamba mentality. DFS has some of it, Josh has zero. Thats why he didnt play a lick for the Australian team in the last Olympics, even that coach knew he wasnt worthy of getting minutes over non NBA players.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#65 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:51 pm

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41Dirk41 wrote:OMG you are obsessed with Bane and Maxey :lol: :lol: :lol:


Just like you are with Lauri my fellow Mav Fan. We could have had him for Maxi like you said. We could have had Bane or maxey for FREE, all it would have taken is a little scouting. Bane's school is right down the street from the Mavs. And everybody who watched 2 min of college basketball had maxey rated higher than green


The difference is i never said that drafting Green over Bane and Maxey was good but you said something about Maxi and Markkanen :lol: :lol: :lol:

Drafting Green over those guys was a mistake but now it's late and talk about that draft is useless.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#66 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:51 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
When he plays at 1/4th of the level of Bane or Maxey, I'll concede and we cna revisit


Cuz DFS does right?

Fact is we don't have Maxey. We have DFS and we have Green. Since we can't insert Maxy into our lineup, the question is how we rotate the players we do have and not those we don't have.


DFS has ourperformed eveyrone drafted after him, Green hasnt sniffed it. Thats called Mamba mentality. DFS has some of it, Josh has zero. Thats why he didnt play a lick for the Australian team in the last Olympics, even that coach knew he wasnt worthy of getting minutes over non NBA players.


OMG mamba mentality :banghead:
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#67 » by UglyBugBall » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:55 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
When he plays at 1/4th of the level of Bane or Maxey, I'll concede and we cna revisit


Cuz DFS does right?

Fact is we don't have Maxey. We have DFS and we have Green. Since we can't insert Maxy into our lineup, the question is how we rotate the players we do have and not those we don't have.


DFS has ourperformed eveyrone drafted after him, Green hasnt sniffed it. Thats called Mamba mentality. DFS has some of it, Josh has zero. Thats why he didnt play a lick for the Australian team in the last Olympics, even that coach knew he wasnt worthy of getting minutes over non NBA players.


Oh boy, never thought I'd read the words DFS and mamba in the same sentence.

If DFS is a Kobe-esque hard worker, then why has he been essentially the exact same player for the past four seasons?

What's he been working on?

You're elevating him based on going to the WCF last year as if he was the primary reason that happened. But let's be real, he wasnt even a top 3 guy in that run.

He wasn't freaking Kobe of 00 like you're making it seem.

Outperforming rock bottom expectations that come with your low draft position isn't super impressive. Also, I'm not sure why you're giving a guy credit for coming into to league with such low expectations, but I digress.

What does it matter anyway?

Fact is their value isnt based on where they were drafted. Players are valued by their current level of production and future upside - and greens current production is comparable to DFS while being 7 years younger.

Maybe if DFS had been working on his game these past 4 years like a real mamba we wouldn't be comparing him to 'bums' like Green.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#68 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:58 pm

UglyBugBall wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:
Cuz DFS does right?

Fact is we don't have Maxey. We have DFS and we have Green. Since we can't insert Maxy into our lineup, the question is how we rotate the players we do have and not those we don't have.


DFS has ourperformed eveyrone drafted after him, Green hasnt sniffed it. Thats called Mamba mentality. DFS has some of it, Josh has zero. Thats why he didnt play a lick for the Australian team in the last Olympics, even that coach knew he wasnt worthy of getting minutes over non NBA players.


Oh boy, never thought I'd read the words DFS and mamba in the same sentence.

If DFS is a Kobe-esque hard worker, then why has he been essentially the exact same player for the past four seasons?

What's he been working on?

You're elevating him based on going to the WCF last year as if he was the primary reason that happened. But let's be real, he wasnt even a top 3 guy in that run.

He wasn't freaking Kobe of 00 like you're making it seem.

Outperforming rock bottom expectations that come with your low draft position isn't super impressive. Also, I'm not sure why you're giving a guy credit for coming into to league with such low expectations, but I digress.

What does it matter anyway?

Fact is their value isnt based on where they were drafted. Players are valued by their current level of production and future upside - and greens current production is comparable to DFS while being 7 years younger.

Maybe if DFS had been working on his game these past 4 years like a real mamba we wouldn't be comparing him to 'bums' like Green.


We can end things here. You clearly cant appreciate what DFS has contributed to this team for years because u have the mindset many fans do, what have u done for me lately? Thats the cancel culture world we live in unfortunatley

And I'll never come around on Green. He was one of the worst rookies that ever played the game, so him "improving" from that means about as much as something Chuck Shumer or Kamala Harris would say.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#69 » by Teffer10 » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:16 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:It's kind of funny that we are arguing between the better of two bench caliber players.
DFS is a starter because the FO views him of such and has never addressed one of the real problems on this team.
Green might or might not become starter material but my guess is not.

The problem imo is that we have way too many of those caliber players on this team.
We have Luka/Wood and a bunch of bench caliber players on this team which makes us a very average team.


Unfortunatley Wood is also a bench guy to his utter disregard for defense

The issue is the FO and scouting. If they had the wherewithall to know that Bane and Maxey would be better than Green, most mocks had maxey higher btw, then we wouldnt be having this discussion

That is really the main issue....we have too many one dimensional players.
If you start DFS you suffer offense, if you start Wood you suffer defense.

DFS is starter material if you have 3 stars that can score. We obviously don't have that. Bullock and Green don't change that.
Dinwiddie, Kemba and Hardaway are not good enough offensively to warrant starting guys like DFS, Bullock or Green.

Personally, I'd like to see the FO focus on Luka's prime years 25-32 and load this team up with players in the 20-26 age range. Most of the guys on this team will be deep into their 30s when Luka hits his peak and it's not like any of them will improve between now and then.
That's why I wouldn't mind building this thing around Luka and Hardy and possibly Green. Then go after a young stud center and try to find a decent young PF using some of these role players as bait.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST) 

Post#70 » by UglyBugBall » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:25 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
DFS has ourperformed eveyrone drafted after him, Green hasnt sniffed it. Thats called Mamba mentality. DFS has some of it, Josh has zero. Thats why he didnt play a lick for the Australian team in the last Olympics, even that coach knew he wasnt worthy of getting minutes over non NBA players.


Oh boy, never thought I'd read the words DFS and mamba in the same sentence.

If DFS is a Kobe-esque hard worker, then why has he been essentially the exact same player for the past four seasons?

What's he been working on?

You're elevating him based on going to the WCF last year as if he was the primary reason that happened. But let's be real, he wasnt even a top 3 guy in that run.

He wasn't freaking Kobe of 00 like you're making it seem.

Outperforming rock bottom expectations that come with your low draft position isn't super impressive. Also, I'm not sure why you're giving a guy credit for coming into to league with such low expectations, but I digress.

What does it matter anyway?

Fact is their value isnt based on where they were drafted. Players are valued by their current level of production and future upside - and greens current production is comparable to DFS while being 7 years younger.

Maybe if DFS had been working on his game these past 4 years like a real mamba we wouldn't be comparing him to 'bums' like Green.


We can end things here. You clearly cant appreciate what DFS has contributed to this team for years because u have the mindset many fans do, what have u done for me lately? Thats the cancel culture world we live in unfortunatley

And I'll never come around on Green. He was one of the worst rookies that ever played the game, so him "improving" from that means about as much as something Chuck Shumer or Kamala Harris would say.


DFS has been a decent contributor these past years. But let's be real, we're talking about contributions that roughly 150 other guys in the league could have given us in other ways. Contributions you would have expected him to give at 27 years of age and limited role.

He's definitely been better than Bullock, but that's a low bar to cross and it's not the bar you keep holding him to anyway. Your bar has been Green. And Greens bar has been Maxy.

The reason you'll never come around on Green is because you're not judging these guys based on any semblance of critical thinking. Any kind of thinking at all would do really.

You don't have to dig that hard either.

Comparing their age, contracts and any stat line along with a good old fashioned eye test would pretty much do it.

I don't hate DFS and nobody cancelled him. He was a solid guy last year and he's been alright this year. He has a place on the team, and he might still be slightly better than Green right now.

But Green is younger, can do more things and is a lot cheaper than DFS. He's more valuable all things considered and that gap is only going to grow.

It's really not close who I'd like to have going forward if I had to pick one, and it really shouldnt be close for you either.

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