Trade Discussion 22/23

[ejs78]

Saw it from a mile away. GJ Kidd, giving McGee and Powell more time than Wood. Lately looks like even Pinson is ahead of Wood.

Tim Cato in his most recent article: Claims Christian Wood isnt happy coming off the bench with his minutes rotation, will depart from the team this summer almost certainly.

I thought he was all about doing whatever it takes to win . I think he should be in that 25-28 min range and Kidd is shorting him some but the dude just wants his money while not caring who it comes from.

I don't think that's true. He repeatedly said he wants to stay and was afraid of being traded. He was even in constant contact with Kidd and Nico.

Draymond suggested Wood should get around 15M and that was basically cheap DFS' money. I reckon Mavs had no intentions of resigning him, instead just used him as a trade bait.

Next years core of Luka/Green/THJ is becoming more and more a reality.

You don't think Wood saying he didn't want to be traded has something to do with his poor reputation? Him staying in a winning situation and being a good soldier is his best path to his next contract after acting like a child in Houston.

Yes everyone is going to leave so let's not even bother playing any more games.


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[Archx]

I thought he was all about doing whatever it takes to win . I think he should be in that 25-28 min range and Kidd is shorting him some but the dude just wants his money while not caring who it comes from.

I don't think that's true. He repeatedly said he wants to stay and was afraid of being traded. He was even in constant contact with Kidd and Nico.

Draymond suggested Wood should get around 15M and that was basically cheap DFS' money. I reckon Mavs had no intentions of resigning him, instead just used him as a trade bait.

Next years core of Luka/Green/THJ is becoming more and more a reality.

You don't think Wood saying he didn't want to be traded has something to do with his poor reputation? Him staying in a winning situation and being a good soldier is his best path to his next contract after acting like a child in Houston.

Yes everyone is going to leave so let's not even bother playing any more games.


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I don't know but i do want to be an optimist and think he actually wanted to stay. I mean he played really good as a starter and he was nothing but professional and did all the right things for us to believe that he was serious.
There is also no argument Powell or McGee should see minutes over him. It's actually a disgrace at this point how Kidd is handling him. Wood/Maxi has so much potential, so we'll see how it goes.

[SOUNDCHASER]

I don't think that's true. He repeatedly said he wants to stay and was afraid of being traded. He was even in constant contact with Kidd and Nico.

Draymond suggested Wood should get around 15M and that was basically cheap DFS' money. I reckon Mavs had no intentions of resigning him, instead just used him as a trade bait.

Next years core of Luka/Green/THJ is becoming more and more a reality.

You don't think Wood saying he didn't want to be traded has something to do with his poor reputation? Him staying in a winning situation and being a good soldier is his best path to his next contract after acting like a child in Houston.

Yes everyone is going to leave so let's not even bother playing any more games.


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I don't know but i do want to be an optimist and think he actually wanted to stay. I mean he played really good as a starter and he was nothing but professional and did all the right things for us to believe that he was serious.
There is also no argument Powell or McGee should see minutes over him. It's actually a disgrace at this point how Kidd is handling him. Wood/Maxi has so much potential, so we'll see how it goes.

With Kidd you just have to wonder if its a that time of the month issue the way he is ok with starting him and then he is not all of a sudden.

[arkuo]

I bet we do not add any more size before the playoffs. Cuban can see the writing on the wall and I bet Kidd is a short timer if he fails to make smarter decisions. We got Luka some help now learn how to use it Kidd.

If it's a first round exit, it's pretty much a gaurantee that Kidd gets the boot.

You think so? I wouldn’t be opposed to Kidd being let go but who could they get to replace him?

Yeah. I just feel a first round exit with two superstars is like Doc Rivers upset territory.

I think Mavs are better at getting a coach who can run plays and make one of Luka or Kyrie be effective off ball. Ty Lue knew how to make Lebron cut to the basket at certain points in game. Might need a more modern coaching approach.

Oh and yeah, it is contingent if Kyrie signs long term. If he walks then replacing Kidd might not be necessary.

[arkuo]

Mavs just need 1 defensive big man as a final piece. That's all I ask for the offseason.

Kyrie and Luka have a lot of players drive past them so its up to the big man to do help defense in the paint. They get one, they'll be fine.

[arkuo]

Jakob Poetl tonight - 30 pts, 9 rebs and 6 blocks

S&T Wood for him. Poetl is UFA this summer. Move Maxi back to PF. Have Poetl play C.

[arkuo]

BKN said they plan to trade Ben Simmons this summer. If he can be had for THJ and Bertans, I say go for it. Have him play center here. Lengthy player, can defend 1 to 5. Doesnt shoot threes, but so does Dwight Powell

Bertans and THJ are useless anyway. Ben has higher upside. They all have contracts that expire the same time. Dallas badly needs defense, not more shooting. Ben provides elite defense. Forget the shooting. Leave that with Kyrie and Luka.

[Apz]

Ben got 0 upside. He is menthally not suitable to be a professional athlete.

And u cant double snt to the guy above

[BliscoSantos]

Multiple teams offerrd Nets two first rounders for Dodo...i like him,bit this prices are getting riddicuolous

[ozwizard8]

Jakob Poetl tonight - 30 pts, 9 rebs and 6 blocks

S&T Wood for him. Poetl is UFA this summer. Move Maxi back to PF. Have Poetl play C.

Against Orlando?
If he turns around his career Raptors will keep him. They are not clueless to think C.Wood is a good player. His expiring is not an asset. A team like Hornets can easily overpay him so Raptors would not even want C.Wood at that price tag.

Mavs have a minuscule asset value in Kyrie. Maybe a team can pay him that albatross contract of $200m/4 year and trade back some other overpaid contracts. Best bet would be getting D'Angelo Russell from Lakers. Though it would not solve any of the Mavs problems. Signing Kyrie for $250m/5 year deal would mean having a dead cap space of %35 for 2024-2028. Only tangible assets are draft picks. Unprotected it starts to get a value. For instance, Brooklyn Nets might get too happy about that pick in 2029..

How do you fill the huge gap in the wing rotation? We needed DFS+Maxi+elite wingmen. Now we need elite wing men + DFS back.
Add up the glaring hole in the center position... Can't believe this **** roster is way above the cap.

Look at Denver Nuggets and compare it with Mavs. Huge difference in GM quality and owner sanity. People blaming Luka for defense is delusional. A good team can even hide a center's (Jokic) defensive weaknesses. Mavs team is built to hate Luka. Brunson playing solid gone. Seth helping at playoffs gone. DFS is key to hold other teams wing players gone...
Cuban-Nico Harrison moves are as worse as Knicks-Dolan years. Dolan seem to be more hands-off with Phil Jackson and Leon Rose now. Cuban is definitely in it...

[ozwizard8]

Ben got 0 upside. He is menthally not suitable to be a professional athlete.

And u cant double snt to the guy above

I still think 76ers Ben Simmons would fit great to Mavs. He was the best Luka defender in the league. He did not seem like that player for 2+ years now...

I think the problem is not just mental. Its more about the back injury but not get talked much. With serious back injury you would not go for that many blocks, you dont go jump for dunking over people, taking charges etc. It kinda look similar to some injury returns of MPJ of Denver and Porzingis. Both guys can actually defend and block shots if they feel good about their knee, leg, back whatever. Both KP-MPJ also dunks, putbacks emphatically when they feel good. After injury, sometimes for months, seasons they stop doing those stuff. And they kept getting injured for so many times so we didn't see them at full capacity for so long. At least those two can shoot 3pt shot, and finish layups without afraiding to get fouled and FT shots. Ben has FT fear which further capitulates his game.

[dirkules_41]

Ben got 0 upside. He is menthally not suitable to be a professional athlete.

And u cant double snt to the guy above

I still think 76ers Ben Simmons would fit great to Mavs. He was the best Luka defender in the league. He did not seem like that player for 2+ years now...

I think the problem is not just mental. Its more about the back injury but not get talked much. With serious back injury you would not go for that many blocks, you dont go jump for dunking over people, taking charges etc. It kinda look similar to some injury returns of MPJ of Denver and Porzingis. Both guys can actually defend and block shots if they feel good about their knee, leg, back whatever. Both KP-MPJ also dunks, putbacks emphatically when they feel good. After injury, sometimes for months, seasons they stop doing those stuff. And they kept getting injured for so many times so we didn't see them at full capacity for so long. At least those two can shoot 3pt shot, and finish layups without afraiding to get fouled and FT shots. Ben has FT fear which further capitulates his game.

He's one of the most unplayable players in the league. Can't take any jumpers, doesn't drive aggressively, 50% FT shooter on a good day, mentally checked out and on THE worst contract in the league. Absolutely impossible in any way imaginable.

[41Dirk41]

Ben got 0 upside. He is menthally not suitable to be a professional athlete.

And u cant double snt to the guy above

I still think 76ers Ben Simmons would fit great to Mavs. He was the best Luka defender in the league. He did not seem like that player for 2+ years now...

I think the problem is not just mental. Its more about the back injury but not get talked much. With serious back injury you would not go for that many blocks, you dont go jump for dunking over people, taking charges etc. It kinda look similar to some injury returns of MPJ of Denver and Porzingis. Both guys can actually defend and block shots if they feel good about their knee, leg, back whatever. Both KP-MPJ also dunks, putbacks emphatically when they feel good. After injury, sometimes for months, seasons they stop doing those stuff. And they kept getting injured for so many times so we didn't see them at full capacity for so long. At least those two can shoot 3pt shot, and finish layups without afraiding to get fouled and FT shots. Ben has FT fear which further capitulates his game.

It's funny... People against Irving trade now proposed a trade for Simmons

[Archx]

Ben got 0 upside. He is menthally not suitable to be a professional athlete.

And u cant double snt to the guy above

I still think 76ers Ben Simmons would fit great to Mavs. He was the best Luka defender in the league. He did not seem like that player for 2+ years now...

I think the problem is not just mental. Its more about the back injury but not get talked much. With serious back injury you would not go for that many blocks, you dont go jump for dunking over people, taking charges etc. It kinda look similar to some injury returns of MPJ of Denver and Porzingis. Both guys can actually defend and block shots if they feel good about their knee, leg, back whatever. Both KP-MPJ also dunks, putbacks emphatically when they feel good. After injury, sometimes for months, seasons they stop doing those stuff. And they kept getting injured for so many times so we didn't see them at full capacity for so long. At least those two can shoot 3pt shot, and finish layups without afraiding to get fouled and FT shots. Ben has FT fear which further capitulates his game.

It's funny... People against Irving trade now proposed a trade for Simmons

I can't fully understand Ben. Does he just need a change of scenery like Kyrie to get energized again or needs to change his head?

Dude was such a best and talent not long ago and now he's barely a bench player on a max contract.

[Apz]

Ben got 0 upside. He is menthally not suitable to be a professional athlete.

And u cant double snt to the guy above

I still think 76ers Ben Simmons would fit great to Mavs. He was the best Luka defender in the league. He did not seem like that player for 2+ years now...

I think the problem is not just mental. Its more about the back injury but not get talked much. With serious back injury you would not go for that many blocks, you dont go jump for dunking over people, taking charges etc. It kinda look similar to some injury returns of MPJ of Denver and Porzingis. Both guys can actually defend and block shots if they feel good about their knee, leg, back whatever. Both KP-MPJ also dunks, putbacks emphatically when they feel good. After injury, sometimes for months, seasons they stop doing those stuff. And they kept getting injured for so many times so we didn't see them at full capacity for so long. At least those two can shoot 3pt shot, and finish layups without afraiding to get fouled and FT shots. Ben has FT fear which further capitulates his game.

Not really. Luka got by him at will. Issue were never simmons, it was embiid behind that did a good job vs luka in those games

[arkuo]

Here's the thing that Mavs are facing. 3&D guys are the 2ndd highest paid in the league next to superstars, the data shows this. So if you want guys like DFS, cough up 2 FRPs. If you want a guy like Mikal Bridges, cough up 4 FRPs. The next best thing you can do is try to trade for Simmons and have him play defense instead of playmaking (which he can do). If you are not in the market for sending out FRPs, then you are not getting 3&D guys. Then we're cycling back to just fantasy trades because MAVS DONT HAVE ASSETS to get defenders next year and beyond. If Simmons can be had for THJ, I'd take a chance on him because the team currently constructed needs more defense than shooting, you have to sacrifice somewhere, cant have a team with 15 two way players. If you look at the market, summer of 2023, 2024, what 3&D guy can be had for THJ and Bertans? If you can give those for OG, DFS, MIkal Bridges, I'm all in. But let's see the list and how we can get them here with the assets Mavs have and if any team wants THJ and Bertans in exchange.

So there's no middle ground here. You want 3&D guys, cough up FRPs, or Mavs are getting Justin Holiday types via buy outs. That's just how the market is. Teams are throwing FRPs for guys you want on your team. Other teams wont lower their price just because it's your fantasy to surround Luka and Kyrie with defenders.

[Mavrelous]

Here's the thing that Mavs are facing. 3&D guys are the 2ndd highest paid in the league next to superstars, the data shows this. So if you want guys like DFS, cough up 2 FRPs. If you want a guy like Mikal Bridges, cough up 4 FRPs. The next best thing you can do is try to trade for Simmons and have him play defense instead of playmaking (which he can do). If you are not in the market for sending out FRPs, then you are not getting 3&D guys. Then we're cycling back to just fantasy trades because MAVS DONT HAVE ASSETS to get defenders next year and beyond. If Simmons can be had for THJ, I'd take a chance on him because the team currently constructed needs more defense than shooting. If you look at the market, summer of 2023, 2024, what 3&D guy can be had for THJ and Bertans? If you can give those for OG, DFS, MIkal Bridges, I'm all in. But let's see the list and how we can get them here with the assets Mavs have and if any team wants THJ and Bertans in exchange.

Watch PHI/Mavs games from 2 years ago, and watch Nets/Mavs games this year, Ben Simmons is not the same player, he suffocated Luka when he was in PHI, with the Nets, Luka called for his man to set the screen.
It's a gamble on him coming back to form...

[arkuo]

Here's the thing that Mavs are facing. 3&D guys are the 2ndd highest paid in the league next to superstars, the data shows this. So if you want guys like DFS, cough up 2 FRPs. If you want a guy like Mikal Bridges, cough up 4 FRPs. The next best thing you can do is try to trade for Simmons and have him play defense instead of playmaking (which he can do). If you are not in the market for sending out FRPs, then you are not getting 3&D guys. Then we're cycling back to just fantasy trades because MAVS DONT HAVE ASSETS to get defenders next year and beyond. If Simmons can be had for THJ, I'd take a chance on him because the team currently constructed needs more defense than shooting. If you look at the market, summer of 2023, 2024, what 3&D guy can be had for THJ and Bertans? If you can give those for OG, DFS, MIkal Bridges, I'm all in. But let's see the list and how we can get them here with the assets Mavs have and if any team wants THJ and Bertans in exchange.

Watch PHI/Mavs games from 2 years ago, and watch Nets/Mavs games this year, Ben Simmons is not the same player, he suffocated Luka when he was in PHI, with the Nets, Luka called for his man to set the screen.
It's a gamble on him coming back to form...

That is correct, and it's a two year gamble. His contract is exactly the same length as THJ and Bertans. UFA 2025 all of them. You dont lose the money because that money is already spent on THJ and Bertans. That money is gone. And as currently constructed, I'd take a gamble on Simmons than gamble on THJ in the starting five. I'd sacrifice a bit of THJ's shooting for a bit of Simmons defense on the other end. Players will drive by Kyrie and Luka easily, this is a given. Simmons gives you a chance to have a help defender block their shot behind. Neither THJ or Bertans can provide that. And the Mavs dont have FRPs to get Mikal Bridges or Anunoby either. Something's gotta give if you want to seriously compete. Cant have Pinson there as a band aid solution. The whole league is after 3&D guys, even Jared Vanderbilt had inflated stock. The price is not going down anytime soon. Mavs cant afford either.


Oh and regarding Simmons, more than his mental anxiety thing, I do think this has something to do with his back surgery or spine. Mavs doctors can have a good look at this if he passes a physical. But he legitimately had back surgery if im not mistaken, so its not fake. No one opens up your back and spine to get a free pass from playing. Must be something legit with him.

[Mavrelous]

If Nets are game for Simmons for THJ/Bertans, then sure, I'm all for it, I think they'll demand at least expiring deals.

[arkuo]

If Nets are game for Simmons for THJ/Bertans, then sure, I'm all for it, I think they'll demand at least expiring deals.

Yeah. Nico has a great relationship with Marks and Tsai. Given that they chose to give Kyrie to Nico rather than send him to some flashy city. I hope Nico can convince them for THJ and Bertans too. if that's what it'll take to get Simmons, whose value is basically zero right now, Mavs need to be opportunistic while the iron is hot.

Most people forget that Simmons is 6'10. When he stood beside AD, they're the same size. Powell is 6'10. I'd gamble on SImmons playing center of PF here. No need for his playmaking and non shooting. Kyrie and Luka will attempt 30 each anyway. There wont be a lot of shot attempts to get around, but if he can play serious defense instead, then the Mavs i think can live with that, especially if you do not have 4 FRPs to send out for a quality defender. That's just the market dictating price.