RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Jazz (Tuesd, 8:30PM EST)

[JWillTheFreak]

Luka's turning into Russell Westbrook. Has good numbers but doesnt impact winning. Kinda similar to Nikola Vucevic who at times gets 25 and 10 but doesnt really do anything. Im not saying Luka is bad, but more like he doesnt know how to play within a system becauae he is used to being the only system. If the team is running and playing like a well oiled machine, the last thing you want to do is suddenly slow the game down the next possession and be a black hole. Just read the room.

To be fair, during certain parts of the last game, Mavs were like 3rd in the NBA in offense and 29th in defense. That says a lot. So defense is still a problem, we all knew this going in. That will be addressed in the summer. But for now, Luka has to learn how to mesh his game with the rest. He's the one who pushed for thr Kyrie trade, him and Kidd. So there has to be a way for him to make it work without running the whole game I think. There is no scientific way for Luka to survive a running game for 40 mins. So on offense when he doesnt have the ball, maybe he can set screens instead of waiting for a kick out pass. He's hefty enough to set screens. He wont be pushed around easily.

That is certainly a basketball take. It is something that was said about the sport of basketball. Unfortunately the forum rules and terms of service on this forum prevent me giving this the proper shredding that this deserves. Arkuo I generally think you have some alright opinions so I'll just have to chalk this one up to it being 2 am when you posted this. It's okay bud we will all turn the other way for a minute so you can delete this real fast.

Luka does slow down the offense, it's true Luka slows down the pace but that is also often a good thing. In the first few games with Kyrie yeah the Mavs were faster but they were also out of control just as often.

Yes Luka tunnel visions and ISOs but he most does that when he has a mismatch. If Luka gets a smaller guard in the post or a center on the perimeter he should ISO them every time.

This season while Luka has been on the floor Dallas has been the best offense in the league, with out him they were the worst. He had a 60-20-10 game to beat the Knicks while Tim Hardaway was guarding Julius Randle all night. To compare that to Westbrooks stat padding or Vucevic's lack of impact shows a fundamental lack of basketball knowledge. I fear for your safety bud, you're only a few more takes like this away from having the same level of respect as Skip Bayless.

All Im saying is he needs to learn how to play with a system with another star and stop complaining. We all know what Luka can do on offense alone prior to the trade. Getting 40 points is easy when the ball is in your hands 19 seconds for every 24. Suddenly 60 pts in an over time win doesn't look too impressive when you have these guys below:

Damian Lillard 71 pts (Feb 23)- in 39 mins
Donovan Mitchell 71 pts (Jan 2) in 49 mins
Damian Lillard 60 pts (Jan 25) - in 39 mins
Joel Embiid 59 pts (Nov 13) - in 36 mins
Anthony Davis 55 pts (Dec 4) - in 37 mins
Giannis Antetokuompo 54 pts (Feb 2) in 36 mins
Luka Doncic 60 pts (Dec 27) in 47 mins

Luka was the only guy to do in extended minutes due to overtime. So naturally you're scoring more because you have the ball in your hands most of the time while the other 4 guys stand around waiting for a kick out pass. You really want to go back to that type of play? I like the faster pace of the game now, Sacramento is running more and they are one of the top teams in the west. When Domas Sabonis looks lighter and runs faster than Luka Doncic, I think you gotta cut back on the pizza a bit. Then hopefully Kidd can make Luka do more things on offense rather than hang around 39 feet away from the basket when Kyrie has the ball and be the first to run back on defense (like he actually defends - C'mon now, let's be real here). I need to see more variations from Luka on offense when playing with another star - not just staggered iso plays. I say this coming from watching a lot of Jokic and Jamal Murray two man games and pick and rolls. Jokic doesn't have the ball in his hands for 19 seconds, he makes himself useful by setting picks and grabbing boards, I just think its a more seamless fit. Luka looks like he's 275 lbs. and cant set a single screen all game. He watches from the 3 point line. If a back to back MVP like Jokic can do it, why cant Luka? Now whether that's on Luka or Kidd is another question. But we cant use the Luka is a savant card every time but blame Kidd on the same scenario too. I need the guy to focus on the game more rather than just expecting other superstar treatment. He'll get his flowers once he wins his ring and that will naturally come. But now he just has to keep his head in the game and not clown coaches like Rick Carlisle only to lose the same game afterwards. It makes him look bad and we both don't want any of that. The guy was chirping with Carlisle and ended the game with an L. How do you get behind that? He's got more things to figure out internally with the team rather than talking externally with other factors. So before he preoccupies himself with all that pro wrestling chest thumping nonsense, just use that energy to find a more suitable way to make things work seamlessly. Its better all around. When he has that stuff nailed down, then sure he can grab a microphone and call out anyone in the league like The Rock in WWE.

Why you only using minutes post the shot attempts and the efficiency that they got those numbers... luka also had 20 boards and 10 dimes... I like how you cherry pick stats.

[arkuo]

That is certainly a basketball take. It is something that was said about the sport of basketball. Unfortunately the forum rules and terms of service on this forum prevent me giving this the proper shredding that this deserves. Arkuo I generally think you have some alright opinions so I'll just have to chalk this one up to it being 2 am when you posted this. It's okay bud we will all turn the other way for a minute so you can delete this real fast.

Luka does slow down the offense, it's true Luka slows down the pace but that is also often a good thing. In the first few games with Kyrie yeah the Mavs were faster but they were also out of control just as often.

Yes Luka tunnel visions and ISOs but he most does that when he has a mismatch. If Luka gets a smaller guard in the post or a center on the perimeter he should ISO them every time.

This season while Luka has been on the floor Dallas has been the best offense in the league, with out him they were the worst. He had a 60-20-10 game to beat the Knicks while Tim Hardaway was guarding Julius Randle all night. To compare that to Westbrooks stat padding or Vucevic's lack of impact shows a fundamental lack of basketball knowledge. I fear for your safety bud, you're only a few more takes like this away from having the same level of respect as Skip Bayless.

All Im saying is he needs to learn how to play with a system with another star and stop complaining. We all know what Luka can do on offense alone prior to the trade. Getting 40 points is easy when the ball is in your hands 19 seconds for every 24. Suddenly 60 pts in an over time win doesn't look too impressive when you have these guys below:

Damian Lillard 71 pts (Feb 23)- in 39 mins
Donovan Mitchell 71 pts (Jan 2) in 49 mins
Damian Lillard 60 pts (Jan 25) - in 39 mins
Joel Embiid 59 pts (Nov 13) - in 36 mins
Anthony Davis 55 pts (Dec 4) - in 37 mins
Giannis Antetokuompo 54 pts (Feb 2) in 36 mins
Luka Doncic 60 pts (Dec 27) in 47 mins

Luka was the only guy to do in extended minutes due to overtime. So naturally you're scoring more because you have the ball in your hands most of the time while the other 4 guys stand around waiting for a kick out pass. You really want to go back to that type of play? I like the faster pace of the game now, Sacramento is running more and they are one of the top teams in the west. When Domas Sabonis looks lighter and runs faster than Luka Doncic, I think you gotta cut back on the pizza a bit. Then hopefully Kidd can make Luka do more things on offense rather than hang around 39 feet away from the basket when Kyrie has the ball and be the first to run back on defense (like he actually defends - C'mon now, let's be real here). I need to see more variations from Luka on offense when playing with another star - not just staggered iso plays. I say this coming from watching a lot of Jokic and Jamal Murray two man games and pick and rolls. Jokic doesn't have the ball in his hands for 19 seconds, he makes himself useful by setting picks and grabbing boards, I just think its a more seamless fit. Luka looks like he's 275 lbs. and cant set a single screen all game. He watches from the 3 point line. If a back to back MVP like Jokic can do it, why cant Luka? Now whether that's on Luka or Kidd is another question. But we cant use the Luka is a savant card every time but blame Kidd on the same scenario too. I need the guy to focus on the game more rather than just expecting other superstar treatment. He'll get his flowers once he wins his ring and that will naturally come. But now he just has to keep his head in the game and not clown coaches like Rick Carlisle only to lose the same game afterwards. It makes him look bad and we both don't want any of that. The guy was chirping with Carlisle and ended the game with an L. How do you get behind that? He's got more things to figure out internally with the team rather than talking externally with other factors. So before he preoccupies himself with all that pro wrestling chest thumping nonsense, just use that energy to find a more suitable way to make things work seamlessly. Its better all around. When he has that stuff nailed down, then sure he can grab a microphone and call out anyone in the league like The Rock in WWE.

Why you only using minutes post the shot attempts and the efficiency that they got those numbers... luka also had 20 boards and 10 dimes... I like how you cherry pick stats.

Im already splitting hair here nitpicking, but the point is, would you rather argue on who can score the most points when? If that's the case then hand Luka a ring for most points scored already.

My point is, watching the top 2 western conference teams, Jokic and Sabonis have managed to get the ball moving without having the ball in their hands 19 seconds every possession. It's just more synergy without having to slow the game down every now and then. Heck, Sacramento doesnt even play with a real center anymore. They got Domas at C who cant even defend anything, but he is able to move to ball to cutters without having to dance back and fourth with the ball for a step back 3. And they are 2nd in the West just by doing that. I think that type of play is more suitable for Luka rather than asking him to be like Lebron who can jump out of the gym. But instead of asking Luka to expand his game, you got guys throwing scoring numbers and justifying him standing 39 feet from the basket watching isos. Is it too bad to ask for him to expand his game to suit the team? I think Sacramento is a nice comparison because Domas doesnt play defense too.

To go back on topic on this game, Luka scoreless in the 4th. Kyrie 17 pts ok like 5 shots. I like the quicker pace. Luka can get his numbers during the early quarters. Then if Kyrie closes out, that should be fine.

[JWillTheFreak]

I get what your saying but Sabonis and Jokic are big man while luka is a point forward they have different play styles. I would agree with you if he was inefficient on offense but he is one of the most efficient players in the game... The Mavs roster is just one dimensional players besides kyrie, they all are basically three point shooters.

[BeiBeau]

Luka's turning into Russell Westbrook. Has good numbers but doesnt impact winning. Kinda similar to Nikola Vucevic who at times gets 25 and 10 but doesnt really do anything. Im not saying Luka is bad, but more like he doesnt know how to play within a system becauae he is used to being the only system. If the team is running and playing like a well oiled machine, the last thing you want to do is suddenly slow the game down the next possession and be a black hole. Just read the room.

To be fair, during certain parts of the last game, Mavs were like 3rd in the NBA in offense and 29th in defense. That says a lot. So defense is still a problem, we all knew this going in. That will be addressed in the summer. But for now, Luka has to learn how to mesh his game with the rest. He's the one who pushed for thr Kyrie trade, him and Kidd. So there has to be a way for him to make it work without running the whole game I think. There is no scientific way for Luka to survive a running game for 40 mins. So on offense when he doesnt have the ball, maybe he can set screens instead of waiting for a kick out pass. He's hefty enough to set screens. He wont be pushed around easily.

That is certainly a basketball take. It is something that was said about the sport of basketball. Unfortunately the forum rules and terms of service on this forum prevent me giving this the proper shredding that this deserves. Arkuo I generally think you have some alright opinions so I'll just have to chalk this one up to it being 2 am when you posted this. It's okay bud we will all turn the other way for a minute so you can delete this real fast.

Luka does slow down the offense, it's true Luka slows down the pace but that is also often a good thing. In the first few games with Kyrie yeah the Mavs were faster but they were also out of control just as often.

Yes Luka tunnel visions and ISOs but he most does that when he has a mismatch. If Luka gets a smaller guard in the post or a center on the perimeter he should ISO them every time.

This season while Luka has been on the floor Dallas has been the best offense in the league, with out him they were the worst. He had a 60-20-10 game to beat the Knicks while Tim Hardaway was guarding Julius Randle all night. To compare that to Westbrooks stat padding or Vucevic's lack of impact shows a fundamental lack of basketball knowledge. I fear for your safety bud, you're only a few more takes like this away from having the same level of respect as Skip Bayless.

All Im saying is he needs to learn how to play with a system with another star and stop complaining. We all know what Luka can do on offense alone prior to the trade. Getting 40 points is easy when the ball is in your hands 19 seconds for every 24. Suddenly 60 pts in an over time win doesn't look too impressive when you have these guys below:

Damian Lillard 71 pts (Feb 23)- in 39 mins
Donovan Mitchell 71 pts (Jan 2) in 49 mins
Damian Lillard 60 pts (Jan 25) - in 39 mins
Joel Embiid 59 pts (Nov 13) - in 36 mins
Anthony Davis 55 pts (Dec 4) - in 37 mins
Giannis Antetokuompo 54 pts (Feb 2) in 36 mins
Luka Doncic 60 pts (Dec 27) in 47 mins

Luka was the only guy to do in extended minutes due to overtime. So naturally you're scoring more because you have the ball in your hands most of the time while the other 4 guys stand around waiting for a kick out pass. You really want to go back to that type of play? I like the faster pace of the game now, Sacramento is running more and they are one of the top teams in the west. When Domas Sabonis looks lighter and runs faster than Luka Doncic, I think you gotta cut back on the pizza a bit. Then hopefully Kidd can make Luka do more things on offense rather than hang around 39 feet away from the basket when Kyrie has the ball and be the first to run back on defense (like he actually defends - C'mon now, let's be real here). I need to see more variations from Luka on offense when playing with another star - not just staggered iso plays. I say this coming from watching a lot of Jokic and Jamal Murray two man games and pick and rolls. Jokic doesn't have the ball in his hands for 19 seconds, he makes himself useful by setting picks and grabbing boards, I just think its a more seamless fit. Luka looks like he's 275 lbs. and cant set a single screen all game. He watches from the 3 point line. If a back to back MVP like Jokic can do it, why cant Luka? Now whether that's on Luka or Kidd is another question. But we cant use the Luka is a savant card every time but blame Kidd on the same scenario too. I need the guy to focus on the game more rather than just expecting other superstar treatment. He'll get his flowers once he wins his ring and that will naturally come. But now he just has to keep his head in the game and not clown coaches like Rick Carlisle only to lose the same game afterwards. It makes him look bad and we both don't want any of that. The guy was chirping with Carlisle and ended the game with an L. How do you get behind that? He's got more things to figure out internally with the team rather than talking externally with other factors. So before he preoccupies himself with all that pro wrestling chest thumping nonsense, just use that energy to find a more suitable way to make things work seamlessly. Its better all around. When he has that stuff nailed down, then sure he can grab a microphone and call out anyone in the league like The Rock in WWE.

Oooooffff. All righty then. The best way to respond to Skip Bayless level takes is just drown it with rationality.

1. Even with the context of the scoring explosion we have seen this year. Luka's 60-20-10 game is the only 60-20-10 game in NBA history. Calling it unimpressive is..... a thought..... it's not a smart thought but it is a thought that popped into your head. And unlike Westbrook who you compared him to earlier, none of it was stat padding, Dallas needed every bit of it.

2. No, no one including Luka wants to go back to that type of play. The thing that you're forgetting because you're vomiting hot takes worse then Kendrick Perkins or Skip Bayless right now is that Luka has had a 2nd star for exactly 8 games in his career so far. Do we need more movement? Yes. Do we need more designed plays? Yes. Is Kidd the guy to get that done? I'm not sure. Does Luka step out of line? Yes. But the only thing that is 100 percent certain is that it's not going to be perfect over night. It's going to have a lot of ups and even more downs. Rome and the Warriors system wasn't built in a day. If you're going to cry every time Luka goes 29-10-6 on a down night defensively and shooting wise then you're gonna cry a lot.

Just try to focus more on actual basketball and less on fake narratives.

[arkuo]

I get what your saying but Sabonis and Jokic are big man while luka is a point forward they have different play styles. I would agree with you if he was inefficient on offense but he is one of the most efficient players in the game... The Mavs roster is just one dimensional players besides kyrie, they all are basically three point shooters.

I think Luka can adapt here. He hasnt set a single screen to run a two man game, like ever. Lets try it out first before we shoot the idea down.

I think that dribble hand off can be done. Luka has enough heft to set a screen and hand off becauae he is a good paaser too. Anyone can run off that screen, THJ plays like Huerter, Kyrie runs off screens like Iverson, he can take advantage of that as well.

[JWillTheFreak]

I get what your saying but Sabonis and Jokic are big man while luka is a point forward they have different play styles. I would agree with you if he was inefficient on offense but he is one of the most efficient players in the game... The Mavs roster is just one dimensional players besides kyrie, they all are basically three point shooters.

I think Luka can adapt here. He hasnt set a single screen to run a two man game, like ever. Lets try it out first before we shoot the idea down.

I think that dribble hand off can be done. Luka has enough heft to set a screen and hand off becauae he is a good paaser too. Anyone can run off that screen, THJ plays like Huerter, Kyrie runs off screens like Iverson, he can take advantage of that as well.

He set a few screens for Kyrie but thats about it! It's worth a try anything is better than just taking 3s!

[arkuo]

That is certainly a basketball take. It is something that was said about the sport of basketball. Unfortunately the forum rules and terms of service on this forum prevent me giving this the proper shredding that this deserves. Arkuo I generally think you have some alright opinions so I'll just have to chalk this one up to it being 2 am when you posted this. It's okay bud we will all turn the other way for a minute so you can delete this real fast.

Luka does slow down the offense, it's true Luka slows down the pace but that is also often a good thing. In the first few games with Kyrie yeah the Mavs were faster but they were also out of control just as often.

Yes Luka tunnel visions and ISOs but he most does that when he has a mismatch. If Luka gets a smaller guard in the post or a center on the perimeter he should ISO them every time.

This season while Luka has been on the floor Dallas has been the best offense in the league, with out him they were the worst. He had a 60-20-10 game to beat the Knicks while Tim Hardaway was guarding Julius Randle all night. To compare that to Westbrooks stat padding or Vucevic's lack of impact shows a fundamental lack of basketball knowledge. I fear for your safety bud, you're only a few more takes like this away from having the same level of respect as Skip Bayless.

All Im saying is he needs to learn how to play with a system with another star and stop complaining. We all know what Luka can do on offense alone prior to the trade. Getting 40 points is easy when the ball is in your hands 19 seconds for every 24. Suddenly 60 pts in an over time win doesn't look too impressive when you have these guys below:

Damian Lillard 71 pts (Feb 23)- in 39 mins
Donovan Mitchell 71 pts (Jan 2) in 49 mins
Damian Lillard 60 pts (Jan 25) - in 39 mins
Joel Embiid 59 pts (Nov 13) - in 36 mins
Anthony Davis 55 pts (Dec 4) - in 37 mins
Giannis Antetokuompo 54 pts (Feb 2) in 36 mins
Luka Doncic 60 pts (Dec 27) in 47 mins

Luka was the only guy to do in extended minutes due to overtime. So naturally you're scoring more because you have the ball in your hands most of the time while the other 4 guys stand around waiting for a kick out pass. You really want to go back to that type of play? I like the faster pace of the game now, Sacramento is running more and they are one of the top teams in the west. When Domas Sabonis looks lighter and runs faster than Luka Doncic, I think you gotta cut back on the pizza a bit. Then hopefully Kidd can make Luka do more things on offense rather than hang around 39 feet away from the basket when Kyrie has the ball and be the first to run back on defense (like he actually defends - C'mon now, let's be real here). I need to see more variations from Luka on offense when playing with another star - not just staggered iso plays. I say this coming from watching a lot of Jokic and Jamal Murray two man games and pick and rolls. Jokic doesn't have the ball in his hands for 19 seconds, he makes himself useful by setting picks and grabbing boards, I just think its a more seamless fit. Luka looks like he's 275 lbs. and cant set a single screen all game. He watches from the 3 point line. If a back to back MVP like Jokic can do it, why cant Luka? Now whether that's on Luka or Kidd is another question. But we cant use the Luka is a savant card every time but blame Kidd on the same scenario too. I need the guy to focus on the game more rather than just expecting other superstar treatment. He'll get his flowers once he wins his ring and that will naturally come. But now he just has to keep his head in the game and not clown coaches like Rick Carlisle only to lose the same game afterwards. It makes him look bad and we both don't want any of that. The guy was chirping with Carlisle and ended the game with an L. How do you get behind that? He's got more things to figure out internally with the team rather than talking externally with other factors. So before he preoccupies himself with all that pro wrestling chest thumping nonsense, just use that energy to find a more suitable way to make things work seamlessly. Its better all around. When he has that stuff nailed down, then sure he can grab a microphone and call out anyone in the league like The Rock in WWE.

Oooooffff. All righty then. The best way to respond to Skip Bayless level takes is just drown it with rationality.

1. Even with the context of the scoring explosion we have seen this year. Luka's 60-20-10 game is the only 60-20-10 game in NBA history. Calling it unimpressive is..... a thought..... it's not a smart thought but it is a thought that popped into your head. And unlike Westbrook who you compared him to earlier, none of it was stat padding, Dallas needed every bit of it.

2. No, no one including Luka wants to go back to that type of play. The thing that you're forgetting because you're vomiting hot takes worse then Kendrick Perkins or Skip Bayless right now is that Luka has had a 2nd star for exactly 8 games in his career so far. Do we need more movement? Yes. Do we need more designed plays? Yes. Is Kidd the guy to get that done? I'm not sure. Does Luka step out of line? Yes. But the only thing that is 100 percent certain is that it's not going to be perfect over night. It's going to have a lot of ups and even more downs. Rome and the Warriors system wasn't built in a day. If you're going to cry every time Luka goes 29-10-6 on a down night defensively and shooting wise then you're gonna cry a lot.

Just try to focus more on actual basketball and less on fake narratives.

Just have him focus more on the game. Surely he can chirp with white boys like Carlisle and light skinned fake tough guys like Booker. But Draymond was running his mouth all game in the WCF and Luka couldnt even look at him in the eye. That was a very quiet plane ride back to Fort Worth. He cant be chirping and chest thumping selectively and we get behind that. 5 years in the league and he's still racking up technical fouls. There are holes in his game and he couldn't get his weight right. Lets not get preoccupied with trash talking the other team if we cant figure stuff out internally.

Look, if he can run his mouth against Draymond like he does with Booker, then I'm all for it 100%. Im backing him up 100% hands down.

[BeiBeau]

Luka's turning into Russell Westbrook. Has good numbers but doesnt impact winning. Kinda similar to Nikola Vucevic who at times gets 25 and 10 but doesnt really do anything. Im not saying Luka is bad, but more like he doesnt know how to play within a system becauae he is used to being the only system. If the team is running and playing like a well oiled machine, the last thing you want to do is suddenly slow the game down the next possession and be a black hole. Just read the room.

To be fair, during certain parts of the last game, Mavs were like 3rd in the NBA in offense and 29th in defense. That says a lot. So defense is still a problem, we all knew this going in. That will be addressed in the summer. But for now, Luka has to learn how to mesh his game with the rest. He's the one who pushed for thr Kyrie trade, him and Kidd. So there has to be a way for him to make it work without running the whole game I think. There is no scientific way for Luka to survive a running game for 40 mins. So on offense when he doesnt have the ball, maybe he can set screens instead of waiting for a kick out pass. He's hefty enough to set screens. He wont be pushed around easily.

That is certainly a basketball take. It is something that was said about the sport of basketball. Unfortunately the forum rules and terms of service on this forum prevent me giving this the proper shredding that this deserves. Arkuo I generally think you have some alright opinions so I'll just have to chalk this one up to it being 2 am when you posted this. It's okay bud we will all turn the other way for a minute so you can delete this real fast.

Luka does slow down the offense, it's true Luka slows down the pace but that is also often a good thing. In the first few games with Kyrie yeah the Mavs were faster but they were also out of control just as often.

Yes Luka tunnel visions and ISOs but he most does that when he has a mismatch. If Luka gets a smaller guard in the post or a center on the perimeter he should ISO them every time.

This season while Luka has been on the floor Dallas has been the best offense in the league, with out him they were the worst. He had a 60-20-10 game to beat the Knicks while Tim Hardaway was guarding Julius Randle all night. To compare that to Westbrooks stat padding or Vucevic's lack of impact shows a fundamental lack of basketball knowledge. I fear for your safety bud, you're only a few more takes like this away from having the same level of respect as Skip Bayless.

But your point has merits too man. I think if Luka can get proper usage like how Sacramento just uses Sabonis as an offensive hub at the top of the key, they way he gets the ball and flicks passes to cutters, I think that would be a more suitable role for Luka rather than just doing staggered isos, dribbling back and fourth and dancing with the ball while slowing the game down. Now this comes down to creativity and Kidd has to draw these up as well. But the Sabonis/Fox and Jokic/Murray two man games have more rhythm to it than the isos Luka and Kyrie has right now.

Watch on YouTube

Sabonis and Jokic have the same dribble hand off play where they get the ball top of the key, one dribble, set a screen and the shooter runs past them and they hand it off. Luka should be able to do this easy man. With his eyes closed. But we opt to do isos for Luka so he can do his dribble dance and step back three. Sure it will take an adjustment for Luka to be able to set a screen like Domas, but surely it can be done, no? These plays have more synergy IMO.

Best movement shooting teams in the NBA today:
Denver
Phoenix
Boston
Brooklyn
Portland
Sacramento
Philadelphia
Golden State

Dallas is close to the bottom in terms of movement along with Detroit, Miami and Milwaukee.

My god baby Skip we get it, you like the sound of your own voice so you just vomit words and hope they make something.

I don't know if you know this. But Luka is not Jokic or Sabonis. They are both big men. Jokic is 4 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier while Sabonis is 6 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier. You can call Luka fat all you want be he is not their size and does not play their position. They're big men and Luka is a point forward.

Movement is not the only way to get 3s. Dallas doesn't move around the 3pt line because their system is more focused collapsing defenses with high ball screens, dragging help defenders, and then finding open shooters.

You don't have to like that Dallas's system is less movement dependent but it is similarly effective in terms of both volume and efficiency as just about all the teams you listed.

[arkuo]

That is certainly a basketball take. It is something that was said about the sport of basketball. Unfortunately the forum rules and terms of service on this forum prevent me giving this the proper shredding that this deserves. Arkuo I generally think you have some alright opinions so I'll just have to chalk this one up to it being 2 am when you posted this. It's okay bud we will all turn the other way for a minute so you can delete this real fast.

Luka does slow down the offense, it's true Luka slows down the pace but that is also often a good thing. In the first few games with Kyrie yeah the Mavs were faster but they were also out of control just as often.

Yes Luka tunnel visions and ISOs but he most does that when he has a mismatch. If Luka gets a smaller guard in the post or a center on the perimeter he should ISO them every time.

This season while Luka has been on the floor Dallas has been the best offense in the league, with out him they were the worst. He had a 60-20-10 game to beat the Knicks while Tim Hardaway was guarding Julius Randle all night. To compare that to Westbrooks stat padding or Vucevic's lack of impact shows a fundamental lack of basketball knowledge. I fear for your safety bud, you're only a few more takes like this away from having the same level of respect as Skip Bayless.

But your point has merits too man. I think if Luka can get proper usage like how Sacramento just uses Sabonis as an offensive hub at the top of the key, they way he gets the ball and flicks passes to cutters, I think that would be a more suitable role for Luka rather than just doing staggered isos, dribbling back and fourth and dancing with the ball while slowing the game down. Now this comes down to creativity and Kidd has to draw these up as well. But the Sabonis/Fox and Jokic/Murray two man games have more rhythm to it than the isos Luka and Kyrie has right now.

Watch on YouTube

Sabonis and Jokic have the same dribble hand off play where they get the ball top of the key, one dribble, set a screen and the shooter runs past them and they hand it off. Luka should be able to do this easy man. With his eyes closed. But we opt to do isos for Luka so he can do his dribble dance and step back three. Sure it will take an adjustment for Luka to be able to set a screen like Domas, but surely it can be done, no? These plays have more synergy IMO.

Best movement shooting teams in the NBA today:
Denver
Phoenix
Boston
Brooklyn
Portland
Sacramento
Philadelphia
Golden State

Dallas is close to the bottom in terms of movement along with Detroit, Miami and Milwaukee.

My god baby Skip we get it, you like the sound of your own voice so you just vomit words and hope they make something.

I don't know if you know this. But Luka is not Jokic or Sabonis. They are both big men. Jokic is 4 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier while Sabonis is 6 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier. You can call Luka fat all you want be he is not their size and does not play their position. They're big men and Luka is a point forward.

Movement is not the only way to get 3s. Dallas doesn't move around the 3pt line because their system is more focused collapsing defenses with high ball screens, dragging help defenders, and then finding open shooters.

You don't have to like that Dallas's system is less movement dependent but it is similarly effective in terms of both volume and efficiency as just about all the teams you listed.

Luka cant seem to play with another star right, and people who call him out for going scoreless in the 4th get called baby skip. LMAO. We're into name calling now?

[arkuo]

I get what your saying but Sabonis and Jokic are big man while luka is a point forward they have different play styles. I would agree with you if he was inefficient on offense but he is one of the most efficient players in the game... The Mavs roster is just one dimensional players besides kyrie, they all are basically three point shooters.

I think Luka can adapt here. He hasnt set a single screen to run a two man game, like ever. Lets try it out first before we shoot the idea down.

I think that dribble hand off can be done. Luka has enough heft to set a screen and hand off becauae he is a good paaser too. Anyone can run off that screen, THJ plays like Huerter, Kyrie runs off screens like Iverson, he can take advantage of that as well.

He set a few screens for Kyrie but thats about it! It's worth a try anything is better than just taking 3s!

It's a good start. I think you can build off that. Luka was handed the keys to the team too early IMO. Caught it with Dirk's final years and no veteran really was there to call him out for certain mistakes.

[arkuo]

If you're going to cry every time Luka goes 29-10-6 on a down night defensively and shooting wise then you're gonna cry a lot.

Westbrook averaged a triple double for 2 years and didn't win a single ring. Impressive numbers though.

[BeiBeau]

But your point has merits too man. I think if Luka can get proper usage like how Sacramento just uses Sabonis as an offensive hub at the top of the key, they way he gets the ball and flicks passes to cutters, I think that would be a more suitable role for Luka rather than just doing staggered isos, dribbling back and fourth and dancing with the ball while slowing the game down. Now this comes down to creativity and Kidd has to draw these up as well. But the Sabonis/Fox and Jokic/Murray two man games have more rhythm to it than the isos Luka and Kyrie has right now.

Watch on YouTube

Sabonis and Jokic have the same dribble hand off play where they get the ball top of the key, one dribble, set a screen and the shooter runs past them and they hand it off. Luka should be able to do this easy man. With his eyes closed. But we opt to do isos for Luka so he can do his dribble dance and step back three. Sure it will take an adjustment for Luka to be able to set a screen like Domas, but surely it can be done, no? These plays have more synergy IMO.

Best movement shooting teams in the NBA today:
Denver
Phoenix
Boston
Brooklyn
Portland
Sacramento
Philadelphia
Golden State

Dallas is close to the bottom in terms of movement along with Detroit, Miami and Milwaukee.

My god baby Skip we get it, you like the sound of your own voice so you just vomit words and hope they make something.

I don't know if you know this. But Luka is not Jokic or Sabonis. They are both big men. Jokic is 4 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier while Sabonis is 6 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier. You can call Luka fat all you want be he is not their size and does not play their position. They're big men and Luka is a point forward.

Movement is not the only way to get 3s. Dallas doesn't move around the 3pt line because their system is more focused collapsing defenses with high ball screens, dragging help defenders, and then finding open shooters.

You don't have to like that Dallas's system is less movement dependent but it is similarly effective in terms of both volume and efficiency as just about all the teams you listed.

Luka cant seem to play with another star right, and people who call him out for going scoreless in the 4th get called baby skip. LMAO. We're into name calling now?

I guess the line between nicknames and name calling is subjective. But I won't call you baby Skip if you don't like it. I though being compare to your idol was a complement so my bad .

Back to basketball though, you can't have it both ways. You don't bash him for interrupting the offense to ISO and then also bash him when he doesn't interrupt the offense to ISO while Kyrie is popping off. Playing to the guy who has the hot hand is exactly how you play with a 2nd star until they can get enough practice to get designed plays. It's going to be a lot of taking turns right now because as I mentioned before they've only played 8 games together.

[BeiBeau]

If you're going to cry every time Luka goes 29-10-6 on a down night defensively and shooting wise then you're gonna cry a lot.

Westbrook averaged a triple double for 2 years and didn't win a single ring. Impressive numbers though.

And Luka last year took a worst team than Westbrook's to the WCF which is farther than Westbrook has ever lead anyone. Luka and Jokic and Lebron average similar numbers to Westbrook but the difference is they're not stat padding.

[arkuo]

Back to basketball though, you can't have it both ways. You don't bash him for interrupting the offense to ISO and then also bash him when he doesn't interrupt the offense to ISO while Kyrie is popping off. Playing to the guy who has the hot hand is exactly how you play with a 2nd star until they can get enough practice to get designed plays. It's going to be a lot of taking turns right now because as I mentioned before they've only played 8 games together.

I can see the Mavs finishing 4th in the west if Memphis slides down further without Morant. If they finish 4, Golden State at 5 is a real possibility. That first round match up with these two guys just taking turns for staggered isos for 7 games is not sustainable. You need to run things off and involve the other 3 guys. And the best time to try running that to see if it works is now.

If Luka got his fur ruffled up by Vanderbilt, imagine the complains he'll make if he gets Draymond, Kuminga and Wiggins all over him and his isos in the first round. Best chance to experiment is now, not in the playoffs. Steve Kerr will have a field day going against Kidd in a 7 game series if Kidd only decides to experiment then.

[BeiBeau]

But your point has merits too man. I think if Luka can get proper usage like how Sacramento just uses Sabonis as an offensive hub at the top of the key, they way he gets the ball and flicks passes to cutters, I think that would be a more suitable role for Luka rather than just doing staggered isos, dribbling back and fourth and dancing with the ball while slowing the game down. Now this comes down to creativity and Kidd has to draw these up as well. But the Sabonis/Fox and Jokic/Murray two man games have more rhythm to it than the isos Luka and Kyrie has right now.

Watch on YouTube

Sabonis and Jokic have the same dribble hand off play where they get the ball top of the key, one dribble, set a screen and the shooter runs past them and they hand it off. Luka should be able to do this easy man. With his eyes closed. But we opt to do isos for Luka so he can do his dribble dance and step back three. Sure it will take an adjustment for Luka to be able to set a screen like Domas, but surely it can be done, no? These plays have more synergy IMO.

Best movement shooting teams in the NBA today:
Denver
Phoenix
Boston
Brooklyn
Portland
Sacramento
Philadelphia
Golden State

Dallas is close to the bottom in terms of movement along with Detroit, Miami and Milwaukee.

My god baby Skip we get it, you like the sound of your own voice so you just vomit words and hope they make something.

I don't know if you know this. But Luka is not Jokic or Sabonis. They are both big men. Jokic is 4 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier while Sabonis is 6 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier. You can call Luka fat all you want be he is not their size and does not play their position. They're big men and Luka is a point forward.

Movement is not the only way to get 3s. Dallas doesn't move around the 3pt line because their system is more focused collapsing defenses with high ball screens, dragging help defenders, and then finding open shooters.

You don't have to like that Dallas's system is less movement dependent but it is similarly effective in terms of both volume and efficiency as just about all the teams you listed.

Luka cant seem to play with another star right, and people who call him out for going scoreless in the 4th get called baby skip. LMAO. We're into name calling now?

Also you love framing arguments in ways that implicitly support you. Yeah Luka didn't score in the 4th. How many minutes did he play in the 4th? Did he perhaps pass up open shots for better shots? Did he defer to the best 4th quarter scorer in the league at all while he was hot?

[arkuo]

If you're going to cry every time Luka goes 29-10-6 on a down night defensively and shooting wise then you're gonna cry a lot.

Westbrook averaged a triple double for 2 years and didn't win a single ring. Impressive numbers though.

And Luka last year took a worst team than Westbrook's to the WCF which is farther than Westbrook has ever lead anyone. Luka and Jokic and Lebron average similar numbers to Westbrook but the difference is they're not stat padding.

And the result is the same, still with no rings.

It is with deep sincerity that Andrew Wiggins wholeheartedly thanks the Mavs and the Doncic family for his new and revived career in professional basketball.

[arkuo]

Also you love framing arguments in ways that implicitly support you. Yeah Luka didn't score in the 4th. How many minutes did he play in the 4th? Did he perhaps pass up open shots for better shots? Did he defer to the best 4th quarter scorer in the league at all while he was hot?

Isn't that the purpose of an argument? Why would I hand stuff over easy on a silver platter? At least let the other side stress about it first.

My bad, I'm just killing time and trolling at this point. Waiting for some files for work.

[BeiBeau]

Also you love framing arguments in ways that implicitly support you. Yeah Luka didn't score in the 4th. How many minutes did he play in the 4th? Did he perhaps pass up open shots for better shots? Did he defer to the best 4th quarter scorer in the league at all while he was hot?

Isn't that the purpose of an argument? Why would I hand stuff over easy on a silver platter? At least let the other side stress about it first.

My bad, I'm just killing time and trolling at this point. Waiting for some files for work.

Well most of us aren't talking about basketball to win arguments we're talking about it to discuss what our team should do.

I don't know why you're so offended that I called you baby Skip. Skip Bayless and Kendrick Perkins are the best trolls in NBA media and you admitted yourself that you're nothing more that a troll.

[arkuo]

Also you love framing arguments in ways that implicitly support you. Yeah Luka didn't score in the 4th. How many minutes did he play in the 4th? Did he perhaps pass up open shots for better shots? Did he defer to the best 4th quarter scorer in the league at all while he was hot?

Isn't that the purpose of an argument? Why would I hand stuff over easy on a silver platter? At least let the other side stress about it first.

My bad, I'm just killing time and trolling at this point. Waiting for some files for work.

Well most of us aren't talking about basketball to win arguments we're talking about it to discuss what our team should do.

I don't know why you're so offended that I called you baby Skip. Skip Bayless and Kendrick Perkins are the best trolls in NBA media and you admitted yourself that you're nothing more that a troll.

Sorry man. I was just killing time. Your point is actually right. The convo could have ended like 6 posts ago. My bad.

[Apz]

So, people complain about defense and partly blame luka. Fine. Same people want to Luka to adapt and mavs to play faster. Doesnt make sense. Its not that kyrie joined or dfs left that made mavs defense plummet, its that they tries to play faster and its not mavs style of basketball. Mavs go from barely having any turnovers when playing slow til having tons of them because they play faster, and mavs just isnt a running team, its methodical and doesnt give opposition a chance. Thats why a team like memphis have zero chance of beating mavs. If mavs try to play like memphis they will lose.

You play with what u got. If u have maybe the best halfcourt offensive player ever in luka, u play that game when he have the ball. But the thing is, mavs offense is pretty much the same when luka is off court, just that kyrie does the luka things. Its not faster, its just that they take their shot faster which gives more counter opportunities and more posessions.

Must say i love both luka and kyrie atm. THJ playing well. But it will take time. 13 other guys need to adapt their game now when we got both luka and kyrie, those 2 im not worried about at all.

Powell, he might be good at rim running, but imagine if he didnt have those sloppy hands or that brain that doesnt understand what his playmakers gonna do, he would actually be worth his salary. But atm, things just go too fast for him