Trade Discussion 22/23

arkuo · Post #681 » by **arkuo** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 6:04 pm

Archx wrote:Think we can all stop dreaming about trades unless something drastic happens.

Read on Twitter

Cuban will ride this thing until the wheels fall off.

I think they plan to slow build this thing which isnt a bad thing. They can experiment up to the time KP's contract expires I would think.

Archx · Post #682 » by **Archx** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 6:09 pm

arkuo wrote:
Archx wrote:Think we can all stop dreaming about trades unless something drastic happens.

Read on Twitter

Cuban will ride this thing until the wheels fall off.

I think they plan to slow build this thing which isnt a bad thing. They can experiment up to the time KP's contract expires I would think.

Yeah i guess. They did say something similar, what you just pointed out, when they signed KP. And also, apparently Mark called Rick the other day to tell him privately that he has his full support and nothing has changed. Rick then asked him to speak to the entire team before the game, which also apparently he has never done before.

So, my way of thinking is, they will ride this team until the end of the season and then do whatever they have to.

arkuo · Post #683 » by **arkuo** » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:26 pm

I read a random article about how a Porzingis for Karl Towns swap might be possible if KAT wants out of a losing situation in Minnesota.

Personally Im on the fence since KAT doesnt play much defense, if any.

On the other hand, Porzingis may play more defense but his career longevity is in question and may not stay on the court for too long either.

dirkforpres · Post #684 » by **dirkforpres** » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:56 pm

arkuo wrote:I read a random article about how a Porzingis for Karl Towns swap might be possible if KAT wants out of a losing situation in Minnesota.

Personally Im on the fence since KAT doesnt play much defense, if any.

On the other hand, Porzingis may play more defense but his career longevity is in question and may not stay on the court for too long either.

I think Towns getting a change of scenery would be best for his career, so I’d do it if I’m Dallas... but Minnesota would get killed for doing this

Some smartguy · Post #685 » by **Some smartguy** » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:59 pm

arkuo wrote:I read a random article about how a Porzingis for Karl Towns swap might be possible if KAT wants out of a losing situation in Minnesota.

Personally Im on the fence since KAT doesnt play much defense, if any.

On the other hand, Porzingis may play more defense but his career longevity is in question and may not stay on the court for too long either.

I saw the same thing lol. I'd do the deal in a heartbeat if I'm Dallas, but the T-Wolves would only do that if they finally accepted to blow it up.

Some smartguy · Post #686 » by **Some smartguy** » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:00 pm

Just find a KP trade for a better off-ball player who can play more consistently. Honestly, I'd take Drummond for KP almost straight up. I have to admit I've always loved the idea of Bam+Luka...

Post #687 » by **Mavrelous** » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:08 pm

Bam and Luka is amazing, but BAM is retiring in Miami

arkuo · Post #688 » by **arkuo** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:33 pm

KhalilS wrote:Bam and Luka is amazing, but BAM is retiring in Miami

Jokic has a better chance (albeit small) of moving to Dallas than Bam leaving Miami.

Jokic and Doncic would be Harlem Globetrotter levels of in-game passing.

Bob8 · Post #689 » by **Bob8** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:59 pm

What realistically can Richardson and KP bring us?

Post #690 » by **Mavrelous** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:43 pm

You'd be selling very low on both, not a wise move IMO

TheOGJabroni · Post #691 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:48 pm

Celtics fan here. Is Josh Richardson someone the Mavs might make available, and if so, is there an idea of what it would cost for the C's to acquire him? We need wing depth since the loss of Hayward but ideally, someone with a smaller usage rate. He'd easily fit into out TPE and is someone who would always give us problems when he was with Miami/Philly.

daoneandonly · Post #692 » by **daoneandonly** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:54 pm

KP is the problem, not Josh Richardson. Josh plays within himself and is far more team oriented, KP is too soft and cares about his stats first. You cant trust these pretty boys like Parsons, Oubre, and KP, they wont get physical because they dont want to get hit. They care too much about their potential as models.

If Atl would do KP for Capela/Snall/Protected First, take it and run

Bob8 · Post #693 » by **Bob8** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:02 pm

daoneandonly wrote:KP is the problem, not Josh Richardson. Josh plays within himself and is far more team oriented, KP is too soft and cares about his stats first. You cant trust these pretty boys like Parsons, Oubre, and KP, they wont get physical because they dont want to get hit. They care too much about their potential as models.

If Atl would do KP for Capela/Snall/Protected First, take it and run

Josh brings nothing to Mavs, Brunson is superior player to him and he is one of few players with some value in Mavs. Why should he be of the market?

daoneandonly · Post #694 » by **daoneandonly** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:35 pm

Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:KP is the problem, not Josh Richardson. Josh plays within himself and is far more team oriented, KP is too soft and cares about his stats first. You cant trust these pretty boys like Parsons, Oubre, and KP, they wont get physical because they dont want to get hit. They care too much about their potential as models.

If Atl would do KP for Capela/Snall/Protected First, take it and run

Josh brings nothing to Mavs, Brunson is superior player to him and he is one of few players with some value in Mavs. Why should he be of the market?

He plays defense better than anyone else on this tema, is the only other guy on the team not named Luka who can dish out more than 5 assists in a game. The guy is on a new team recovering from COVID, he deserves some slack.

Brunson for all he did yesterday, almost single handedly lost the game yesterday with his selfish me first move at the end

Bob8 · Post #695 » by **Bob8** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:58 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:KP is the problem, not Josh Richardson. Josh plays within himself and is far more team oriented, KP is too soft and cares about his stats first. You cant trust these pretty boys like Parsons, Oubre, and KP, they wont get physical because they dont want to get hit. They care too much about their potential as models.

If Atl would do KP for Capela/Snall/Protected First, take it and run

Josh brings nothing to Mavs, Brunson is superior player to him and he is one of few players with some value in Mavs. Why should he be of the market?

He plays defense better than anyone else on this tema, is the only other guy on the team not named Luka who can dish out more than 5 assists in a game. The guy is on a new team recovering from COVID, he deserves some slack.

Brunson for all he did yesterday, almost single handedly lost the game yesterday with his selfish me first move at the end

Josh playing great D is more or less urban legend. Every advanced stats say that Josh's D is pretty bad.

DRPM - 1.42; DBPM - 1.5.

He's averaging 2.5 assists, which is bad. Brunson who is playing 10 minutes per game less is averaging 3.5. Richardson's +/- and on/off are pretty bad too. His advanced stats and 3pts% disastrous. Only thing I can agree is to give him more time, because of Covid, but not much more.

Brunson is selfish, but he can shoot, score and he can create at least for himself. Richardson cannot do anything from that. I never particularly liked Seth, but that trade is looking worse and worse every day.

Post #696 » by **Mavrelous** » Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:51 pm

I think the trade was for cap purposes, it shaved off Curry's contract from this off season, but I'm not sure now Jrich will opt out.

arkuo · Post #697 » by **arkuo** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:50 am

People forget that the trade for Richardson was to clear Curry's contract off the books while getting a wing player in the process. Richardson can opt out and that essentially is an expiring contract. Along with THJ and James Johnson walking, that's instantly a max slot.

So I dont get the overanalysis with Richardson when even management is open to not having him and James Johnson back next year if they walk.

Bob8 · Post #698 » by **Bob8** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:04 am

arkuo wrote:People forget that the trade for Richardson was to clear Curry's contract off the books while getting a wing player in the process. Richardson can opt out and that essentially is an expiring contract. Along with THJ and James Johnson walking, that's instantly a max slot.

So I dont get the overanalysis with Richardson when even management is open to not having him and James Johnson back next year if they walk.

Max slot for who? Curry and THJ are the only shooters Mavs had. Curry had very friendly contract too. Where would you get great shooter for under 8 mio per year? You need to get rid of Curry's contract, while you gave 33/3 to Powell 1 year before? :lol:

THJ is the only reason Mavs are still alive this season. Where went a theory to surround Luka with shooters? Empty Max slots are not playing basketball. Mavs management should get rid of their contracts first, we should have empty max management slot.

arkuo · Post #699 » by **arkuo** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:24 am

Bob8 wrote:Max slot for who?

That was a shot Cuban took and missed. In business you have to take risks. His risk tolerance was higher than most.

But either way it tells you the direction the team is going. He's willing to wipe the team clean (except for Luka or KP) for a chance to sign A-grade talent.

arkuo · Post #700 » by **arkuo** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:38 am

Bob8 wrote: Mavs management should get rid of their contracts first, we should have empty max management slot.

That would be like the government. But the Mavs are a privately owned company. There are favors being traded and concessions given on a business level. And God knows why Donnie still has his job today. Even Brunson got drafted because his dad was friends with Carlisle.