RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Kings (Wed, 8:30PM EST)

[Archx]

Didn't even notice that Mavs were almost outrebounded by 20 again. Holy ****

[Ni Da Ye]

Couple observation from this idiotic game:

1. Kings played last night. Tired legs in the end.
2. Mavs still cannot play good d. But at least they tried and the result showed.
3. Given how lethal Kyrie played tonight, his street ball style would not be sustainable. When he is hot we have a shot and it's entertaining. When he is off, blowout defeat.
4. I'm convinced after this game, Kidd needs to go.
5. Green doesn't have good ball iq, we need to get rid of him when he still has some value at the moment.
6. Even if we enter play in, we won't make it.

As someone who's generally optimistic when the year starts and takes flack I really can't believe people are optimistic now. There is no benefit to winning these games and now teams like the Bulls are doing what the Mavs should be doing.

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Same here. And people like us who are realistic are viewed negative for no reason.

[41Dirk41]

I'm sorry for the haters. Bad night for them. Happens

[Maverick41]

Didn't even notice that Mavs were almost outrebounded by 20 again. Holy ****

There are 2 guarantees in every Mavs game. 1) Powell gets hit in the face. 2) We get outrebounded by 15+.

[Mr B]

Couple observation from this idiotic game:

1. Kings played last night. Tired legs in the end.
2. Mavs still cannot play good d. But at least they tried and the result showed.
3. Given how lethal Kyrie played tonight, his street ball style would not be sustainable. When he is hot we have a shot and it's entertaining. When he is off, blowout defeat.
4. I'm convinced after this game, Kidd needs to go.
5. Green doesn't have good ball iq, we need to get rid of him when he still has some value at the moment.
6. Even if we enter play in, we won't make it.

As someone who's generally optimistic when the year starts and takes flack I really can't believe people are optimistic now. There is no benefit to winning these games and now teams like the Bulls are doing what the Mavs should be doing.

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That’s not true, there is at least 1 benefit. Having the pick convey to the Knicks opens up two first round picks for them to be able to trade. They don’t get the top 10 pick but it gives them an extra asset this off season to help add to the team.

[ejs78]

Couple observation from this idiotic game:

1. Kings played last night. Tired legs in the end.
2. Mavs still cannot play good d. But at least they tried and the result showed.
3. Given how lethal Kyrie played tonight, his street ball style would not be sustainable. When he is hot we have a shot and it's entertaining. When he is off, blowout defeat.
4. I'm convinced after this game, Kidd needs to go.
5. Green doesn't have good ball iq, we need to get rid of him when he still has some value at the moment.
6. Even if we enter play in, we won't make it.

As someone who's generally optimistic when the year starts and takes flack I really can't believe people are optimistic now. There is no benefit to winning these games and now teams like the Bulls are doing what the Mavs should be doing.

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Same here. And people like us who are realistic are viewed negative for no reason.

I'm actually about 50/50 on my +/- but you gotta know when it's time to pack it up and live in reality. If this team was locked in as a 6 or 7 there would be some belief on my part they could beat Memphis or Sacramento.... but they aren't and now they are looking like they could back into this.

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[ejs78]

Couple observation from this idiotic game:

1. Kings played last night. Tired legs in the end.
2. Mavs still cannot play good d. But at least they tried and the result showed.
3. Given how lethal Kyrie played tonight, his street ball style would not be sustainable. When he is hot we have a shot and it's entertaining. When he is off, blowout defeat.
4. I'm convinced after this game, Kidd needs to go.
5. Green doesn't have good ball iq, we need to get rid of him when he still has some value at the moment.
6. Even if we enter play in, we won't make it.

As someone who's generally optimistic when the year starts and takes flack I really can't believe people are optimistic now. There is no benefit to winning these games and now teams like the Bulls are doing what the Mavs should be doing.

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That’s not true, there is at least 1 benefit. Having the pick convey to the Knicks opens up two first round picks for them to be able to trade. They don’t get the top 10 pick but it gives them an extra asset this off season to help add to the team.

If they get a top 10 pick and maybe move up you can have a player on a better salary who might be able to play now. Also this draft is supposed to be really good. Mavs could flip who they draft + the future pick which is better than 2 future picks that likely won't be this high.

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[Michaellam1987]

It seems getting into the worst possible direction, barely missing the play in, while finish the record better than CHI, resulting in #11 pick, and give it to NYK.

[ACMFFL]

We are the most clueless organization in the league.

[arkuo]

Didn't even notice that Mavs were almost outrebounded by 20 again. Holy ****

This is even more shocking because the Kings mostly play undersized Sabonis at C.

[arkuo]

Looks like we're still gunning for the playoffs. Hang tight boys.

[fuller4379]

This team doesn't know how to tank properly. The last time it cost them a 2019 FRP when they messed up on tanking.

[Mr B]

As someone who's generally optimistic when the year starts and takes flack I really can't believe people are optimistic now. There is no benefit to winning these games and now teams like the Bulls are doing what the Mavs should be doing.

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That’s not true, there is at least 1 benefit. Having the pick convey to the Knicks opens up two first round picks for them to be able to trade. They don’t get the top 10 pick but it gives them an extra asset this off season to help add to the team.

If they get a top 10 pick and maybe move up you can have a player on a better salary who might be able to play now. Also this draft is supposed to be really good. Mavs could flip who they draft + the future pick which is better than 2 future picks that likely won't be this high.

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They can’t trade a future pick until the Knicks pick conveys because of the protections on the pick. If they get a top 10 that’s all they will have to trade (the pick itself or the player drafted with the pick). Until the pick conveys the only 1st round pick they can trade is the 2031 pick (‘29 was sent to Brooklyn).

If they miss out on the top 10 pick this off season and it goes to the Knicks this off season then that opens up the 2025 and 2027 pick for them to be able to trade.

[ACMFFL]

That’s not true, there is at least 1 benefit. Having the pick convey to the Knicks opens up two first round picks for them to be able to trade. They don’t get the top 10 pick but it gives them an extra asset this off season to help add to the team.

If they get a top 10 pick and maybe move up you can have a player on a better salary who might be able to play now. Also this draft is supposed to be really good. Mavs could flip who they draft + the future pick which is better than 2 future picks that likely won't be this high.

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They can’t trade a future pick until the Knicks pick conveys because of the protections on the pick. If they get a top 10 that’s all they will have to trade (the pick itself or the player drafted with the pick). Until the pick conveys the only 1st round pick they can trade is the 2031 pick (‘29 was sent to Brooklyn).

If they miss out on the top 10 pick this off season and it goes to the Knicks this off season then that opens up the 2025 and 2027 pick for them to be able to trade.

If Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick. Obligation extinguishes in 2025, and that means Dallas could also trade the 2027 first if we keep the 2023 pick.

[41Dirk41]

Luka Doncic will never tank a season. He is super competitive guy. No way he loses games intentionally.
You can't tell to a 24yo Doncic to tank. That's very risky.

Unless there is a 1% chance to make PO he will play for win games.
A professional player has that kind of mentality.

Probably take the pick it's the better option for the team, i know. But they don't tank. Stop.

[Mr B]

If they get a top 10 pick and maybe move up you can have a player on a better salary who might be able to play now. Also this draft is supposed to be really good. Mavs could flip who they draft + the future pick which is better than 2 future picks that likely won't be this high.

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They can’t trade a future pick until the Knicks pick conveys because of the protections on the pick. If they get a top 10 that’s all they will have to trade (the pick itself or the player drafted with the pick). Until the pick conveys the only 1st round pick they can trade is the 2031 pick (‘29 was sent to Brooklyn).

If they miss out on the top 10 pick this off season and it goes to the Knicks this off season then that opens up the 2025 and 2027 pick for them to be able to trade.

If Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick. Obligation extinguishes in 2025, and that means Dallas could also trade the 2027 first if we keep the 2023 pick.

Right but from my understanding if the pick does not convey this season it will roll over to next season (2024). If the Mavs end up with another top 10 pick in 2024 THEN the Knicis will get the 2nd round pick in 2025. They can’t trade THE 1st round 2025 pick though unless this pick conveys in 2023 or 2024 because of the protections on the pick.

[ACMFFL]

They can’t trade a future pick until the Knicks pick conveys because of the protections on the pick. If they get a top 10 that’s all they will have to trade (the pick itself or the player drafted with the pick). Until the pick conveys the only 1st round pick they can trade is the 2031 pick (‘29 was sent to Brooklyn).

If they miss out on the top 10 pick this off season and it goes to the Knicks this off season then that opens up the 2025 and 2027 pick for them to be able to trade.

If Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick. Obligation extinguishes in 2025, and that means Dallas could also trade the 2027 first if we keep the 2023 pick.

Right but from my understanding if the pick does not convey this season it will roll over to next season (2024). If the Mavs end up with another top 10 pick in 2024 THEN the Knicis will get the 2nd round pick in 2025. They can’t trade THE 1st round 2025 pick though unless this pick conveys in 2023 or 2024 because of the protections on the pick.

Yep, exactly.
So to sum up, if we keep the 2023 first:
•2024, 2025 1sts and 2025 2nd not available because of the protections;
•2026, 2028, 2030 1sts not available because of the Stepien rule.
•picks available in the summer: 2023 1st, 2027 1st, 2030 2nd.

[ACMFFL]

In the likely scenario the '23 pick conveys, we could work with Brooklyn to "unlock" a third additional first..something like this:
BRK (2030 1st, 2030 2nd)
DAL (2029 1st)
That would allow us to trade three firsts (2024, 2026, 2028)