Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[Bob8]

Then tell me, what is point if giving Irving 120 mio? He will be too old to help, when Lively could theoretically be ready. And do you really believe that Luka will sign extension hoping that Lively improves? Lively is a mistake, no one is waiting for him.

Luka/Kyrie with decent 3d guard that can handle the ball, is a replication of 2021/22 season, this was the winning formula around Luka with Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie.
Luka is eligible for extension 2 years from now, what I assume Mavs FO is doing is gambling on a roster good enough for the PO this year, and a chance to be better in 2 year with Lively/OMax/Williams/Geen/Hardy, I fully realize this option is worse short term.
There are no magic fixes, the Mavs messed up last year, it was as clear as the sky, they had to pick their poison this year, they had options to choose from, not a choice to design from scratch what they wanted.

Plan would be fine, if Lively was only few years away to start. Unfortunately 5 years is much more realistic, if he will even be in a league then. Their biggest bet is totally raw rookie C, hard to understand. Cuban will eventually need to pay, if he wants contender. Postponing it with drafting Lively doesn't seem like the best choice.

Drafting rookie C looks like a decision, when you don't have a superstar, who wants to compete now. Luka will be yelling on his starting C very soon. And we will have Mcgee situation once more.

[Archx]

I guess they realised that with drafting Lively they basically committed themselves to this path, no matter how unrealistic it is.

The most telling will be game against Real, if Real's bigs destroy Mavs' bigs, things could get ugly very soon.

I can't wait to see Tavares vs Lively.

Tavares has some health problems, so I hope he will be ready. Tavares, if healthy, is more dominant in Fiba basketball than Gobert in the paint and even Poirier is probably too much for Mavs bigs too. I would rest Lively in that game, it won't be pretty.

Ah that sucks... I was hoping he would play. I'm anxious to see Lively play defense vs seasoned and grown up players. Luka will make him look at least competent on offense with their PnR action but defense and rebounding is what i'm curious about.

[Apz]

Then tell me, what is point if giving Irving 120 mio? He will be too old to help, when Lively could theoretically be ready. And do you really believe that Luka will sign extension hoping that Lively improves? Lively is a mistake, no one is waiting for him.

Luka/Kyrie with decent 3d guard that can handle the ball, is a replication of 2021/22 season, this was the winning formula around Luka with Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie.
Luka is eligible for extension 2 years from now, what I assume Mavs FO is doing is gambling on a roster good enough for the PO this year, and a chance to be better in 2 year with Lively/OMax/Williams/Geen/Hardy, I fully realize this option is worse short term.
There are no magic fixes, the Mavs messed up last year, it was as clear as the sky, they had to pick their poison this year, they had options to choose from, not a choice to design from scratch what they wanted.

Plan would be fine, if Lively was only few years away to start. Unfortunately 5 years is much more realistic, if he will even be in a league then. Their biggest bet is totally raw rookie C, hard to understand. Cuban will eventually need to pay, if he wants contender. Postponing it with drafting Lively doesn't seem like the best choice.

Drafting rookie C looks like a decision, when you don't have a superstar, who wants to compete now. Luka will be yelling on his starting C very soon. And we will have Mcgee situation once more.

Noone knows how far away lively is, pulling 5 uears out of your arse to just try to prove your point is pointless. Tbh, noone have any idea how long it will take. After this season we can start guessing. But atm noone has seen him in an nba game.

Would much prefer playing lively over powell and holmes. Knowing kidd it probably wont happen tho. And I know the first exhibition game, if lively isnt amazing u and the usual suspects will be here crying but thats pointless. Before allstar break its basicly learning and getting into the nba game

[Archx]

Luka/Kyrie with decent 3d guard that can handle the ball, is a replication of 2021/22 season, this was the winning formula around Luka with Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie.
Luka is eligible for extension 2 years from now, what I assume Mavs FO is doing is gambling on a roster good enough for the PO this year, and a chance to be better in 2 year with Lively/OMax/Williams/Geen/Hardy, I fully realize this option is worse short term.
There are no magic fixes, the Mavs messed up last year, it was as clear as the sky, they had to pick their poison this year, they had options to choose from, not a choice to design from scratch what they wanted.

Plan would be fine, if Lively was only few years away to start. Unfortunately 5 years is much more realistic, if he will even be in a league then. Their biggest bet is totally raw rookie C, hard to understand. Cuban will eventually need to pay, if he wants contender. Postponing it with drafting Lively doesn't seem like the best choice.

Drafting rookie C looks like a decision, when you don't have a superstar, who wants to compete now. Luka will be yelling on his starting C very soon. And we will have Mcgee situation once more.

Noone knows how far away lively is, pulling 5 uears out of your arse to just try to prove your point is pointless. Tbh, noone have any idea how long it will take.

It's a known and common fact that big guys in the NBA usually take 3-4 years to fully develop. Bob is not wrong unless Chandler worked some magic and transformed Lively into his best clone.
Lively looked weak in summer league and didn't impress with rebounds or boxing out. He could move his feet but that was pretty much it. Then you have to account all the ground centers usually have to cover in modern game, defending PnR, paint defense, help defense, etc...Ayton was nr1 pick and was suppose to be huge talent out of the college but even he needed like 2 years to grow into his skin. Lively is far from what Ayton was so it's not unreasonable to think that he'll need much more time. Hence why everyone expected Mavs to trade that Nr10 pick for a real upgrade.

[Apz]

Plan would be fine, if Lively was only few years away to start. Unfortunately 5 years is much more realistic, if he will even be in a league then. Their biggest bet is totally raw rookie C, hard to understand. Cuban will eventually need to pay, if he wants contender. Postponing it with drafting Lively doesn't seem like the best choice.

Drafting rookie C looks like a decision, when you don't have a superstar, who wants to compete now. Luka will be yelling on his starting C very soon. And we will have Mcgee situation once more.

Noone knows how far away lively is, pulling 5 uears out of your arse to just try to prove your point is pointless. Tbh, noone have any idea how long it will take.

It's a known and common fact that big guys in the NBA usually take 3-4 years to fully develop. Bob is not wrong unless Chandler worked some magic and transformed Lively into his best clone.
Lively looked weak in summer league and didn't impress with rebounds or boxing out. He could move his feet but that was pretty much it. Then you have to account all the ground centers usually have to cover in modern game, defending PnR, paint defense, help defense, etc...Ayton was nr1 pick and was suppose to be huge talent out of the college but even he needed like 2 years to grow into his skin. Lively is far from what Ayton was so it's not unreasonable to think that he'll need much more time. Hence why everyone expected Mavs to trade that Nr10 pick for a real upgrade.

So no bigman habe ever been an nba player im his first 5 seasons? Thats bs

[Archx]

So no bigman habe ever been an nba player im his first 5 seasons? Thats bs

I didn't say that.

[41Dirk41]

No worry guys, if Holmes can play we are ok.

If Kidd put again Powell in S5 he will be fired soon so it's a win win situation for us.

[Bob8]

Noone knows how far away lively is, pulling 5 uears out of your arse to just try to prove your point is pointless. Tbh, noone have any idea how long it will take.

It's a known and common fact that big guys in the NBA usually take 3-4 years to fully develop. Bob is not wrong unless Chandler worked some magic and transformed Lively into his best clone.
Lively looked weak in summer league and didn't impress with rebounds or boxing out. He could move his feet but that was pretty much it. Then you have to account all the ground centers usually have to cover in modern game, defending PnR, paint defense, help defense, etc...Ayton was nr1 pick and was suppose to be huge talent out of the college but even he needed like 2 years to grow into his skin. Lively is far from what Ayton was so it's not unreasonable to think that he'll need much more time. Hence why everyone expected Mavs to trade that Nr10 pick for a real upgrade.

So no bigman habe ever been an nba player im his first 5 seasons? Thats bs

Not everyone was as raw as Lively is. From 5/5 in college to starting C in few months is not exactly normal situation.

[Maverick41]

Luka is eligible for extension 2 years from now, what I assume Mavs FO is doing is gambling on a roster good enough for the PO this year, and a chance to be better in 2 year with Lively/OMax/Williams/Geen/Hardy, I fully realize this option is worse short term.
There are no magic fixes, the Mavs messed up last year, it was as clear as the sky, they had to pick their poison this year, they had options to choose from, not a choice to design from scratch what they wanted.

Exactly! Good enough roster to compete now with the possibility of being great later when our assets improve (young guys improve and bad contracts become expiring). This isn't 2K where we can build a bad roster into a contender in 1 offseason. We've improved and there's much more hope and direction. I'm happy with that for now.

[BeiBeau]

Sure, stats don't tell the whole story but they tell that Mavs are not winning with him on the court, for different reasons. Hardy' problems is that he's pretty bad in playmaking and not good defender. Mavs with Luka and Kyrie simply don't need his iso skills or better to say, they need different type of players to play with Luka and Kyrie. I really can't see a lineup with Luka, Kyrie and Hardy. And even if one seats, Exum looks better fit. Kyrie has basically killed need for player like Hardy, because he's light years better in everything Hardy does. He will get more playing time only, like last season, when Luka or Kyrie are out.

He's basically not good enough, doesn't have right skills, to play with Luka and Kyrie, and not good enough to be positive on the court without them. And we have negative advanced stats.

To be fair Dallas wasn’t winning with anyone last year. Especially with Hardy because he was Luka and Kyrie’s replacement in the line up.

All of that I can agree with. But Hardy is still a good young player. The problem for these young score 1st guards is if you’re not elite then you’re not going to get a ton of play. Hardy shouldn’t be worried about fitting with Kyrie and Luka right now. He should instead be worried about beating out THJ.

This year for Hardy he should be focused on improving this year as much as he can ever if that means playing in the G league. So that next offseason when THJ is expiring and easy to move for an upgrade. At that point Hardy is fighting for a 6th man role.

There would be a spot in the rotation if THJ was not eating 28 minutes on the bench.

On his position you have 2 new players this year. Curry and Exum. I personally like both more. Curry is better shooter and Exum better playmaker and defender. If Kidd gives Exum fair chance, it will be very difficult for Hardy. Because Exum is just a lot more complete player.

Yes but if THJ is out next season then their is a spot for his ISO creation offense especially if his shot is still near 40% from 3.

[BeiBeau]

What exactly did Kidd do? He needed like 60% of the season to figure out Hardy should actually be playing NBA minutes instead of wasting his potential in GLeague. And even then, he often actually rather played Frank than Hardy.

Had no clue what to do with Green. Some games he played 15 mins then the next game he played 28 mins almost on repeat. It was actually Lowry who helped Green in the off season, they trained together entire summer. When Kyrie arrived, Kidd got completely lost and couldn't string together even one offensive set to help out role players. It was Doncic's elite playmaking that saved his ass on offense and Kyrie's efficiency. When neither played, Green strived and looked like a freaking monster.

Brunson credits Kidd for his developmnent so i'll give him that but Brunson was also up and coming talent and almost everyone saw that apart from Mavs FO.

I don't trust Kidd with talent development (yet), we'll see how OMax and Lively do. They are basically HUGE projects, specially OMax. If he can turn at least one of them into elite role players, it will be his biggest success.

You don’t judge a coaches success at player development based on whether it is an easy process or difficult process.

Your thought process is that Hardy was clearly pretty good at the end of last season, therefore he was clearly pretty good all season long so Kidd is at fault for not playing him. And that is just HARD incorrect, you could be right that Hardy could’ve played in November but that also could’ve killed his confidence and set him back.

Bad development coaches get nothing out of there players. (Carlisle)

Good development coaches get significant improvement out of their players.

Great development coaches maximize their young players.

Is Kidd truly getting the most improvement out of green and Hardy? Probably not but that is also impossible to tell in the moment.

What we do know is Kidd has brought Brunson, Green, and Hardy each up multiple tiers. Like is said. Brunson went from bench to all star. Josh went from unplayable to starter. Hardy went from G-league bust to borderline efficient NBA bench player. Jason Kidd is good at player development that much can’t be argued. It is not always easy but every young player he’s got so far has made major strides.

Kidd never had a good record of developing young guys and still doesn't have. It was actually quite the opposite, his Bucks job was a pure disaster and i didn't hear anything positive when he was on the Nets either. He supposed to learn a thing or two when he was with the LAL but apart from one decent Mavs year, he's been nothing but a fail purely from coaching standpoint.

Hardy played in the GLeague at the start and that's fine, but he was more than ready to jump into the NBA and at least get Pinson's and Frank's minutes but didn't. Even when he finally got there, he still couldn't get minutes. Only when everyone saw what a disaster Frank was and Mavs bench started to get short, Hardy finally got a chance.
And i already told you about Green. I don't know how much you know about him or how many games you watched but Kidd didn't do a good job with him, Green was his own man who developed with his own people. Freaking Justin Holiday who just got signed mid season got a starting gig over him

Anyway... Kidd is a horrible coach. Maybe star players like him because he's kissing their ass but we know his talent for angering others. We'll see what happens with Lively and OMax but all talk 2 months ago about Lively needing a lot of minutes in GLeague and now suddenly he's suppose to be their main center? I mean, what the hell? Is Chandler a magician or again Kidd has no clue what to do with his squad? I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

Yeah Holiday started one **** game. Who cares dude? Green was the consistent stater after Dorian was traded. I don’t understand this idea you have that player development involves ALWAYS letting young players play no matter the situation. Other than the fact that you don’t know what player development is.

Player development is whether the young players getting better with Kidd as a coach or not? Every young Maverick has significantly improved under Kidd. Don’t fool yourself, a major reason Brunson left Dallas is because he was still mad about how RC treated him. Don’t fool yourself, Kidd’s nothing but patience with Josh Green has given him a lack of pressure so that he can improve. Don’t fool yourself, there is a reason Hardy was a 2nd round pick, he needed to improve before being thrown in the NBA. The young players are getting better therefore, Kidd has done a good job with young player development in Dallas. You can argue that fact by saying “ugh he’s just horrible” with out actually making a point if you want. You do you.

Idk if Kidd is the coach who will get it done. But to say he has done nothing in Dallas except be horrible is just kinda blind haterism.

[BeiBeau]

Plan would be fine, if Lively was only few years away to start. Unfortunately 5 years is much more realistic, if he will even be in a league then. Their biggest bet is totally raw rookie C, hard to understand. Cuban will eventually need to pay, if he wants contender. Postponing it with drafting Lively doesn't seem like the best choice.

Drafting rookie C looks like a decision, when you don't have a superstar, who wants to compete now. Luka will be yelling on his starting C very soon. And we will have Mcgee situation once more.

Noone knows how far away lively is, pulling 5 uears out of your arse to just try to prove your point is pointless. Tbh, noone have any idea how long it will take.

It's a known and common fact that big guys in the NBA usually take 3-4 years to fully develop. Bob is not wrong unless Chandler worked some magic and transformed Lively into his best clone.
Lively looked weak in summer league and didn't impress with rebounds or boxing out. He could move his feet but that was pretty much it. Then you have to account all the ground centers usually have to cover in modern game, defending PnR, paint defense, help defense, etc...Ayton was nr1 pick and was suppose to be huge talent out of the college but even he needed like 2 years to grow into his skin. Lively is far from what Ayton was so it's not unreasonable to think that he'll need much more time. Hence why everyone expected Mavs to trade that Nr10 pick for a real upgrade.

It’s a good thing they do not need him to be in his final form. They need a defensive anchor in the back. At as prospects go he one of the better defensive anchors prospects in the last few years. In recent history guys like Kessler, Williams, Mobley, JJJ, Adams, and Turner were all ready to contribute significantly in their first season. While only 2 of those guys made the playoffs none of them were playing on teams with title aspirations in their 1st season. Dallas’s plan seems clear. Lively is pretty far along on the defensive side of the ball and weak offensively. So they give him a small well defined offensive role and let him go to work at the rim on defense.

Also lively looked good on the defensive end during SL. Offense doesn’t matter because he didn’t have a creator. The rebounding positioning and screens are things that can be learned much easier than most things. Tyson, Dwight, and Holmes can teach him those.

[Teffer10]

I think Mavs are throwing Lively into this for preseason to gauge where he and Prosper stand.
They probably know Capela is available as long as they are willing to part with Green so they might want to make sure they dont already have a starting caliber center in Lively.

If he is a few months away from being starting material then go with Holmes until the kid is ready.
If he gets taken to the wood shed by the opposition, make the move for Capela and expedite Prosper who appears to be more NBA ready.

[Bob8]

Noone knows how far away lively is, pulling 5 uears out of your arse to just try to prove your point is pointless. Tbh, noone have any idea how long it will take.

It's a known and common fact that big guys in the NBA usually take 3-4 years to fully develop. Bob is not wrong unless Chandler worked some magic and transformed Lively into his best clone.
Lively looked weak in summer league and didn't impress with rebounds or boxing out. He could move his feet but that was pretty much it. Then you have to account all the ground centers usually have to cover in modern game, defending PnR, paint defense, help defense, etc...Ayton was nr1 pick and was suppose to be huge talent out of the college but even he needed like 2 years to grow into his skin. Lively is far from what Ayton was so it's not unreasonable to think that he'll need much more time. Hence why everyone expected Mavs to trade that Nr10 pick for a real upgrade.

It’s a good thing they do not need him to be in his final form. They need a defensive anchor in the back. At as prospects go he one of the better defensive anchors prospects in the last few years. In recent history guys like Kessler, Williams, Mobley, JJJ, Adams, and Turner were all ready to contribute significantly in their first season. While only 2 of those guys made the playoffs none of them were playing on teams with title aspirations in their 1st season. Dallas’s plan seems clear. Lively is pretty far along on the defensive side of the ball and weak offensively. So they give him a small well defined offensive role and let him go to work at the rim on defense.

Also lively looked good on the defensive end during SL. Offense doesn’t matter because he didn’t have a creator. The rebounding positioning and screens are things that can be learned much easier than most things. Tyson, Dwight, and Holmes can teach him those.

Maybe I'm strange but I just can't imagine 5/5 college player, with clearly undeveloped body and looking totally raw in SL, to start, even, if a our bigs are the worst in the league.

I hope I'm wrong, because it will be another dog fight for playoffs, if I'm not.

Vast majority of players you have mentioned had Nba ready body or better skills and their game much more developed. And those are players, who succeed, you have a mass of players like Lively, we don't know anything about, because they disappeared. I'm not sure, if these (unrealistic) expectations are helping Lively on long run. Pop will try to start slow with Wemby for exactly the same reason. And I have a feeling how Nico and Kidd are throwing Lively under the bus.

[Forbes]

Noone knows how far away lively is, pulling 5 uears out of your arse to just try to prove your point is pointless. Tbh, noone have any idea how long it will take.

It's a known and common fact that big guys in the NBA usually take 3-4 years to fully develop. Bob is not wrong unless Chandler worked some magic and transformed Lively into his best clone.
Lively looked weak in summer league and didn't impress with rebounds or boxing out. He could move his feet but that was pretty much it. Then you have to account all the ground centers usually have to cover in modern game, defending PnR, paint defense, help defense, etc...Ayton was nr1 pick and was suppose to be huge talent out of the college but even he needed like 2 years to grow into his skin. Lively is far from what Ayton was so it's not unreasonable to think that he'll need much more time. Hence why everyone expected Mavs to trade that Nr10 pick for a real upgrade.

It’s a good thing they do not need him to be in his final form. They need a defensive anchor in the back. At as prospects go he one of the better defensive anchors prospects in the last few years. In recent history guys like Kessler, Williams, Mobley, JJJ, Adams, and Turner were all ready to contribute significantly in their first season. While only 2 of those guys made the playoffs none of them were playing on teams with title aspirations in their 1st season. Dallas’s plan seems clear. Lively is pretty far along on the defensive side of the ball and weak offensively. So they give him a small well defined offensive role and let him go to work at the rim on defense.

Also lively looked good on the defensive end during SL. Offense doesn’t matter because he didn’t have a creator. The rebounding positioning and screens are things that can be learned much easier than most things. Tyson, Dwight, and Holmes can teach him those.

That’s what I figure the Mavs are doing with Lively. Put out all defensive effort and just catch lobs, you got 2 players who damn near should have an easy time getting him lobs when they are available.

If Lively and Omax’s are strictly in the lineup for their defensive efforts, they must have saw the potential in practice and need to see what happens in preseason. This actually makes the bench feel deep. We’ll have an idea of how thing look today, won’t take long for us to judge.

[41Dirk41]

I mean... if that scrub Powell could be good for 10minutes a game in RS than everybody in NBA can be so Lively too

[Archx]

You don’t judge a coaches success at player development based on whether it is an easy process or difficult process.

Your thought process is that Hardy was clearly pretty good at the end of last season, therefore he was clearly pretty good all season long so Kidd is at fault for not playing him. And that is just HARD incorrect, you could be right that Hardy could’ve played in November but that also could’ve killed his confidence and set him back.

Bad development coaches get nothing out of there players. (Carlisle)

Good development coaches get significant improvement out of their players.

Great development coaches maximize their young players.

Is Kidd truly getting the most improvement out of green and Hardy? Probably not but that is also impossible to tell in the moment.

What we do know is Kidd has brought Brunson, Green, and Hardy each up multiple tiers. Like is said. Brunson went from bench to all star. Josh went from unplayable to starter. Hardy went from G-league bust to borderline efficient NBA bench player. Jason Kidd is good at player development that much can’t be argued. It is not always easy but every young player he’s got so far has made major strides.

Kidd never had a good record of developing young guys and still doesn't have. It was actually quite the opposite, his Bucks job was a pure disaster and i didn't hear anything positive when he was on the Nets either. He supposed to learn a thing or two when he was with the LAL but apart from one decent Mavs year, he's been nothing but a fail purely from coaching standpoint.

Hardy played in the GLeague at the start and that's fine, but he was more than ready to jump into the NBA and at least get Pinson's and Frank's minutes but didn't. Even when he finally got there, he still couldn't get minutes. Only when everyone saw what a disaster Frank was and Mavs bench started to get short, Hardy finally got a chance.
And i already told you about Green. I don't know how much you know about him or how many games you watched but Kidd didn't do a good job with him, Green was his own man who developed with his own people. Freaking Justin Holiday who just got signed mid season got a starting gig over him

Anyway... Kidd is a horrible coach. Maybe star players like him because he's kissing their ass but we know his talent for angering others. We'll see what happens with Lively and OMax but all talk 2 months ago about Lively needing a lot of minutes in GLeague and now suddenly he's suppose to be their main center? I mean, what the hell? Is Chandler a magician or again Kidd has no clue what to do with his squad? I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

Yeah Holiday started one **** game. Who cares dude? Green was the consistent stater after Dorian was traded. I don’t understand this idea you have that player development involves ALWAYS letting young players play no matter the situation. Other than the fact that you don’t know what player development is.

Player development is whether the young players getting better with Kidd as a coach or not? Every young Maverick has significantly improved under Kidd. Don’t fool yourself, a major reason Brunson left Dallas is because he was still mad about how RC treated him. Don’t fool yourself, Kidd’s nothing but patience with Josh Green has given him a lack of pressure so that he can improve. Don’t fool yourself, there is a reason Hardy was a 2nd round pick, he needed to improve before being thrown in the NBA. The young players are getting better therefore, Kidd has done a good job with young player development in Dallas. You can argue that fact by saying “ugh he’s just horrible” with out actually making a point if you want. You do you.

Idk if Kidd is the coach who will get it done. But to say he has done nothing in Dallas except be horrible is just kinda blind haterism.

I was making a point, Kidd is a scrub coach who shouldn't be coaching on an NBA level and he has a long track record to prove it. I see you didn't watch many Mavs games but long story short, Kidd has horrible player rotations and horrible judgement who should be on the floor at any given time. He also can't even draw a single good out of bounds play. It's not like all of this is new, other fan bases have warned us.

Lively is incredibly raw and we're all grasping at straws at this point because we're all desperate to finally have a great center again. But like i said, we'll see soon enough how ready he actually is. I simply don't trust Kidd until he proves himself that he either changed or learned how to use certain players in certain scenarios.

Also, Brunson didn't leave because of RC, you're just making stuff up at this point.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, I'm much more worried about coaching than I am about the roster, Luka was always high usage player, but under Kidd he became the highest usage player in the league, and the offense became much stagnant, basically he turned PO Luka into RS Luka, which isn't sustainable.

[Maverick41]

Yeah, I'm much more worried about coaching than I am about the roster, Luka was always high usage player, but under Kidd he became the highest usage player in the league, and the offense became much stagnant, basically he turned PO Luka into RS Luka, which isn't sustainable.

Yup our gameplan was ridiculously predictable. Basically give the ball to Luka, let him cook, then hope shooters hit shots when he starts drawing doubles or triples. Rinse and repeat. And then we can't forget that literally every end of game play is a step back 3. There's no creativity. It's odd because Kidd was one of the most creative players ever. Not so much as a coach. Let's hope he adds something to the toolbag.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, I'm much more worried about coaching than I am about the roster, Luka was always high usage player, but under Kidd he became the highest usage player in the league, and the offense became much stagnant, basically he turned PO Luka into RS Luka, which isn't sustainable.

Yup our gameplan was ridiculously predictable. Basically give the ball to Luka, let him cook, then hope shooters hit shots when he starts drawing doubles or triples. Rinse and repeat. And then we can't forget that literally every end of game play is a step back 3. There's no creativity. It's odd because Kidd was one of the most creative players ever. Not so much as a coach. Let's hope he adds something to the toolbag.

I hoped they get Kokoskov back, but they didn't, Silas was fired from the Rockets, he's not head coach material, but he knows all of RC plays, maybe he can help...