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Post#721 » by Maverick41 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 10:37 am

Siakam would be cool but imo the better move would be to somehow facilitate a 3 way instead. Particularly with the Hawks where we get Capela + Hunter and Siakam goes to ATL. I think those 2 guys just complete this team more and are at least under contract control.
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Post#722 » by BliscoSantos » Mon Jan 1, 2024 11:35 am

Maverick41 wrote:Siakam would be cool but imo the better move would be to somehow facilitate a 3 way instead. Particularly with the Hawks where we get Capela + Hunter and Siakam goes to ATL. I think those 2 guys just complete this team more and are at least under contract control.


Hunter has a lot of injuries,Siakam is more durable....I'm not sure I'd take Both,I'd Rayher have Just Capella then
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Post#723 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 11:48 am

BliscoSantos wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:Siakam would be cool but imo the better move would be to somehow facilitate a 3 way instead. Particularly with the Hawks where we get Capela + Hunter and Siakam goes to ATL. I think those 2 guys just complete this team more and are at least under contract control.


Hunter has a lot of injuries,Siakam is more durable....I'm not sure I'd take Both,I'd Rayher have Just Capella then


Hunter is always injuried... And with a 20+ M multiyear contract it's a risky move but him and Capela would fill our holes very good.

Siakam (with new contract signed) + back-up C is the perfect situation for us.
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Post#724 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 11:49 am

Mason Plumlee will return very soon for Clips, i will make a try for Thies...
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Post#725 » by Mavrelous » Mon Jan 1, 2024 12:06 pm

Lakers are geting desperate, I fear they may make a run at Kyrie and Nico does something stupid like take Rui and DLo...
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Post#726 » by Archx » Mon Jan 1, 2024 2:25 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Lakers are geting desperate, I fear they may make a run at Kyrie and Nico does something stupid like take Rui and DLo...


I do believe Mavs stopped being so naive since Nico arrived. Plus him and Nico are very close, i don't see Kyrie leaving unless he specifically asks for it.
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Post#727 » by Mavrelous » Mon Jan 1, 2024 3:01 pm

Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Lakers are geting desperate, I fear they may make a run at Kyrie and Nico does something stupid like take Rui and DLo...


I do believe Mavs stopped being so naive since Nico arrived. Plus him and Nico are very close, i don't see Kyrie leaving unless he specifically asks for it.

They improved a lot, still giving up unprotected swap for Grant Williams was a major worrying sign, also re-signing Powell when they are very close to the Apron.
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Post#728 » by daoneandonly » Mon Jan 1, 2024 3:52 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Lakers are geting desperate, I fear they may make a run at Kyrie and Nico does something stupid like take Rui and DLo...


I do believe Mavs stopped being so naive since Nico arrived. Plus him and Nico are very close, i don't see Kyrie leaving unless he specifically asks for it.

They improved a lot, still giving up unprotected swap for Grant Williams was a major worrying sign, also re-signing Powell when they are very close to the Apron.


Nico has zero bargaining, negotiating skills. The unprotected swap was idiotic. How can anyone in their right mind fathom we gave up a 2nd, traded Kp, and took back Bertans?

The guy is clueless, he's just a trendy name with certain players
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Post#729 » by Archx » Mon Jan 1, 2024 4:34 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Archx wrote:
I do believe Mavs stopped being so naive since Nico arrived. Plus him and Nico are very close, i don't see Kyrie leaving unless he specifically asks for it.

They improved a lot, still giving up unprotected swap for Grant Williams was a major worrying sign, also re-signing Powell when they are very close to the Apron.


Nico has zero bargaining, negotiating skills. The unprotected swap was idiotic. ?


Why was it idiotic? Mavs got Spurs picks which will be more valuable than Mavs ones. The only thing i maybe don't agree with is the unprotected 2030 first-round pick swap. This could backfire on Mavs if Luka leaves and this team becomes a lottery in 2030. Then Spurs come out as winners with 2030 first and 2nd round pick on top of it.

Mavs receive:

Grant Williams
2025 second-round pick (via San Antonio)
2028 second-round pick (from San Antonio)

They gave up

Reggie Bullock
Unprotected 2030 first-round pick swap
2025 second-round pick swap
2030 second-round pick
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Post#730 » by Mavrelous » Mon Jan 1, 2024 4:52 pm

Archx wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:They improved a lot, still giving up unprotected swap for Grant Williams was a major worrying sign, also re-signing Powell when they are very close to the Apron.


Nico has zero bargaining, negotiating skills. The unprotected swap was idiotic. ?


Why was it idiotic? Mavs got Spurs picks which will be more valuable than Mavs ones. The only thing i maybe don't agree with is the unprotected 2030 first-round pick swap. This could backfire on Mavs if Luka leaves and this team becomes a lottery in 2030. Then Spurs come out as winners with 2030 first and 2nd round pick on top of it.

Mavs receive:

Grant Williams
2025 second-round pick (via San Antonio)
2028 second-round pick (from San Antonio)

They gave up

Reggie Bullock
Unprotected 2030 first-round pick swap
2025 second-round pick swap
2030 second-round pick

Unprotected swap is highly valuable asset, used only on a significant asset.
For reference, Celtics paid top-1 protected swap for Derick White.
There were multiple ways to get the cap space for Williams deal.
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Post#731 » by ejs78 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:04 pm

Bob8 wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Second creator, who wants to play games.


??? He’s hurt. Did we not watch Powell fall on his leg during a live game?

I get you don’t believe in injuries but we watched that one happen.

But then again you’re also the guy who says Lively has 0 NBA level skills and wouldn’t be ready for years so that just shows your level of knowledge.


It was for sure necessary to rate my knowledge of basketball. :D

The average time of missing associated with general heel contusions is around two games.


Key word in all of this is general
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Post#732 » by Bob8 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:10 pm

ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:
??? He’s hurt. Did we not watch Powell fall on his leg during a live game?

I get you don’t believe in injuries but we watched that one happen.

But then again you’re also the guy who says Lively has 0 NBA level skills and wouldn’t be ready for years so that just shows your level of knowledge.


It was for sure necessary to rate my knowledge of basketball. :D

The average time of missing associated with general heel contusions is around two games.


Key word in all of this is general


Yes, but we know that Kyrie is taking a lot of time to come back after every injury.
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Post#733 » by daoneandonly » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:13 pm

Archx wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:They improved a lot, still giving up unprotected swap for Grant Williams was a major worrying sign, also re-signing Powell when they are very close to the Apron.


Nico has zero bargaining, negotiating skills. The unprotected swap was idiotic. ?


Why was it idiotic? Mavs got Spurs picks which will be more valuable than Mavs ones. The only thing i maybe don't agree with is the unprotected 2030 first-round pick swap. This could backfire on Mavs if Luka leaves and this team becomes a lottery in 2030. Then Spurs come out as winners with 2030 first and 2nd round pick on top of it.

Mavs receive:

Grant Williams
2025 second-round pick (via San Antonio)
2028 second-round pick (from San Antonio)

They gave up

Reggie Bullock
Unprotected 2030 first-round pick swap
2025 second-round pick swap
2030 second-round pick


You just asked why is it idiotic and then said u don't agree with the very thing I said was idiotic.
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Post#734 » by ejs78 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:21 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
It was for sure necessary to rate my knowledge of basketball. :D

The average time of missing associated with general heel contusions is around two games.


Key word in all of this is general


Yes, but we know that Kyrie is taking a lot of time to come back after every injury.
If that's your assumption so be it. We all saw the injury thinking it was way worse.

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Post#735 » by BeiBeau » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:23 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
It was for sure necessary to rate my knowledge of basketball. :D

The average time of missing associated with general heel contusions is around two games.


Key word in all of this is general


Yes, but we know that Kyrie is taking a lot of time to come back after every injury.


We do not know that. There is a medical team of actual doctors who look at Kyrie’s heel and determine when he is healthy or not. If Kyrie was skipping out on the team we would’ve heard about it by now.

You and Daoneandonly have your own little head cannons about what you think is happening and then try to pretend that it is reality.
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Post#736 » by Bob8 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:30 pm

ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Key word in all of this is general


Yes, but we know that Kyrie is taking a lot of time to come back after every injury.
If that's your assumption so be it. We all saw the injury thinking it was way worse.

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Assumption based on his availability during last 5 years.
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Post#737 » by Bob8 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:35 pm

BeiBeau wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Key word in all of this is general


Yes, but we know that Kyrie is taking a lot of time to come back after every injury.


We do not know that. There is a medical team of actual doctors who look at Kyrie’s heel and determine when he is healthy or not. If Kyrie was skipping out on the team we would’ve heard about it by now.

You and Daoneandonly have your own little head cannons about what you think is happening and then try to pretend that it is reality.


I believe we will all be better without your psychological observations.

It seems to you that Kyrie was very eager to play as many games possible for his teams in the past?
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Post#738 » by ejs78 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:54 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Yes, but we know that Kyrie is taking a lot of time to come back after every injury.
If that's your assumption so be it. We all saw the injury thinking it was way worse.

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Assumption based on his availability during last 5 years.
I mean we could make the assumption that Luka would never be in shape for an entire season based on what we've seen too.

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Post#739 » by Archx » Mon Jan 1, 2024 6:07 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Archx wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Nico has zero bargaining, negotiating skills. The unprotected swap was idiotic. ?


Why was it idiotic? Mavs got Spurs picks which will be more valuable than Mavs ones. The only thing i maybe don't agree with is the unprotected 2030 first-round pick swap. This could backfire on Mavs if Luka leaves and this team becomes a lottery in 2030. Then Spurs come out as winners with 2030 first and 2nd round pick on top of it.

Mavs receive:

Grant Williams
2025 second-round pick (via San Antonio)
2028 second-round pick (from San Antonio)

They gave up

Reggie Bullock
Unprotected 2030 first-round pick swap
2025 second-round pick swap
2030 second-round pick


You just asked why is it idiotic and then said u don't agree with the very thing I said was idiotic.


Yeah if Mavs are a lottery team in 2030. How are we suppose to know 6 years ahead?

Mavrelous wrote:There were multiple ways to get the cap space for Williams deal.


You know how hard they tried and they couldn't do it. They were pushing hard for McGee and THJ deals, couldn't get anything done without including picks or one of Green/Hardy combo.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#740 » by Mavrelous » Mon Jan 1, 2024 6:23 pm

Archx wrote:
You know how hard they tried and they couldn't do it. They were pushing hard for McGee and THJ deals, couldn't get anything done without including picks or one of Green/Hardy combo.

After the Williams deal, it became clear why they insisted on McGee, it would've kept the TPE complete, but that wasn't the only way, they could've pulled it off.
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