Trade Discussion 22/23

[dirkules_41]

Trade w/BKN:

BKN Receives: D. Bertans / J. McGee / '25 Unprotected 1st / '26 Pick Swap / '30 2nd / Full 6.8M Cash Considerations
DAL Receives: D. Finney-Smith / P. Mills / D. Sharpe

That's a crazy bad trade. I get DFS is our guy and we love him but he's gonna be 30 and is a quite limited player. No way you give away an UNPROTECTED 1st and a Pick swap and a 2nd... pure madness.
Bertans will have 1 year at $5m left so offloading his contract isn't relevant value either.

I'm rarely (if ever) antagonistic on this forum, but the ignorance you brandished with your 'UNPROTECTED' in all caps simply has to be addressed: The Mavericks are not able to beneficially protect either of their remaining tradeable picks this decade. For illustration, the reason we couldn't include our 2025 1st in any trades this year is because of the Top-10 protection we put on our 2023 1st owed to New York from the Porzingis trade. If we finished as a bottom 10 team this year, we'd keep our pick and owe them our 2024 1st instead (again Top-10 protected). In the hypothetically unfortunate event we were bottom 10 again the following season, we'd keep our 2024 1st and be forced to convey our 2025 2nd round pick instead. However, under this scenario, if we were to finish in the top 20 next year (after finishing bottom 10 this year), our 2024 pick would have indeed conveyed to NYK - rendering our 2025 1st round pick untradeable per the Stepien Rule which prevents teams from trading their own firsts in back to back years. The mere possibility we'd have to trade our 2024 1st is enough to preclude us from trading our 2025 1st until the 2023 1st is conveyed. This 'potentially conveyable' concept even extends to 2nd rounders. Case in point, leading up to the this year's deadline, our 2025 2nd round pick was (and still is) not legally tradeable because it was still possible for it to one day be owed to NYK. This is the unspoken downside of many of these protection mechanisms.

Say the Mavericks were to top-whatever protect their 2025 1st in some trade this summer. Assuming the league approves this transaction (an unlikely presumption as you'll soon see) if we somehow managed to retain the pick that year, what future pick are you converting it to? If it becomes our 2026 or 2027 picks we will not be able to trade our 2027 pick until the summer of 2025 at the earliest, and that's only if the 2025 1st was conveyed. Moreover, even if a team were to benevolently agree to some distant deferment in order to preserve the Maverick's transactional flexibility, we don't even own a future 2nd round pick the protected pick could convert to until 2030. While a protection on either of our two tradeable picks might be technically possible, it now should be clear that it is not practically beneficial for the team's future maneuverability.

With all that being said, if we set aside the practical and technical reasons why crying over pick protections is absurd, this deal (as I thought I made pretty clear in my original post) is only something I'd consider if and when Kyrie resigns. Obviously if he doesn't, a Dorian reunion is far from the best way we should use that pick. However, if and when Kyrie does resign, our 2025 first immediately loses SIGNIFICANT projected value across the league. Consequently, insisting on even light protection of said pick would not only indicate a gross ignorance of the market on the part of our FO, but it would kill any negotiation for an impact player and could even be read by other teams as dealing in bad faith. Moreover, a swap right in 2026 becomes similarly worthless, and a 2nd round pick in 2030 is ... well ... a 2nd round pick in 2030 ... But, if after this education you still maintain that surrendering such a 'treasure trove' of assets while offloading ~35M in unplayable salary is "pure madness" for 3 players on great contracts that can actually capably fill the roles this roster needs, then Godspeed.

This is far too much text - please highlight the relevant portion where you explain why you're going all in on a heavily romanticized ex-Mav with strong on court limitations. I'm not gonna read the whole novel.

[Jg41]

The fact that you could even categorize that package as "all-in" proves your ignorance.

[Apz]

if its a 1st it is all in tbh. But cba to read all that tbh

[dirkules_41]

The fact that you could even categorize that package as "all-in" proves your ignorance.

Like apz said... trading any 1st of the last 2 we can trade for a 30 yo extremely limited player is going all-in. Doesn't require a reading followed by a book signing session to see that. I appreciate we all like Dodo as a guy but this is terrible value.

[Ni Da Ye]

Reggie Jackson?

[Archx]

BKN Receives: D. Bertans / J. McGee / '25 Unprotected 1st / '26 Pick Swap / '30 2nd / Full 6.8M Cash Considerations
DAL Receives: D. Finney-Smith / P. Mills / D. Sharpe

Damn, this is a wild trade.

[Mr B]

Reggie Jackson?

He’s going to the Suns isn’t he?

[Ni Da Ye]

Ross is good for us!

[BeiBeau]

What's the best defensive center we can get this offseason?

Also assuming we resign Kyrie to a max and let Wood walk can we receive a S&T?

[Mavrelous]

What's the best defensive center we can get this offseason?

Also assuming we resign Kyrie to a max and let Wood walk can we receive a S&T?

I still think Turner is in play, S&T of Wood + picks for Turner, he wants to be in DAL.

[arkuo]

What's the best defensive center we can get this offseason?

Also assuming we resign Kyrie to a max and let Wood walk can we receive a S&T?

Ideally Dallas involves Wood in a S&T to get something back. The problem lies with Wood if he thinks he's worth $25M per year when in fact he's a $13 to $15M player. You may sign him to that deal but it would be difficult to find takers for him as seen during this trade deadline. The market for him was non existent. I don't know what his agent has been feeding his mind, but he's not worth say, $100M for 4 years.

[BliscoSantos]

The Mavs need a defensive big and wing...this has to be a priority in the offseason...hope Kyrie stays ,but i have my doubts...think he's gonna want to ring chase with either the Suns,Lakers or Heat

[Dirk]

The Mavs need a defensive big and wing...this has to be a priority in the offseason...hope Kyrie stays ,but i have my doubts...think he's gonna want to ring chase with either the Suns,Lakers or Heat

I guess you think he is taking discounts to play with those teams, despite wanting out of the Nets because he wouldn't take their offers and wanted the max.

[BliscoSantos]

The Mavs need a defensive big and wing...this has to be a priority in the offseason...hope Kyrie stays ,but i have my doubts...think he's gonna want to ring chase with either the Suns,Lakers or Heat

I guess you think he is taking discounts to play with those teams, despite wanting out of the Nets because he wouldn't take their offers and wanted the max.

I doubt he takes a discount,maybe a Little.. i think it's more likely he tells the Mavs sign&trade me or Loose me for nothing (i think the Lakers can offer him 30 mio with all their expirings)

[arkuo]

The Mavs need a defensive big and wing...this has to be a priority in the offseason...hope Kyrie stays ,but i have my doubts...think he's gonna want to ring chase with either the Suns,Lakers or Heat

I guess you think he is taking discounts to play with those teams, despite wanting out of the Nets because he wouldn't take their offers and wanted the max.

I doubt he takes a discount,maybe a Little.. i think it's more likely he tells the Mavs sign&trade me or Loose me for nothing (i think the Lakers can offer him 30 mio with all their expirings)

I'm of the unpopular opinion, that if Kyrie helps win Dallas a championship this year, I think Cuban is bold enough to allow him to walk to a different team. He can wash his hands after.

But if he doesn't win a chip this year, Cuban will probably be signing him to a full max.

[BliscoSantos]

Kyrie signing an extension would actually be a good thing...Players like KAI and you could get some solid veterans for cheap,which is a pipe dream now..Ross going to Suns,Danny Green to cavs ,Reggie Jackson to Denver...Mavs are gonna get someone like Ibaka to help keeping the bench warm...i think Kidd should give some minutes to Morris...Mavs need someone to Billy other teams Players...that becomes even more valuable in the playoffs

[dirkules_41]

I guess you think he is taking discounts to play with those teams, despite wanting out of the Nets because he wouldn't take their offers and wanted the max.

I doubt he takes a discount,maybe a Little.. i think it's more likely he tells the Mavs sign&trade me or Loose me for nothing (i think the Lakers can offer him 30 mio with all their expirings)

I'm of the unpopular opinion, that if Kyrie helps win Dallas a championship this year, I think Cuban is bold enough to allow him to walk to a different team. He can wash his hands after.

That makes no sense whatsoever as it would mean losing Luka eventually.

[41Dirk41]

I guess you think he is taking discounts to play with those teams, despite wanting out of the Nets because he wouldn't take their offers and wanted the max.

I doubt he takes a discount,maybe a Little.. i think it's more likely he tells the Mavs sign&trade me or Loose me for nothing (i think the Lakers can offer him 30 mio with all their expirings)

I'm of the unpopular opinion, that if Kyrie helps win Dallas a championship this year, I think Cuban is bold enough to allow him to walk to a different team. He can wash his hands after.

But if he doesn't win a chip this year, Cuban will probably be signing him to a full max.

Tyson Chandler who????

[Michaellam1987]

Honestly I cant under why Powell constantly get more playing time over Wood. Is Powell really that much better defensively over Wood?

[41Dirk41]

Honestly I cant under why Powell constantly get more playing time over Wood. Is Powell really that much better defensively over Wood?

Probably he knows some Cuban secret... WikiLeaks should analyze the situation.