Trade Discussion 22/23

[Ni Da Ye]

We should get at least one of these two: Reggie Jackson or Will Barton

[HMFFL]

Atlanta is 29th in the NBA in shot attempts from the 3 point line. ATL's defense has improved but the offense has suffered a bit.

Wonder if THJ can interest them. He shoots a lot of 3s but does not play a lot of defense too. Either way you gotta sacrifice something. Capela for THJ straight up?

No chance Atl touches that. THJ sucks, Capela is a legit rim protector and lob threat

The lob threat is where his value is because he's so good at the skill. Luka would have a new toy at the 5.

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[BliscoSantos]

Mavs have to patch the holes in roster with the Players who Will be bought out...they need to find a capable wing Player ,another playmaker and big Man wouldn't Hurt...Reggie Jackson would be the obvious choice for another pg (bit I think he's Phoenix bound)...Terrence Ross could be a good adition if he's bought out...and as for the big Man I have no clue(not a Dedmon fan, doubt he could get playing time)

[Mr B]

He wasn’t? Why do you feel the need to change reality. It’s a fact of that KP was playing better before getting traded.

Porzingis 21.8PER .561TS%
Dinwiddie 13.2PER .501TS%
Bertans 8.3PER .527TS%

I can’t believe what you just said.

KP was playing like trash when he got traded to Washington and every (especially here) thought his injury had ruined him because his defense had gotten so bad. It’s easy to have revisionist history and look back and say Mavs should have gotten more. But at the time that wasn’t the case.

I provided numbers of all 3 players before the trade, KP was obviously better. Revisionism is saying that KP didn’t really play better than Dinwiddie and Bertans (who are also bad defensively).

It’s weird that you keep arguing when the numbers are there for everyone to see. I don’t get this.

Numbers don’t tell the whole story. There were plenty of games where KP would end up with good numbers but had a **** game.

[leolozon]

KP was playing like trash when he got traded to Washington and every (especially here) thought his injury had ruined him because his defense had gotten so bad. It’s easy to have revisionist history and look back and say Mavs should have gotten more. But at the time that wasn’t the case.

I provided numbers of all 3 players before the trade, KP was obviously better. Revisionism is saying that KP didn’t really play better than Dinwiddie and Bertans (who are also bad defensively).

It’s weird that you keep arguing when the numbers are there for everyone to see. I don’t get this.

We had such a fun WCF run last year. Would we have done that with KP? Maybe, maybe not, but I loved that postseason

I did too. That’s not the point. I don’t care about KP, I didn’t even want the Mavs to trade for him. The point is that he said that KP wasn’t really better than Dinwiddie and Bertans pre-trade which is obviously wrong. I don’t get when people argue a position that makes no sense. Dinwiddie was atrocious in Washington (his teammates also hated him) and Bertans was even worst.

[41Dirk41]

He's sad I blocked him, constantly quotes me and puts me in his sig.

Talking to a lawyer about a restraining order

I mean you gotta admit those quotes in the signature are pretty funny. We've all been there bro relax, drink some wine, kiss a girl.

Unfortunately the space is limited (like daoneandmoron brain) but there are a lot of funny quotes from him... About DeRozan, Bogdanovic, Dragic, Josh Green ecc ecc

[41Dirk41]

I don't think so, Powell is an expires easily tradable.
A package with him could be good for some small moves.
They only stayed on the pat after the Kyrie trade, same old story.
Everytime the have to make the ultimate move they fail.

You stopped to post here after all the bullsh*t in the "2011 vs 2022 comparison topic", just like daoneandmoron did.
You two are embarassing poster. Sorry.
Please support each other, the posts remain. And they still make laugh a lot.

Trust me posts like yours are the reason good posters leave this place.

B, you don't like the 2nd grade level English?

You two are embarrassing poster
And they still make laugh a lot

I must admit it, you write a lot of bullsh*t in perfect English.

[41Dirk41]

I always love the Mavs didnt even try to do anything line as if we all have access to what the FO is doing. Mavs likely tried several things and the other team said no which is hard for some to grasp.

Would have been nice to address one of the three major issues, but no deals are better than a bad deal

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=ZufWmiV_moxdt_wJD4Qp8A

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

[ejs78]

Would have been nice to address one of the three major issues, but no deals are better than a bad deal

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=ZufWmiV_moxdt_wJD4Qp8A

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

You might want to go back and read what he said about trading a first for Thybulle.

Also when you praised the FO were you drunk cuz you kinda flip flopped pretty fast?

[BeiBeau]

Would have been nice to address one of the three major issues, but no deals are better than a bad deal

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=ZufWmiV_moxdt_wJD4Qp8A

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

Counter point, they needed to improve when Luka was not on the floor and Kyrie does that unlike SD.

Also do I miss the hell out of DFS both a fan and on the court yes. Do I think Dallas could use DFS and he would help tremendously? For sure. But also as discussed many times before, Josh is ready for DFS’s spot. I know he doesn’t have the experience yet but he wasn’t going to get that experience behind DFS. Never mind the scoring he put up against the Jazz. The defense he put up against Kawhi yesterday was elite.

Also, and I think the rehashes a conversation we agree to never have again, but Dwight has been better this year on defense. And I think they need him right now. If nothing else he eats up minutes so that Maxi can rest and be ready for the playoffs. I’m not saying Dwight is gonna give us 30 in the playoffs but with his improved play he can give us 25-30 in the RS and 10-15 in the PO. And right now RS matters too. We still have some standings we need to climb.

[41Dirk41]

Wood showing on Twitter he's exactly who Houston, Detroit, New Orleans, Milwaukee and everyone else said he was.

The worry that I have is that Wood might start playing more selfish now because he's going to want to "get his" and ensure those stats remain good so he can get the contract he wants. We need him to play like Bobby Portis does for the Bucks especially now that we have Kyrie. Play some D, do the dirty work and hit the open shots. My fear is that he'll instead try and be Demarcus Cousins.

Let's hope he can continue to be a good teammate because he certainly has talent and we need him with the lack of frontcourt depth.

What do you expect after publicly shopping him for 1 month?
If we don't extend him before the season we probably will face another Brunson situation...

[BeiBeau]

Wood showing on Twitter he's exactly who Houston, Detroit, New Orleans, Milwaukee and everyone else said he was.

The worry that I have is that Wood might start playing more selfish now because he's going to want to "get his" and ensure those stats remain good so he can get the contract he wants. We need him to play like Bobby Portis does for the Bucks especially now that we have Kyrie. Play some D, do the dirty work and hit the open shots. My fear is that he'll instead try and be Demarcus Cousins.

Let's hope he can continue to be a good teammate because he certainly has talent and we need him with the lack of frontcourt depth.

What do you expect after publicly shopping him for 1 month?
If we don't extend him before the season we probably will face another Brunson situation...

Maybe but where as all 30 teams would’ve signed Brunson at 4/80. I don’t see a similar market for Christian. Dallas will offer him 2-3 at 20 million a year and they will probably have to compete with 3 teams or so.

[41Dirk41]

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=ZufWmiV_moxdt_wJD4Qp8A

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

Counter point, they needed to improve when Luka was not on the floor and Kyrie does that unlike SD.

Also do I miss the hell out of DFS both a fan and on the court yes. Do I think Dallas could use DFS and he would help tremendously? For sure. But also as discussed many times before, Josh is ready for DFS’s spot. I know he doesn’t have the experience yet but he wasn’t going to get that experience behind DFS. Never mind the scoring he put up against the Jazz. The defense he put up against Kawhi yesterday was elite.

Also, and I think the rehashes a conversation we agree to never have again, but Dwight has been better this year on defense. And I think they need him right now. If nothing else he eats up minutes so that Maxi can rest and be ready for the playoffs. I’m not saying Dwight is gonna give us 30 in the playoffs but with his improved play he can give us 25-30 in the RS and 10-15 in the PO. And right now RS matters too. We still have some standings we need to climb.

The DFS-Green affair is only about forum pride, after years of bad post again Josh someone can't change opinion because it'sa shame. So this is what happened

I love Powell hustle, he has the perfect attitude but face the reality in PO he is unplayable and Kleber is a back up PF/C.
We need a strong improve by Wood... And i will happy if will happens but a strong PO run by him without an extension would lead us to another Brunson drama in June.
It's a lose-lose situation.

[ejs78]

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

Counter point, they needed to improve when Luka was not on the floor and Kyrie does that unlike SD.

Also do I miss the hell out of DFS both a fan and on the court yes. Do I think Dallas could use DFS and he would help tremendously? For sure. But also as discussed many times before, Josh is ready for DFS’s spot. I know he doesn’t have the experience yet but he wasn’t going to get that experience behind DFS. Never mind the scoring he put up against the Jazz. The defense he put up against Kawhi yesterday was elite.

Also, and I think the rehashes a conversation we agree to never have again, but Dwight has been better this year on defense. And I think they need him right now. If nothing else he eats up minutes so that Maxi can rest and be ready for the playoffs. I’m not saying Dwight is gonna give us 30 in the playoffs but with his improved play he can give us 25-30 in the RS and 10-15 in the PO. And right now RS matters too. We still have some standings we need to climb.

The DFS-Green affair is only about forum pride, after years of bad post again Josh someone can't change opinion because it'sa shame. So this is what happened

I love Powell hustle, he has the perfect attitude but face the reality in PO he is unplayable and Kleber is a back up PF/C.
We need a strong improve by Wood... And i will happy if will happens but a strong PO run by him without an extension would lead us to another Brunson drama in June.
It's a lose-lose situation.

Sorry, but its not even close to a Brunson situation if he walks.

[41Dirk41]

The worry that I have is that Wood might start playing more selfish now because he's going to want to "get his" and ensure those stats remain good so he can get the contract he wants. We need him to play like Bobby Portis does for the Bucks especially now that we have Kyrie. Play some D, do the dirty work and hit the open shots. My fear is that he'll instead try and be Demarcus Cousins.

Let's hope he can continue to be a good teammate because he certainly has talent and we need him with the lack of frontcourt depth.

What do you expect after publicly shopping him for 1 month?
If we don't extend him before the season we probably will face another Brunson situation...

Maybe but where as all 30 teams would’ve signed Brunson at 4/80. I don’t see a similar market for Christian. Dallas will offer him 2-3 at 20 million a year and they will probably have to compete with 3 teams or so.

Before last PO nobody wanted Brunson at that price ... Then happens what happens and he screwed us, or probably we screwed ourself.

Cuban probably will put the team in a weird situation again...

[41Dirk41]

Counter point, they needed to improve when Luka was not on the floor and Kyrie does that unlike SD.

Also do I miss the hell out of DFS both a fan and on the court yes. Do I think Dallas could use DFS and he would help tremendously? For sure. But also as discussed many times before, Josh is ready for DFS’s spot. I know he doesn’t have the experience yet but he wasn’t going to get that experience behind DFS. Never mind the scoring he put up against the Jazz. The defense he put up against Kawhi yesterday was elite.

Also, and I think the rehashes a conversation we agree to never have again, but Dwight has been better this year on defense. And I think they need him right now. If nothing else he eats up minutes so that Maxi can rest and be ready for the playoffs. I’m not saying Dwight is gonna give us 30 in the playoffs but with his improved play he can give us 25-30 in the RS and 10-15 in the PO. And right now RS matters too. We still have some standings we need to climb.

The DFS-Green affair is only about forum pride, after years of bad post again Josh someone can't change opinion because it'sa shame. So this is what happened

I love Powell hustle, he has the perfect attitude but face the reality in PO he is unplayable and Kleber is a back up PF/C.
We need a strong improve by Wood... And i will happy if will happens but a strong PO run by him without an extension would lead us to another Brunson drama in June.
It's a lose-lose situation.

Sorry, but its not even close to a Brunson situation if he walks.

I really Hope that... But the risk Is here, i remember last year post about Brunson in January/February

[ejs78]

The DFS-Green affair is only about forum pride, after years of bad post again Josh someone can't change opinion because it'sa shame. So this is what happened

I love Powell hustle, he has the perfect attitude but face the reality in PO he is unplayable and Kleber is a back up PF/C.
We need a strong improve by Wood... And i will happy if will happens but a strong PO run by him without an extension would lead us to another Brunson drama in June.
It's a lose-lose situation.

Sorry, but its not even close to a Brunson situation if he walks.

I really Hope that... But the risk Is here, i remember last year post about Brunson in January/February

Last year teams like the Knicks were being linked to Brunson and he's really close to an all star.

No team is being linked to Wood currently. Basically for 1.5 years the Rockets and Mavs have shopped him to little return and nothing. This board can have whatever perception they want of Wood, but the league is telling everyone that he's not all that.

His rumors were for Reggie Jackson who is a buyout candidate and Collins who has a terrible contract.

2023 cap space teams
Houston- Not going back
Indy-Wouldnt count on it
SA-Wouldnt count on it
Detroit- Not got going back
Utah-Wouldnt count on it
OKC- Wouldnt count on it
Orlando- Wouldnt count on it

Do we really think teams not on this list are going to open up cap space for Wood? Could happen but I wouldnt bet on it and if he leaves there wont be much drama. Ask yourself why didnt we hear and upset Piston/Rockets fans when he left for nothing?

[BeiBeau]

Sorry, but its not even close to a Brunson situation if he walks.

I really Hope that... But the risk Is here, i remember last year post about Brunson in January/February

Last year teams like the Knicks were being linked to Brunson and he's really close to an all star.

No team is being linked to Wood currently. Basically for 1.5 years the Rockets and Mavs have shopped him to little return and nothing. This board can have whatever perception they want of Wood, but the league is telling everyone that he's not all that.

His rumors were for Reggie Jackson who is a buyout candidate and Collins who has a terrible contract.

2023 cap space teams
Houston- Not going back
Indy-Wouldnt count on it
SA-Wouldnt count on it
Detroit- Not got going back
Utah-Wouldnt count on it
OKC- Wouldnt count on it
Orlando- Wouldnt count on it

Do we really think teams not on this list are going to open up cap space for Wood? Could happen but I wouldnt bet on it and if he leaves there wont be much drama. Ask yourself why didnt we hear and upset Piston/Rockets fans when he left for nothing?

Yeah seems like Dallas is playing hardball with Christian because it doesn’t seem like he’s got a huge market.

[Mr B]

Would have been nice to address one of the three major issues, but no deals are better than a bad deal

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=ZufWmiV_moxdt_wJD4Qp8A

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

Serious question, if you hate the players and your hate the front office and ownership and you hate the way they run the team and you’re not from Dallas why do you follow the Mavs and post on a Mavs message board. You know you’re more than free to follow another team right? The Lakers have room on their band wagon. I’m sure the Suns fans will accept you.

[Mr B]

Would have been nice to address one of the three major issues, but no deals are better than a bad deal

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=ZufWmiV_moxdt_wJD4Qp8A

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

I’m guessing American English might not be your first language so maybe that tweet didn’t translate well. It is says that Nico did not want to do the trade for Thybulle because the Sixers wanted a FRP. Thybulle is not worst a 1st round pick so Nico declined the trade.

Also I believe if any team was willing to trade for THJ then the Mavs would have traded him. It’s likely a team that was willing to take in THJ’s contract would also want a FRP. Nico was not willing to trade picks and I’m ok with that. I’m also ok with them not willing to trade Green and Hardy. Better to make no deal than to make a bad deal.