Luka Dončić Discussion - Year 2

Lord Cuban · Post #621 » by **Lord Cuban** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:04 am

Luka Dončić currently leads the Mavericks in scoring, is 2nd in both RPG and APG. A look at his place on Mavs Season Leaderboards.

PPG: 20.2 - First
RPG: 6.4 - Second
APG: 4.2 - Second
SPG: 0.8 - Third
BPG: 0.3 - Fifth
FG%: 47.9% - Fourth (First Among Starters)
3PT%: 40.3% - Second (First Among Starters & First if You Exclude Debut Game)
FT%: 76.1% - Seventh (Fourth if you exclude Debut Game)
EFG%: 56.7% - Fourth (Second Among Starters)
TS%: 60% - Fourth (Second Among Starters)
WS: 0.4 - Fifth (Third Among Starters)
VORP: 0.1 - Fourth (Second Among Starters)
PER: 15.9 - Third (Second Among Starters
If you exclude his debut game against Phoenix, he's averaging 21.2/6.4/4.2 on 63.3% TS (That's MVP Nash level TS%)

burek3 · Post #622 » by **burek3** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:47 am

He truly wants to be the number 1. Even in the most Turnovers commited (46)

J_T · Post #623 » by **J_T** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:17 pm

burek3 wrote:He truly wants to be the number 1. Even in the most Turnovers commited (46)

Yeah, but he is not competing with teammates. Trae Young has 48, they are competing with each other for most turnovers.

burek3 · Post #624 » by **burek3** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:35 pm

J_T wrote:
burek3 wrote:He truly wants to be the number 1. Even in the most Turnovers commited (46)

Yeah, but he is not competing with teammates. Trae Young has 48, they are competing with each other for most turnovers.

Damn, he has to up his game then!

Archx · Post #625 » by **Archx** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:14 pm

burek3 wrote:He truly wants to be the number 1. Even in the most Turnovers commited (46)

Not sure why people complain about his TO's though... All top players in the league are in the 3-5 range lol. I'm not sure he will ever be under 3 as well. I mean Harden became the MVP with zero defense and high TO ratio. It's understandable, specially when DAJ can't catch at least 2 good lobs per game from him and then Luka looks bad on paper.

burek3 · Post #626 » by **burek3** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:39 pm

Archx wrote:
burek3 wrote:He truly wants to be the number 1. Even in the most Turnovers commited (46)

Not sure why people complain about his TO's though... All top players in the league are in the 3-5 range lol. I'm not sure he will ever be under 3 as well. I mean Harden became the MVP with zero defense and high TO ratio. It's understandable, specially when DAJ can't catch at least 2 good lobs per game from him and then Luka looks bad on paper.

These are rookie numbers. He should go for 8 TOs a night.

Pointguard01 · Post #627 » by **Pointguard01** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:16 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Disagree, Mitchell was an outlier with respect to rookie production, and not a PG at that. PGs take time to develop, really no reason to write DSJ off this quickly.

You cant force a player to be something he is not and DSJ is not an NBA level PG. He just doesnt understands the game well enough to be a good PG on the NBA level. A PG has to be the player who is the best suited for the role and not a player who is put in that position solely because of his size. DSJ is best suited at the 2, he will still get more than enough shots which will most likely be easier than the shots he is taking now. Carlisle should at least experiment with Doncic at the point for a couple of games and DSJ at SG to see how the offense looks. I think DSJs ceiling at SG 2 is much higher than at PG so they should put him there right away. At the very least they DSJ and Doncic should split the time at the position more equally...

I'm all for playing Luka at the 1 offensively and Dennis at the 2, my thing is the calls for trading DSj so quickly is nonsense. Again, he's far from untouchable, but no way would I trade him for a Mikal bridges or Frank Ntkinna as been suggested here. I'd trade him for a guy like Beal (especially if Wes was included to match salary) or jaylen brown however.

Agreed. DSJ still is 50-50 whether he can be a fringe All-Star or just a volume, below average NBA player. You can’t give up on him 5% thru his NBA career.

I would probably do that trade too, for a proven young ish player. But otherwise, we have to take the chance he could go to right direction. Look at Oladipo in Orlando and OKC. He was basically DSJ w defense. I’m sure Orlando is kicking themselves for giving up on him.

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Dundalis · Post #628 » by **Dundalis** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:29 am

The thing about DSJ is he isn't a Westbrook like chucker. Yes he can get tunnel vision and put up plenty of ill advised shots, but he is not the guy that just goes iso and just throws up shot after shot like say Wes has been doing. And I could easily see him being a good shooter with another 1 or 2 off seasons working on his shot, hell he's currently shooting 40% from 3. The playmaking and decision making is something some PG's don't really figure out for years, so to me the fact that he isn't constantly forcing up bad high volume shots game after game is a good thing, because it shows restraint, and that there's hope he's understanding that decision making is something you don't force. The one thing I really wish he'd do is be more aggressive initiating contact so he'd get to the line more.

Bob8 · Post #629 » by **Bob8** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:01 am

Dundalis wrote:The thing about DSJ is he isn't a Westbrook like chucker. Yes he can get tunnel vision and put up plenty of ill advised shots, but he is not the guy that just goes iso and just throws up shot after shot like say Wes has been doing. And I could easily see him being a good shooter with another 1 or 2 off seasons working on his shot, hell he's currently shooting 40% from 3. The playmaking and decision making is something some PG's don't really figure out for years, so to me the fact that he isn't constantly forcing up bad high volume shots game after game is a good thing, because it shows restraint, and that there's hope he's understanding that decision making is something you don't force. The one thing I really wish he'd do is be more aggressive initiating contact so he'd get to the line more.

I believe it’s one thing, if DSJ will become solid/good player and totally other, if he will ever fit with Luka. I can see first, but very unlikely second will happen. I can’t see DSJ becomes better Pg than Doncic. Meaning you want the ball in Doncic’s not DSJ’s hands. Best with Doncic goes, defensive guard, with good shot. He will never be good enough in D. So basically bet is, if he can be around 37% 3 points shooter on good volume. If he can, fit will be o.k. , but many players fits much better with Luka.

mcscotty · Post #630 » by **mcscotty** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm

I know it's early, but I feel confident saying you guys won the draft. Doncic is unbelievable. Smooth as butter.

burek3 · Post #631 » by **burek3** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:46 am

The problem with DSJ is he doesn't have the size to make good passes. Every pass is difficult for him.

Raido · Post #632 » by **Raido** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:05 pm

burek3 wrote:The problem with DSJ is he doesn't have the size to make good passes. Every pass is difficult for him.

Maybe I don't quite understand what you mean by "have the sizes to make good passes" but he has the exact same size as our own HOF point guard Steve Nash and he is taller then Lowry, Paul, etc. I don't see excuses there.

Dude is 20 year old PG. Give him some time to figure it out, his learning curve will take years. Yes, Dennis doesn't have creativity but he is willing playmaker. Luka will take care creativity, plays and pick and rolls. Smith is above-average ball handler that can help us when he figures out balance between his strengths and what team needs from him. He will be more consistent and succeed with more simple guard guard duties like entry passes, simpler plays, etc. Smith displayed already flashes of brilliance last year. Just lets hope he can improve his defense.

Bob8 · Post #633 » by **Bob8** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:48 pm

it's not only DSJ fault that he isn't good fit with Luka. It goes vice versa too. If Luka was good defender, we probably wouldn't have this conversation. Unfortunately they're both pretty bad. Luka's advantage is his size, so he can be hidden somewhere in front court. I believe this new rules and high scoring league, demand even more to have some great defenders or at least not too many bad ones. 2 in staring 5 might be too much, especially if Mavs doesn't have elite rim protector, wing or guard defender. All this is not a problem for 35 wins team, but if Mavs want's to become serious playoff team, this questions should be addressed.

arkuo · Post #634 » by **arkuo** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:27 pm

I wouldn't overanalyze a 19 and a 20 year old playing less than 15 games together. It takes a season or two. You guys need patience. It's not a video game.

Plutonashfan · Post #635 » by **Plutonashfan** » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:41 pm

Dude looks like a stud, the Hawks are idiots.

daoneandonly · Post #636 » by **daoneandonly** » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:43 pm

Plutonashfan wrote:Dude looks like a stud, the Hawks are idiots.

Im loving Luka, but I wouldnt go this far. Trae Young looks like eh cna be very solid himself, plus Hawks got what will be a very high pick

Plutonashfan · Post #637 » by **Plutonashfan** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:39 am

Oh forgot about the pick but Luka looks like a franchise player and someone that can give you a triple double on any given night. I only watched like 6 Dallas games due to the time difference but how is Luke's D looking right now.

agentofatlas · Post #638 » by **agentofatlas** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:20 am

burek3 wrote:The problem with DSJ is he doesn't have the size to make good passes. Every pass is difficult for him.

Man that is a very weird take considering we have Barea whose like 5'8 and is currently the team's best playmaker so far. Not to mention players like CP3 and Lowry.

burek3 · Post #639 » by **burek3** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:38 am

agentofatlas wrote:
burek3 wrote:The problem with DSJ is he doesn't have the size to make good passes. Every pass is difficult for him.

Man that is a very weird take considering we have Barea whose like 5'8 and is currently the team's best playmaker so far. Not to mention players like CP3 and Lowry.

I don't know... DSJ is known as "t-rex" on reddit. Take it as you will.

agentofatlas · Post #640 » by **agentofatlas** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:42 am

burek3 wrote:
agentofatlas wrote:
burek3 wrote:The problem with DSJ is he doesn't have the size to make good passes. Every pass is difficult for him.

Man that is a very weird take considering we have Barea whose like 5'8 and is currently the team's best playmaker so far. Not to mention players like CP3 and Lowry.

I don't know... DSJ is known as "t-rex" on reddit. Take it as you will.

Well I'm active there also so I'm pretty sure they're talking about his arm length which still doesn't justify your point about being to small to make good passes.

A better take would be that he is a scoring guard not a pass first one. Saying that he's too small to make good passes is just too ridiculous to say. Hell even with his arms he's still bigger than JJ.