Mavs Vs. Lakers

[arkuo]

i wasnt able to watch the game... but from what i see in the box scores, kidd got 1 point and 7 assists... im not sure if kidd is "fitting-in" right.... devin could get us 15 and 8 tonight.. he'd drive to the lane so many times that derek fisher would think about retiring....

did kidd do anything outside of the boxscore, like play defense or something? coz from the way it looks, even in the past few games, kidd's numbers are decreasing and if he doesnt do the intangibles, then the others have a whole lot to make up for....

[arkuo]

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The only reason there was even a game for Kidd to come back into was because Lue & Terry played a little like Devin and Terry whom is a much better fit with Josh & Dirk than Kidd will ever be. Oh, and BTW, Terry looked WAY better in the 4th running, scoring and passing than Kidd did!

this is the reason why our DAM front office couldnt let go of terry.. even if they wanted to... because he is our source of offense outside of dirk and josh... kidd and dampier cant score a lot on games... and i dont blame them... it's just that, terry is known for bailing us out on a lot of times and if ever we ship him out, his replacement should just be a taller offensive machine who knows how to play decent defense..

[JES12]

i wasnt able to watch the game... but from what i see in the box scores, kidd got 1 point and 7 assists... im not sure if kidd is "fitting-in" right.... devin could get us 15 and 8 tonight.. he'd drive to the lane so many times that derek fisher would think about retiring....

did kidd do anything outside of the boxscore, like play defense or something? coz from the way it looks, even in the past few games, kidd's numbers are decreasing and if he doesnt do the intangibles, then the others have a whole lot to make up for....

Nah, nothing new. Kidd has always been an over-rated PG who puts up incredible numbers and highlight real plays against sorry teams and chokes against the toughter teams. Harris always seemed disinterested against the lesser teams and played much better against the toughter teams and in the playoffs.

[arkuo]

Well Kidd is 9-0 against sub .500 teams and 0-6 against over .500 teams. Looks like nothing has changed since he moved confrences.

You ready to admit I'm right yet, DDansby?

a ilttle more of these depressing losses and the kidd trade just looks like a huge salary dump...

a little more of these depressing losses and im gonna have to hire a gun man to kill avery for me... oh shoot, the FBI just showed up on my door..

[Teffer10]

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a ilttle more of these depressing losses and the kidd trade just looks like a huge salary dump...

a little more of these depressing losses and im gonna have to hire a gun man to kill avery for me... oh shoot, the FBI just showed up on my door..

No salary dump whatsoever, Kidd will get an extension this offseason.
However, that is a huge expiring that we could use for someone who might be a better fit...I'm not going there just yet though.

[Teffer10]

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this is the reason why our DAM front office couldnt let go of terry.. even if they wanted to... because he is our source of offense outside of dirk and josh... kidd and dampier cant score a lot on games... and i dont blame them... it's just that, terry is known for bailing us out on a lot of times and if ever we ship him out, his replacement should just be a taller offensive machine who knows how to play decent defense..

I was very impressed with Terry tonight. Not just the big baskets, but the hussle and desire that he was playing with. He was extremely aggressive pushing the ball on breaks and going to the basket. He seemed to be all over the floor in the second half...both ends.

However, he didn't have to go against great PGs tonight.

[Teffer10]

THAT LAST INBOUNDS PASS WAS HORRIBLE!!!!!

Are you kidding me?? Josh threw that at Dirk's ankles, WTF is Josh, the worst passer throwing that pass??????????

Remind me, why we made this trade when it's obvious Avery doesn't trust Kidd, so we can play ISO all night long making the whole trade useless.
(Why wasn't our best passer throwing that inbounds pass?)

Other problems:
-Damp's limited playing time, great so we give up crucial O rebounds ONCE AGAIN (Damn Avery, stop playing small, we got burned so many times on the last few possessions b/c we couldn't grab a damn rebound, then Damp goes in when its already too F'n late)

-Stackhouse, Josh= the ball literally DIES in their hands. No movement, horrible shots (though Josh did much better in the 2nd half, still he's not a good enough 2nd star and that will always be a problem, b/c we have to over-rely on Dirk again. We need someone else who can create their own shot and make good decision in the crunch)

-Avery, but I don't want to harp on that again.

The whole team sucked tonight, except Dirk and Terry. F for everyone except those two.

Mavs have addressed only one of our biggest problems in the last 2 po series but have failed at addressing others. In fact, the Kidd trade created another weakness.

This team is extremely soft in the middle when Avery goes small. This is so obvious that I can't believe Avery ignores the situation. However, when you look at the way our roster is constructed, you can't blame him for going with his best players. The problem isn't necessarily Avery's coaching imo, but the fact that we have too many misfit players on this team. And why are we virtually 5 deep at the PF position when our best and most durable player will get most of those minutes anyway, but only 2 deep (and I would argue 1) at the center position with our primary old, foul prone, and somewhat injury prone.

Avery is going with iso sets because our offensive-oriented players are primarily iso type players...even Bass to a certain degree. The DAM FO did not address getting some athletes to play with Kidd. This team has very few (if any) players who know how to play without the ball so you might as well get use to this the rest of this season.

This DAM FO has really dropped the ball on this one.

If this team can't put forth anymore effort than this, I'm dead serious that I hope we don't make the playoffs so that we have a decent trade piece to make some changes in the offseason.

Oh...btw, George, Allen and Lue were heavily involved in the comeback so I wouldn't necessarily say they played terrible. In fact, I was impressed with George's D on Kobe most of the night.

[ppp000]

^Yes, at the time late in the 4th, Damp was not fouled out and the game was on the line. He should have been out there period.

You're right in saying that most of the players on this team do not know how to play without the ball, and against good teams, the ball movement improvements quickly vanish. Even worse, you have Howard and Stack handling the ball for long periods. Perhaps it is the roster, but the coach is pretty inflexible in his methods too.

This ISO O failed us TWICE in the playoffs when we couldn't score against the defenses of Mia and GS b/c there is literally NO ball movement, I thought the point of the trade was to change that. I only see change when we play the cellar dwellers, which leads me to believe that those are the only times Avery's not breathing down everyone's neck by calling every fricken play.

I think we'll make the POs, but the team was dead after the GS series anyways. Significant changes need to be made in the offseason.

[Darren]

Another Avery's fault. Why does he go small again? His loser mentality worry me. Fire him as soon as possible. We need Dampier and Kidd in the game. Brandon Bass, the Avery dog, cannot deliver against good team.

Stack is the biggest reason we get outrebounded. When you put Josh Howard on Kobe, you'd leave Stack on Odom.

I don't want to blame Josh Howard for the final possession. He's never a good passer. Neither is a lot of guys on the roster. But you don't ship away Ginobilli even he gives up a crucial 3-point plays in 7-game series. Stop panicking thoughts. It doesn't help. Josh Howard is doing well overall. Stop judging a player on one possession.

The stop succeeded in holding the Lakers to respectable percentage. They play good defense. Of course, unable to secure the defensive board is disappointing. But this doesn't take away the positives.

You just need a better 2 to succeed. Stack is nowhere close to hype. Neither is JET nor DG. Even so, we should find a way to compete no matter how no matter what.

[studcrackers]

do people not realize that we nearly came back and won this game b/c we went small? normally id advise agaisnt it but it worked tonight, im not blaming avery this game, it falls on the players.

and bass has shown up against good teams, hell look at the last game vs. la, you may bring up the rebound to kobe he gave up but I still say that took a funny bounce and anyone would have a tough time grabbing it. and he really gave duncan problems against SA. but he did deliver a huge 0 tonight.

[jtg41]

Loss like these prevent me from forgetting about the trade...have we beat a contender yet since the swap? Just to watch us come back from 25 deep, the emotion in JET, then watch the ending was dissapointing. Idk if it was Dirk's hands or Josh's pass....but yeah.

[Dentor]

Nobody else upset about the over the back foul called on Stack late in the game?

[Teffer10]

Nobody else upset about the over the back foul called on Stack late in the game?

Horrible call at a critical part of the game. If anything, Odom jumped back into Stack.
But that had nothing to do with the disappointment of this game. Even if we would have won, there would still be some major concerns.

This was a team that was wounded and had some struggles over the past few games.
We were full strength on our home court and got down by over 20 pts in the first half.

That is what I'm upset about more than the call.

[Colombiano972]

^^^^ Agreed. God this team is so hard to watch right now.

[JES12]

Loss like these prevent me from forgetting about the trade...have we beat a contender yet since the swap? Just to watch us come back from 25 deep, the emotion in JET, then watch the ending was dissapointing. Idk if it was Dirk's hands or Josh's pass....but yeah.

Nope! 0-6 vs above .500 teams.

When you trade half your 67-win team, including the PG that made it all run, for an over-the-hill has been who in his prime was still just a final's loser twice (with the right personnel for his style), you would be crazy to think he would do otherwise here. Only a mind with a losing mentality would bring him here. Not pointing out which one that is, but I'm pretty sure it's not just one of D.A.M.

[JES12]

^^^^ Agreed. God this team is so hard to watch right now.

I agree, but then again, this board was flooded with people (and you know who you are) that said this team had to make a change or it would be hard to watch them. In fact, a thread was dedicated to predicting how many games people would watch if a trade did not occur. People fail to see that the grass is not always greener on the other side. I liked our team going into the season...with Mbenga, Fazekas, Harris, Hassell, Diop. I was a little upset that Harris ONLY got 30 min when he deserved 40 (even though ss_maverick refuses to admit he deserved more than 30) and that Diop & Hassell was short changed in lieu of Stack (Hassell), Terry (Harris) and Dirk as center (Diop), but that was all Avery. I did not like his decisions then, I really hated it after the trade, and nothing has changed now.

Now, I wish to change my vote from the poll. I had voted all 82, but it hurts too much to watch this team anymore.

[Colombiano972]

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I agree, but then again, this board was flooded with people (and you know who you are) that said this team had to make a change or it would be hard to watch them. In fact, a thread was dedicated to predicting how many games people would watch if a trade did not occur. People fail to see that the grass is not always greener on the other side. I liked our team going into the season...with Mbenga, Fazekas, Harris, Hassell, Diop. I was a little upset that Harris ONLY got 30 min when he deserved 40 (even though ss_maverick refuses to admit he deserved more than 30) and that Diop & Hassell was short changed in lieu of Stack (Hassell), Terry (Harris) and Dirk as center (Diop), but that was all Avery. I did not like his decisions then, I really hated it after the trade, and nothing has changed now.

Now, I wish to change my vote from the poll. I had voted all 82, but it hurts too much to watch this team anymore.

Meh I'm just going to drink the night away every time I see this team and its mediocre performances.

[mavsfoty]

The over the back call was bogus but we still had a shot.

We desperately need to win the next two games. Period.

[your_dallas_mavericks]

Foty, we don't have a choice now.

[myconsumerclub]

Over coaching is the problem. He's not smart enough to overcoach without causing confusion in the ranks and causing mental melt downs.

The coach is to high strung for the NBA and it is counter productive if we had ego maniacs like other teams Avery would have been ridden out of town a long time ago.

These types of players need very little coaching especially Kidd who for all points is the best coach as a floor general ever in the history of this franchise. Running plays is alright ocassionaly but not for long stretches. Lue and Terry were effective because they were playing LA's 2nd string guards not because they are better than Kidd.

Kidd was playing better D which is necessary against any team were the star is named Kobe.

Wright should have got some time to see what he could do. This game was really looking over in the first half and Avery could have inserted Wright to see what he could accomplish but he's a stubborn old fool that will learn that his stupid mistakes are going to get his ignorant ass fired.

Taking Dampier out with only 2 fouls and not putting a more useful center in than Bass cost us this game and Avery is an idiot for doing it against LA. Bass is smaller than Odom and Turiaf and they are going to eat his lunch nearly everytime down the floor.

So what does Avery do when Damp gets a couple of fouls? EFN SMF FIRE AVERY AND GET SOMEONE THAT CAN DRIVE THE BUS 4 THE REST OF THIS SEASON. THE SEASON IS OVER 4 ME WITH AVERY AS COACH!

DIRK NEEDS TO GROW A PAIR AND DEMAND AVERY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR TRADE ME!!!!!!