Trade Discussion 22/23

[aggerrard]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/02/03/nba-rumors-dallas-mavericks-new-orleans-pelicans-trade-kristaps-porzingis/

Would you make this trade?

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Kristaps Porzingis
Dallas Mavericks Receive: Eric Bledsoe, JJ Redick, Jaxson Hayes, 2021 1st Round Pick, 2023 1st Round Pick, 2021 1st Round Pick (via LAL – Top 8-30 Prot.)

I am on the fence on this. It would give the Mavs the firepower to go after a big fish in a trade and free up a lot of salary. I still have hope that KP can be healthy, but I am starting to have my doubts.

Absolutely. KP might be able to play great offense and put up numbers, but his defense is absolutely pathetic.

[Mr B]

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[dirkforpres]

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I’d give 5 2nd rounders if it meant they’d take Powell back with them

[Apz]

I would do johnson powell and some 2nds. Woukdnt involve other players. No way ckeveland does it tho

[fuller4379]

Oops

[Apz]

Dint think brunson and powekl is enough salary. Got to be johnso and powell. Iirc brunson get like 2m and powell 11, johnson 16. And drummobd 28m ish

[fuller4379]

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I would like Drummond. We need a rebounder like him. He doesn’t shoot the three so there could be spacing issues, but I think three ball is over rated. Luka is smart and could make it work. His free throw shooting isn’t great, but he has improved.

I would not give a first rounder for him either. I don’t know how the salaries are going to match without THJ’s expiring. I would prefer to keep THJ. Brunson plus Johnson and Powell might get it done, but would we want to give up Brunson for a expiring?

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I would like Drummond. We need a rebounder like him. He doesn’t shoot the three so there could be spacing issues, but I think three ball is over rated. Luka is smart and could make it work. His free throw shooting isn’t great, but he has improved.

I would not give a first rounder for him either. I don’t know how the salaries are going to match without THJ’s expiring. I would prefer to keep THJ. Brunson plus Johnson and Powell might get it done, but would we want to give up Brunson for a expiring?

Why is everyone so obsessed with the idea that Drummond would kill spacing? Are you guys forgetting that last season (statistically) one of the best lineups were with Powell in the game. And i'm not sure that anyone thinks that Powell is anything close to Ray Allen. If it means getting Drummond for really cheap is possible, i think Mavs at this point have to really try anything to salvage this season.

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I would like Drummond. We need a rebounder like him. He doesn’t shoot the three so there could be spacing issues, but I think three ball is over rated. Luka is smart and could make it work. His free throw shooting isn’t great, but he has improved.

I would not give a first rounder for him either. I don’t know how the salaries are going to match without THJ’s expiring. I would prefer to keep THJ. Brunson plus Johnson and Powell might get it done, but would we want to give up Brunson for a expiring?

Why is everyone so obsessed with the idea that Drummond would kill spacing? Are you guys forgetting that last season (statistically) one of the best lineups were with Powell in the game. And i'm not sure that anyone thinks that Powell is anything close to Ray Allen. If it means getting Drummond for really cheap is possible, i think Mavs at this point have to really try anything to salvage this season.

Spacing is a stupidity even more for Dallas team. You need someone to catch the rebounds of the 3 shots failed.

Rounds are not important neither for Carlise.
Powell + all the second rounds in the world. Let's do it!

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[Mr B]

As far as spacing, it seems that maybe their desire to be a 3 pt shooting offense isn’t working. Maybe it’s time to try something else? Luka is very efficient from mid-range. Maybe it’s time to alter the offense?


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[ejs78]

Why are Mavs fans obsessed with Drummond? I am honestly asking as someone who's company had season tickets to Pistons games up until 2 years ago. I've seen him enough.


He's not a good defender
He sulks and isn't very mature
He thinks he's offensively gifted and he's not.
He had 4 coaches in Detroit and on his 5th in Cleveland all whom cant stop him from changing his ways.


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[dirkforpres]

Why are Mavs fans obsessed with Drummond? I am honestly asking as someone who's company had season tickets to Pistons games up until 2 years ago. I've seen him enough.


He's not a good defender
He sulks and isn't very mature
He thinks he's offensively gifted and he's not.
He had 4 coaches in Detroit and on his 5th in Cleveland all whom cant stop him from changing his ways.


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Can he rebound? That’s literally all I ask.

And for what is rumored to be for just a second rounder, where’s the risk?

[ejs78]

Yes he can do that but you already have 1 center who can't play D so why add another (just imagine the layup line being worse). Also will his rebounding help in the 4th qtr when hes not on the floor?

Offensively everyone wants KP to post up more. Drummond almost eliminates that spacing wise and then when people want Drummond to post they'll crap their pants after seeing how bad he is Offensively. For someone who's not a stretch big you'd think his FG% would be over 45%

His flaws far outweigh his 1 strength.

Why are Mavs fans obsessed with Drummond? I am honestly asking as someone who's company had season tickets to Pistons games up until 2 years ago. I've seen him enough.


He's not a good defender
He sulks and isn't very mature
He thinks he's offensively gifted and he's not.
He had 4 coaches in Detroit and on his 5th in Cleveland all whom cant stop him from changing his ways.


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Can he rebound? That’s literally all I ask.

And for what is rumored to be for just a second rounder, where’s the risk?

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[Mr B]

Yes he can do that but you already have 1 center who can't play D so why add another (just imagine the layup line being worse). Also will his rebounding help in the 4th qtr when hes not on the floor?

Offensively everyone wants KP to post up more. Drummond almost eliminates that spacing wise and then when people want Drummond to post they'll crap their pants after seeing how bad he is Offensively. For someone who's not a stretch big you'd think his FG% would be over 45%

His flaws far outweigh his 1 strength.

Why are Mavs fans obsessed with Drummond? I am honestly asking as someone who's company had season tickets to Pistons games up until 2 years ago. I've seen him enough.


He's not a good defender
He sulks and isn't very mature
He thinks he's offensively gifted and he's not.
He had 4 coaches in Detroit and on his 5th in Cleveland all whom cant stop him from changing his ways.


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Can he rebound? That’s literally all I ask.

And for what is rumored to be for just a second rounder, where’s the risk?

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And if he is all that you say he is, his contract is expiring so the Mavs are not stuck with him. They can move on. There’s literally no risk.


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[Teffer10]

What does Johnson, WCS, Burke and Green net us?
It seems these guys are expendable based on Rick's rotations lately.

[Teffer10]

Yes he can do that but you already have 1 center who can't play D so why add another (just imagine the layup line being worse). Also will his rebounding help in the 4th qtr when hes not on the floor?

Offensively everyone wants KP to post up more. Drummond almost eliminates that spacing wise and then when people want Drummond to post they'll crap their pants after seeing how bad he is Offensively. For someone who's not a stretch big you'd think his FG% would be over 45%

His flaws far outweigh his 1 strength.

Why are Mavs fans obsessed with Drummond? I am honestly asking as someone who's company had season tickets to Pistons games up until 2 years ago. I've seen him enough.


He's not a good defender
He sulks and isn't very mature
He thinks he's offensively gifted and he's not.
He had 4 coaches in Detroit and on his 5th in Cleveland all whom cant stop him from changing his ways.


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Can he rebound? That’s literally all I ask.

And for what is rumored to be for just a second rounder, where’s the risk?

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I've been on the "say no to Drummond" bandwagon all along but it seems rebounding is a key factor for us.
Not sure of the exact stats but it seems we win games when we win the rebounding stat.
If all it takes is a few players that rarely play, and he is an expiring, then by all means trade for the guy.

[arkuo]

Maybe Cuban has plans to camp outside Oladipo's place and try to sign him the first hour of free agency. THJ, Johnson and Richardson (if he opts out) can walk.

[JD45]

I've been on the "say no to Drummond" bandwagon all along but it seems rebounding is a key factor for us.
Not sure of the exact stats but it seems we win games when we win the rebounding stat.
If all it takes is a few players that rarely play, and he is an expiring, then by all means trade for the guy.

A big issue with a Drummond trade is making the salaries match. The Mavs can't just trade Johnson for him. So they end up having to add Powell, and some assets to make Cleveland take Powell, or send JRich or THJ in a bigger trade, which likely makes the Mavs worse.

[ejs78]

The risk is he you trade for him and you get another Rondo situation. You've all seen Rick pull guys like Burke and Green after a dumb play. Drummond is the king of dumb plays

If hes so great at just one thing ask your self why was he traded for basically nothing, why is he being traded again for nothing, and why aren't there really any rumors right now linking him to terms. Remember Cleveland a pretty bad franchise traded for him and no centenders even inquired about him.

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[Archx]

Think we can all stop dreaming about trades unless something drastic happens.

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