Trade Discussion 22/23

Maverick41 · Post #7441 » by **Maverick41** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 9:36 am

arkuo wrote:If the Mavs get a top 10 pick, they can draft a player for some team, then add THJ and/or Green and add the 2027 FRP on top of that to get someone like OG Anunoby. That's essentially 3 FRPs (2023 FRP, 2027 FRP and Josh Green) which is the asking price for OG. I'd like to see that happen.

Thats too much for OG imo. I like OG a lot but we cant completely blow our load on him. We need a starting wing and a starting C at the very least. Can't fill one hole and then not have any ammo left to fill the other hole(s).

daoneandonly · Post #7442 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 11:41 am

SOmeone on the T&T proposed a S&T of Kyrie to Mia for Herro, and a Dal poster had a an even better counter where we do that but reroute Herro to another team for more assets. I'd love that.

Post #7443 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 2:11 pm

They should do everything to get Nick Nurse.

daoneandonly · Post #7444 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 2:23 pm

Nick Nurse would be a wonderful get if attainable. But lUka needs to mature quickly and respect whoever the coach is

arkuo · Post #7445 » by **arkuo** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 2:59 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Nick Nurse would be a wonderful get if attainable. But lUka needs to mature quickly and respect whoever the coach is

Yeah I think it's a personality thing. Luka coming in feels like he's the best player on the planet but doesn't have a Holger like Dirk to temper these things. That and suing his mom, now you have a 24 year old gazillionaire living his best life unsupervised. Just add guns to the mix and he's probably white Ja Morant.

Post #7446 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 3:02 pm

arkuo wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Nick Nurse would be a wonderful get if attainable. But lUka needs to mature quickly and respect whoever the coach is

Yeah I think it's a personality thing. Luka coming in feels like he's the best player on the planet but doesn't have a Holger like Dirk to temper these things. That and suing his mom, now you have a 24 year old gazillionaire living his best life unsupervised. Just add guns to the mix and he's probably white Ja Morant.

Luka played under much tougher coaches in Europe, NBA life spoiled him, but this year's failure should've taught him some humility.

41Dirk41 · Post #7447 » by **41Dirk41** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 7:07 pm

[quote="Mavrelous"][quote="arkuo"][quote="daoneandonly"]Nick Nurse would be a wonderful get if attainable. But lUka needs to mature quickly and respect whoever the coach is[/quote]

Yeah I think it's a personality thing. Luka coming in feels like he's the best player on the planet but doesn't have a Holger like Dirk to temper these things. That and suing his mom, now you have a 24 year old gazillionaire living his best life unsupervised. Just add guns to the mix and he's probably white Ja Morant.[/quote]

Luka played under much tougher coaches in Europe, NBA life spoiled him, but this year's failure should've taught him some humility.[/quote]

Agree.

Plus if that disaster means Kidd fired and an open eye for Nico and Cuban about our bigs situation then it's a win for the Mavs.
We have never been in the mix for the title, sometimes this kind of seasons aren't so bad.

Post #7448 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 9:48 pm

John Collins is more and more appealing to me depending on the price. My main issue is his contract.

2023-2024: $25,340,000
$26,580,000
$26,580,000 (Player Option)

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fuller4379 · Post #7449 » by **fuller4379** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 9:52 pm

HMFFL wrote:John Collins is more and more appealing to me depending on the price. My main issue is his contract.

2023-2024: $25,340,000
$26,580,000
$26,580,000 (Player Option)

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I would like the John Collins of 2019-20, but he has regressed some much since then.

Maverick41 · Post #7450 » by **Maverick41** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 10:19 pm

daoneandonly wrote:SOmeone on the T&T proposed a S&T of Kyrie to Mia for Herro, and a Dal poster had a an even better counter where we do that but reroute Herro to another team for more assets. I'd love that.

Saw that on the Trade board. Here's a fun variation I came up that is based off of that. Feel free to flame away.

DAL Receives: Lowry + Caleb Martin + Sexton + 1 of UTA's million of FRPs
MIA Receives: SnT Wood + SnT Kyrie
UTA Receives: Herro

DAL gets a veteran guard in Lowry who is expiring and can be flipped later. Get a decent rotation 3&D guy in Martin. Get a firecracker guard in Sexton and most importantly a FRP to facilitate a future trade to bring a starting big and/or starting wing.

MIA gets their to do their last hurrah in the Butler era. That's a pretty darn scary team if it somehow works out. Also is risky as hell for them though.

UTA gets their guard for the future to pair with Markannen for the next decade.

ozwizard8 · Post #7451 » by **ozwizard8** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 10:26 pm

Mavrelous wrote:They should do everything to get Nick Nurse.

Whats his wingspan?
Can he defend both SF/PF positions?

You can bring Pop-Phil Jackson-Carlisle together with Kerr-Spoelstra-Bud taking some assistant roles. It will not make this team a playoff team with that f'in awful Kyrie trade.
Win now trade that made the team go out of playoffs, out of play-in.

Cuban lickers always thinks the coach is the problem. Carlisle was the bad guy and now Kidd.

Bravo to make Luka depressed with sending his best mates in Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie-Boban and not signing Dragic. Goran Dragic with just his veteran presence, would help Luka out mentally. But our FO are run by morons.

Post #7452 » by **HMFFL** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 1:13 am

fuller4379 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:John Collins is more and more appealing to me depending on the price. My main issue is his contract.

2023-2024: $25,340,000
$26,580,000
$26,580,000 (Player Option)

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I would like the John Collins of 2019-20, but he has regressed some much since then.

He's only averaging 10 field goal attempts per game. He's also been dealing with trade rumors for four seasons now.

Look at his 2019-2020 numbers.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/collijo01.html

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Mr B · Post #7453 » by **Mr B** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:07 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:If you get wemby you need to also snag a bruiser type at center because wem is not going to be a center that can bang and when you have that kind of player you need the bruiser to be his body guard on the court.

He’s REALLY skinny. He needs to look at and study what Giannis did when he got to the NBA. If not he could end up like Porzingis. Very talented but too light in the pants to be an effective threat in the paint.

Post #7454 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 9:10 am

HMFFL wrote:John Collins is more and more appealing to me depending on the price. My main issue is his contract.

2023-2024: $25,340,000
$26,580,000
$26,580,000 (Player Option)

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John Collins should be on Mavs targets for PF, if they can also get Capella it'll be great.

arkuo · Post #7455 » by **arkuo** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 10:25 am

ozwizard8 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:They should do everything to get Nick Nurse.

Whats his wingspan?
Can he defend both SF/PF positions?

You can bring Pop-Phil Jackson-Carlisle together with Kerr-Spoelstra-Bud taking some assistant roles. It will not make this team a playoff team with that f'in awful Kyrie trade.
Win now trade that made the team go out of playoffs, out of play-in.

Cuban lickers always thinks the coach is the problem. Carlisle was the bad guy and now Kidd.

Bravo to make Luka depressed with sending his best mates in Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie-Boban and not signing Dragic. Goran Dragic with just his veteran presence, would help Luka out mentally. But our FO are run by morons.

Goran as Luka's mental health coach from the bench. :lol:

ozwizard8 · Post #7456 » by **ozwizard8** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 2:54 pm

arkuo wrote:
ozwizard8 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:They should do everything to get Nick Nurse.

Whats his wingspan?
Can he defend both SF/PF positions?

You can bring Pop-Phil Jackson-Carlisle together with Kerr-Spoelstra-Bud taking some assistant roles. It will not make this team a playoff team with that f'in awful Kyrie trade.
Win now trade that made the team go out of playoffs, out of play-in.

Cuban lickers always thinks the coach is the problem. Carlisle was the bad guy and now Kidd.

Bravo to make Luka depressed with sending his best mates in Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie-Boban and not signing Dragic. Goran Dragic with just his veteran presence, would help Luka out mentally. But our FO are run by morons.

Goran as Luka's mental health coach from the bench.

Luka's idol, Slovenian NBA veteran. It'd make a lot of sense to have him around.
Luka's friends are all gone and replaced with lesser players. He has every reason to be upset.

Ni Da Ye · Post #7457 » by **Ni Da Ye** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 3:33 am

We should do our best to trade with Raptors.

Raptors receive:

Irving
Timmy

Mavs receive:

VanVleet (a similar player like Brunson)
OG (one of the best defender)
Trent (clome of Timmy but younger)

(We can give them picks too if somehow someway they can absort Bertans for players they don't want from their roster)

Maverick41 · Post #7458 » by **Maverick41** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 4:58 am

Ni Da Ye wrote:We should do our best to trade with Raptors.

Raptors receive:

Irving
Timmy

Mavs receive:

VanVleet (a similar player like Brunson)
OG (one of the best defender)
Trent (clome of Timmy but younger)

(We can give them picks too if somehow someway they can absort Bertans for players they don't want from their roster)

If Toronto wants Kyrie, then they'll almost certainly want to keep OG and probably GTJ as well. I can see a swap of Kyrie for FVV + draft compensation as a possibility but anything more then that is probably wishful thinking.

ozwizard8 · Post #7459 » by **ozwizard8** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 8:31 am

Maverick41 wrote:
Ni Da Ye wrote:We should do our best to trade with Raptors.

Raptors receive:

Irving
Timmy

Mavs receive:

VanVleet (a similar player like Brunson)
OG (one of the best defender)
Trent (clome of Timmy but younger)

(We can give them picks too if somehow someway they can absort Bertans for players they don't want from their roster)

If Toronto wants Kyrie, then they'll almost certainly want to keep OG and probably GTJ as well. I can see a swap of Kyrie for FVV + draft compensation as a possibility but anything more then that is probably wishful thinking.

Toronto must be smart enough to not want 4-year max Kyrie.

Seriously he killed his last 3 teams. Cant stay healthy for playoffs. His reputation is like top 10 player but he is not.

If this trade happens Toronto would not make top 8 next year. Kyrie cancer does not even worth it these days.

arkuo · Post #7460 » by **arkuo** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 2:37 pm

ozwizard8 wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:
Ni Da Ye wrote:We should do our best to trade with Raptors.

Raptors receive:

Irving
Timmy

Mavs receive:

VanVleet (a similar player like Brunson)
OG (one of the best defender)
Trent (clome of Timmy but younger)

(We can give them picks too if somehow someway they can absort Bertans for players they don't want from their roster)

If Toronto wants Kyrie, then they'll almost certainly want to keep OG and probably GTJ as well. I can see a swap of Kyrie for FVV + draft compensation as a possibility but anything more then that is probably wishful thinking.

Toronto must be smart enough to not want 4-year max Kyrie.

Seriously he killed his last 3 teams. Cant stay healthy for playoffs. His reputation is like top 10 player but he is not.

If this trade happens Toronto would not make top 8 next year. Kyrie cancer does not even worth it these days.

I dont think Kyrie will agree to live north of the border.