Trade Discussion 22/23

[Archx]

Kidd isn’t going anywhere. They need him if they want a chance at bringing Kyrie back.

This is almost the most frustrating thing in all of this. If they have a plan on acquiring real centers and good wing players, then sure, keep Kyrie and Kidd. But then again, if all their plans go to ****, salary cap and players available still to sign, will drastically hinder the roster upgrade.

[Ni Da Ye]

PG - Kyrie Irving
SG - Patrick Beverly
SF - Luka Doncic
PF - Mathise Thybulle
C - Myles Turner

That lineup should be able to play defense now. Just throw Bullock and Powell away. The defenders added are not superstars by any metric so that look is pretty realistic.

Beverly no thanks.

I added Beverly there to make games versus Phoenix extra interesting.

Beverly - CP3
Luka - Booker
KD - Kyrie

Brooks fights everyone. lol

[arkuo]

Beverly no thanks.

I added Beverly there to make games versus Phoenix extra interesting.

Beverly - CP3
Luka - Booker
KD - Kyrie

Brooks fights everyone. lol

Kyrie wont get his jersey swap. He aint coming to Dallas.

[JWillTheFreak]

Beverley been done for years, he so overrated on defense... he better stay away from Mavs.

[Mike lorenzo]

So who we gonna trade for boys?

I like Capela and a top tier with my defender.

If the Hawks bounce out of the play in, they will make some changes for sure. Something to watch out for.

Capela and Collins would help fix a lot of what is wrong with the Mavs.

Agree with Capella... but JCollins taking +25 million, which he does for us... also, if that couple doesn't work out in Atlanta, why would we want to replicate it and spend assets in the process?

[41Dirk41]

Beverley been done for years, he so overrated on defense... he better stay away from Mavs.

Agree.

And no more midget please, big body wings/SGs.

[Absinthe]

I have a feeling that the only two Mavs coming back next year will be Kyrie and Luka and even Kyrie is a question mark if he demands a max. Cuban made it sound like that giving Kyrie a max was going to be tricky because of the new CBA and it is difficult to build a team with two players eating up that kind to cap space.

THJ needs to go because of inconsistency. Powell needs to go because he doesn’t play defense. Bertans needs to go because of his contract and lack of playing time. Green needs to go because he’s a one step forward, two steps back type of player who shows promise and immediately regresses the next game. Wood needs to go because of his lack of basketball IQ and he doesn’t try on defense. Bullock needs to go because he’s streaky and his defense has fallen off. Maxi would be the only player I would consider bringing back.

[JWillTheFreak]

Pretty sure everyone is expandable on Mavs roster but the problem is what can the Mavs bring in to improve the team. We know what we need as a team but can they make it happen... Are assets are slim and I doubt we will bring any big names. If we sign Irving to a 4 year max that will be a huge hit to the mavs, hopefully if they resign him it will be on a two year deal and see how it goes.

[NYG]

There's so many variables for Dallas right now...

Do they have a '23 1st or can they trade their '24 1st and '26 1st?
Is Kyrie staying? Is Kyrie going?

What's the overall vibe there about the off-season?

[SOUNDCHASER]

adding 2 rookies one at 10 or so and another we negotiate via trade to get an early 2nd like last year and then try our hand in free agency and trades. That hopefully will be possible and then I would think that our team would get back into the grove it was in to win in the play offs. a center and a big wing in the draft plus 1 or 2 veterans that can play those same positions and we double up on our weak spots.

[ACMFFL]

There's so many variables for Dallas right now...

Do they have a '23 1st or can they trade their '24 1st and '26 1st?
Is Kyrie staying? Is Kyrie going?

What's the overall vibe there about the off-season?

Not that good, Mavs fans dont trust at all neither Cuban nor Kidd.
If they keep the pick, I think they have the ammo (#10 + '27 first + Hardy + Green) to retool the roster and make it competitive, but I fear they could botch it once again.
If the pick conveys (as I think, just look at their historical "luck" in the lottery) it would be a disaster cause we dont have another asset as valuable as the #10 pick in this draft. Smart GM could make good moves even with limited assets but that's not Nico/Cuban case, unfortunately.

[41Dirk41]

There's so many variables for Dallas right now...

Do they have a '23 1st or can they trade their '24 1st and '26 1st?
Is Kyrie staying? Is Kyrie going?

What's the overall vibe there about the off-season?

Not that good, Mavs fans dont trust at all neither Cuban nor Kidd.
If they keep the pick, I think they have the ammo (#10 + '27 first + Hardy + Green) to retool the roster and make it competitive, but I fear they could botch it once again.
If the pick conveys (as I think, just look at their historical "luck" in the lottery) it would be a disaster cause we dont have another asset as valuable as the #10 pick in this draft. Smart GM could make good moves even with limited assets but that's not Nico/Cuban case, unfortunately.

Agree.

Lakers trasformed a lottery team to a contender with 0 assets.

Immagine Nico and Cuban do that

Anyway i hope we will keep Luka, Kyrie, Green and Hardy... And Lawson who has rookie contract.

The others are all mediocre role players to trade.
Maybe keep McGee,Maxi and Bullock for the bench.

[ozwizard8]

ATL: Bullock + 2027 DAL 1st (top4 protected)
Hawks lower their tax bills gaining also more flexibility going forward.

DAL: Capela + Anunoby.
Mavs get rebounding, rim protection and overall a huge defensive boost.

TOR: Bertans + Hardy + #10.
Raps get a cheaper younger Trent replacement with good potential in Hardy and a top10 pick for an expiring OG.

Capela / Powell
Anunoby / Kleber
Green
Irving / Hardaway
Doncic

Kyrie (46,9) + Luka (40,06) + Capela (20,62) + OG (18,64) + THJ (17,89) + Kleber (11) + McGee (5,76) + Green (4,76): 165,63mln committed to only 8 players, leaving 14/15 mln in salaries to fill the roster.
Anyway they have to plan the next offseason very well, this summer is gonna be crucial for the future of this franchise.

Wishful thinking.
I did not watch Capela much lately. If he is fall off a cliff, injuries etc then he wont help us. If he still has the mobility, rim protection, finishing alley-oops, layups then he'd help.
Why would Hawks trade their center who has a very reasonable salary? Only for one first-round pick? What are they going to do for themselves?

Not sure if Anunoby can be get for #10 pick. Masai seems to hold those players very valuable. He may ask 2-3 first-rounders for OG.
I assume Hardy is given for Raptors to take horrible Bertans contract. The question is whether Toronto thinks Hardy that great or not. I liked what I saw from Hardy so far. Since Mavs dont have any interior defense, wing defense, I was not able to judge Hardy on defensive side. Mavs have tons of defensive issues including Kyrie-Luka, so other teams did not need to target Hardy.
Cam Thomas also had some 40+points games too. I am not sure how valuable some of those scoring pg's. If you just look at those good games, they look like prime Kyrie performance with a rookie contract. Detailed scout report is probably needed. Why did they go undrafted or late drafted?

OG-Capela would be a good addition for 2 first round picks. I don't think its possible though. Who knows maybe some team will give an asset for C.Wood sign&trade?

[daoneandonly]

Just tear it down

Trade Luka to the Cavs. Mobley and Garland would be a great starting foundation, and the Cavs would still be championship caliber, so win win for both. See if u can unload one of Bertans or THJ.

S&T Kyrie for for assets if you can.

Develop Hardy, tell Green to not let the door hit him on the way out

[Archx]

Just tear it down

Trade Luka to the Cavs. Mobley and Garland would be a great starting foundation, and the Cavs would still be championship caliber, so win win for both. See if u can unload one of Bertans or THJ.

S&T Kyrie for for assets if you can.

Develop Hardy, tell Green to not let the door hit him on the way out

You may get your wish soon. Everyone, including people on our forums and media are calling for the trade. The incompetence from this and previous FO is simply beyond understanding.

But what makes you think Cuban can be trusted to build another contender without a true superstar on the team? Are you really trusting him to suddenly do a 180 and be able to fix this mess he created in the past 4 years? He decided to break up 2011 team and then after amazing last year, they couldn't even keep Brunson. I'll go even further, Tyson Chandler was probably the best center this team had in the past 22 years. You really think after Luka is gone, all problems for this team would be fixed?

[41Dirk41]

Just tear it down

Trade Luka to the Cavs. Mobley and Garland would be a great starting foundation, and the Cavs would still be championship caliber, so win win for both. See if u can unload one of Bertans or THJ.

S&T Kyrie for for assets if you can.

Develop Hardy, tell Green to not let the door hit him on the way out

You may get your wish soon. Everyone, including people on our forums and media are calling for the trade. The incompetence from this and previous FO is simply beyond understanding.

But what makes you think Cuban can be trusted to build another contender without a true superstar on the team? Are you really trusting him to suddenly do a 180 and be able to fix this mess he created in the past 4 years? He decided to break up 2011 team and then after amazing last year, they couldn't even keep Brunson. I'll go even further, Tyson Chandler was probably the best center this team had in the past 22 years. You really think after Luka is gone, all problems for this team would be fixed?

He doesn't care about Mavs, he hates Doncic, Irving and Green because he was absolutely wrong about them

[Mavrelous]

Just tear it down

Trade Luka to the Cavs. Mobley and Garland would be a great starting foundation, and the Cavs would still be championship caliber, so win win for both. See if u can unload one of Bertans or THJ.

S&T Kyrie for for assets if you can.

Develop Hardy, tell Green to not let the door hit him on the way out

You may get your wish soon. Everyone, including people on our forums and media are calling for the trade. The incompetence from this and previous FO is simply beyond understanding.

But what makes you think Cuban can be trusted to build another contender without a true superstar on the team? Are you really trusting him to suddenly do a 180 and be able to fix this mess he created in the past 4 years? He decided to break up 2011 team and then after amazing last year, they couldn't even keep Brunson. I'll go even further, Tyson Chandler was probably the best center this team had in the past 22 years. You really think after Luka is gone, all problems for this team would be fixed?

None of this is Luka's fault, his name got dragged in the mud because of this bastard of a season, but this organization will stay under magnifying glass as long as they have the biggest European talent ever probably, they are too messed up to fix anything, they should do Luka and Kyrie right and send them to a situation that fits them, what's done is done and can't be undone, and operate like the Rockets, suck for a few years under the radar and rebuild.

[daoneandonly]

Just tear it down

Trade Luka to the Cavs. Mobley and Garland would be a great starting foundation, and the Cavs would still be championship caliber, so win win for both. See if u can unload one of Bertans or THJ.

S&T Kyrie for for assets if you can.

Develop Hardy, tell Green to not let the door hit him on the way out

You may get your wish soon. Everyone, including people on our forums and media are calling for the trade. The incompetence from this and previous FO is simply beyond understanding.

But what makes you think Cuban can be trusted to build another contender without a true superstar on the team? Are you really trusting him to suddenly do a 180 and be able to fix this mess he created in the past 4 years? He decided to break up 2011 team and then after amazing last year, they couldn't even keep Brunson. I'll go even further, Tyson Chandler was probably the best center this team had in the past 22 years. You really think after Luka is gone, all problems for this team would be fixed?

He doesn't care about Mavs, he hates Doncic, Irving and Green because he was absolutely wrong about them

Yea I was wrong about Irving, our record is incredible with him. And Green too, the guy who when benched last year, we reached the WCF. When getting significant PT, we miss the playoffs.

I'm not the Mavs fan once Luka got drafted, that's you. The timestamp proves it. You only like guys with ties to Europe and Australia, cause you're a racist colorist. Hate DFS and Bullock because their skin tones scares you

[daoneandonly]

Just tear it down

Trade Luka to the Cavs. Mobley and Garland would be a great starting foundation, and the Cavs would still be championship caliber, so win win for both. See if u can unload one of Bertans or THJ.

S&T Kyrie for for assets if you can.

Develop Hardy, tell Green to not let the door hit him on the way out

You may get your wish soon. Everyone, including people on our forums and media are calling for the trade. The incompetence from this and previous FO is simply beyond understanding.

But what makes you think Cuban can be trusted to build another contender without a true superstar on the team? Are you really trusting him to suddenly do a 180 and be able to fix this mess he created in the past 4 years? He decided to break up 2011 team and then after amazing last year, they couldn't even keep Brunson. I'll go even further, Tyson Chandler was probably the best center this team had in the past 22 years. You really think after Luka is gone, all problems for this team would be fixed?

None of this is Luka's fault, his name got dragged in the mud because of this bastard of a season, but this organization will stay under magnifying glass as long as they have the biggest European talent ever probably, they are too messed up to fix anything, they should do Luka and Kyrie right and send them to a situation that fits them, what's done is done and can't be undone, and operate like the Rockets, suck for a few years under the radar and rebuild.

Some of it lies on him. A leader doesn't whine every play and not go back on D. A true leader isn't cool with resting back 2 backs. A true leader is disciplined about his eating habits and workout routines.

[Mavrelous]

Some of it lies on him. A leader doesn't whine every play and not go back on D. A true leader isn't cool with resting back 2 backs. A true leader is disciplined about his eating habits and workout routines.

There is no player without flaws, he isn't perfect, mainly in RS, and he pays you divedind in the PO, but he's been like that every year, FO should've known what they have by now.