Trade Discussion 22/23

[daoneandonly]

Some of it lies on him. A leader doesn't whine every play and not go back on D. A true leader isn't cool with resting back 2 backs. A true leader is disciplined about his eating habits and workout routines.

There is no player without flaws, he isn't perfect, mainly in RS, and he pays you divedind in the PO, but he's been like that every year, FO should've known what they have by now.

No doubt he's a superstar, which is why I think the Mavs can get an all time haul if they entertained the idea. You can't salvage this with Kyrie at a max or losing him for nothing.

[Mavrelous]

Some of it lies on him. A leader doesn't whine every play and not go back on D. A true leader isn't cool with resting back 2 backs. A true leader is disciplined about his eating habits and workout routines.

There is no player without flaws, he isn't perfect, mainly in RS, and he pays you divedind in the PO, but he's been like that every year, FO should've known what they have by now.

No doubt he's a superstar, which is why I think the Mavs can get an all time haul if they entertained the idea. You can't salvage this with Kyrie at a max or losing him for nothing.

You can, this FO can't, they couldn't with much better tools, they won't with the limited tools they have, I mean, Cuban think Jason Kidd is good, this is beyond hope.

[41Dirk41]

There is no player without flaws, he isn't perfect, mainly in RS, and he pays you divedind in the PO, but he's been like that every year, FO should've known what they have by now.

No doubt he's a superstar, which is why I think the Mavs can get an all time haul if they entertained the idea. You can't salvage this with Kyrie at a max or losing him for nothing.

You can, this FO can't, they couldn't with much better tools, they won't with the limited tools they have, I mean, Cuban think Jason Kidd is good, this is beyond hope.

Agree.

Luka is the worse possible thing that could happens to Cuban, now his inability is obvious and the media finally understood this.

[ACMFFL]

ATL: Bullock + 2027 DAL 1st (top4 protected)
Hawks lower their tax bills gaining also more flexibility going forward.

DAL: Capela + Anunoby.
Mavs get rebounding, rim protection and overall a huge defensive boost.

TOR: Bertans + Hardy + #10.
Raps get a cheaper younger Trent replacement with good potential in Hardy and a top10 pick for an expiring OG.

Capela / Powell
Anunoby / Kleber
Green
Irving / Hardaway
Doncic

Kyrie (46,9) + Luka (40,06) + Capela (20,62) + OG (18,64) + THJ (17,89) + Kleber (11) + McGee (5,76) + Green (4,76): 165,63mln committed to only 8 players, leaving 14/15 mln in salaries to fill the roster.
Anyway they have to plan the next offseason very well, this summer is gonna be crucial for the future of this franchise.

Wishful thinking.
I did not watch Capela much lately. If he is fall off a cliff, injuries etc then he wont help us. If he still has the mobility, rim protection, finishing alley-oops, layups then he'd help.
Why would Hawks trade their center who has a very reasonable salary? Only for one first-round pick? What are they going to do for themselves?

Not sure if Anunoby can be get for #10 pick. Masai seems to hold those players very valuable. He may ask 2-3 first-rounders for OG.
I assume Hardy is given for Raptors to take horrible Bertans contract. The question is whether Toronto thinks Hardy that great or not. I liked what I saw from Hardy so far. Since Mavs dont have any interior defense, wing defense, I was not able to judge Hardy on defensive side. Mavs have tons of defensive issues including Kyrie-Luka, so other teams did not need to target Hardy.
Cam Thomas also had some 40+points games too. I am not sure how valuable some of those scoring pg's. If you just look at those good games, they look like prime Kyrie performance with a rookie contract. Detailed scout report is probably needed. Why did they go undrafted or late drafted?

OG-Capela would be a good addition for 2 first round picks. I don't think its possible though. Who knows maybe some team will give an asset for C.Wood sign&trade?

As I said in my previous post, in that scenario Atlanta does it in order to avoid the luxury tax (Bullock makes almost 10 mln less than Capela and he's an expiring) and to increase Okongwu role.
One first + an expiring serviceable player is a fair value in my opinion for Capela.

I think 3 firsts for a rental OG is an overpay ihmo and Dallas should stay away from that. Defensive stud, probably the best defender among wings and guards but not that good on offense to warrant their asking price.

[Mavrelous]

If Mavs decide to use the pick on a center, I'd invest the MLE on Jalen McDaniels.

[arkuo]

If Mavs decide to use the pick on a center, I'd invest the MLE on Jalen McDaniels.

I'd be ok with Mcdaniels or Thybulle for that amount. Then dont play around. Just send two FRPs to Indiana for Turner and get it over with so they dont get tempted and suddenly sign Dwight Powell to a new 4 year deal.

[Archx]

If Mavs decide to use the pick on a center, I'd invest the MLE on Jalen McDaniels.

They'll need to heavily invest in big guys (Wings, centers). Only McGee and Maxi under contract for the next season right now but with Kyrie's new max coming up, they'll have limited amount of money. I have a feeling MLE will be used for Powell again and he's going to continue to start. Makes no other sense why Kidd played him over Wood so much or even McGee for that matter.

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[Mavrelous]

If Mavs decide to use the pick on a center, I'd invest the MLE on Jalen McDaniels.

They'll need to heavily invest in big guys (Wings, centers). Only McGee and Maxi under contract for the next season right now but with Kyrie's new max coming up, they'll have limited amount of money. I have a feeling MLE will be used for Powell again and he's going to continue to start. Makes no other sense why Kidd played him over Wood so much or even McGee for that matter.

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They don't need to use the MLE on Powell they have his rights, I hope they don't bring him back, it's time to try something new, some physical bruiser for the vet min (think Bruno Fernando), Luka made WCS look good in 20-21, we don't know how much of Powell production is just because of Luka.

[Archx]

I honestly have NO CLUE how Nico will prevent this ship to completely sink. Other teams will know that Mavs will be very desperate, so price for their trades could go way up. That is also something people forget when they propose trades. There is no franchise that will want to save this team's ass specially when they know that Luka is already upset and could potentially want to be traded.

I'll keep saying until i see some other options, but resigning Kyrie is the worst thing they can do right now. Unless that top10 pick can by any luck bring them something special.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be Nico right now with Cuban hanging behind my back whispering his dumb ideas.

They don't need to use the MLE on Powell they have his rights, I hope they don't bring him back, it's time to try something new, some physical bruiser for the vet min (think Bruno Fernando), Luka made WCS look good in 20-21, we don't know how much of Powell production is just because of Luka.

Ah yes, you're correct. If no other option, vet min is something i would offer to him, because i can't see a way out right now, not without significant trades that involve THJ and Bertans+Bullock.

[Mavrelous]

If Mavs decide to use the pick on a center, I'd invest the MLE on Jalen McDaniels.

I'd be ok with Mcdaniels or Thybulle for that amount. Then dont play around. Just send two FRPs to Indiana for Turner and get it over with so they dont get tempted and suddenly sign Dwight Powell to a new 4 year deal.

I think #10 is enough, but they may need to send another pick because IND has 3 picks in the draft, so it'll Bertans/#10, 27 1st for Turner/#24/#29.

[Absinthe]

Kidd has been awful, but the front office is primarily to blame.

I was fine with them taking a risk with Kyrie. He’s a top 20 player but he has a lot of baggage. The front office got screwed in that trade though. I personally don’t believe that the market for Kyrie was all that hot. Kyrie essentially forced himself out. They should have played hardball with the Nets. You want DFS? No, we’re going to keep him. If you want him, you must take on Bertans contract or you have to give us Claxton. The Mavs were the ones taking on the risk, not the Nets.

But they made the dumb trade anyway. And here’s the real kicker—they gave away their best perimeter defender, didn’t get any serviceable role players in return, and then didn’t make a separate move to shore up the team. You mean to tell me that the team thought that the trade was going to work when your front court is Wood, McGee, and Maxi?

In short, the trade shouldn’t have happened with what they got back if they weren’t going to make separate deals. The Nets should have included Claxton or taken on Bertans’ contract or they shouldn’t have gotten DFS. The Mavs negotiated out of weakness and it shows.

[arkuo]

So Gobert punched a teammate on the bench during a game. Any chance TWolves dump him for cheap? S&T Wood?

[41Dirk41]

So Gobert punched a teammate on the bench during a game. Any chance TWolves dump him for cheap? S&T Wood?

Gobert has big mental problems...

[Absinthe]

So Gobert punched a teammate on the bench during a game. Any chance TWolves dump him for cheap? S&T Wood?

Gobert has big mental problems...

He absolutely does. He didn’t get along with Spida whatsoever and you haven’t heard anything bad out of Cleveland since he’s been traded there.

[ozwizard8]

So Gobert punched a teammate on the bench during a game. Any chance TWolves dump him for cheap? S&T Wood?

Gobert has big mental problems...

lol I also came to say we found our new center.

Gobert's mental problems are big. Compared to Kyrie it sounds subpar though.
Mavs had great teammates, good chemistry. DFS-Powell-Brunson-Luka. I really believe they are nice guys that you'd like to be friends. You'd say them hi in the gym if you play pickup. Myles Turner would be another one. However, Mavs already lost all the assets to make trades. We dont have the luxury to select one.

Gobert's salary is huge anyway. Other than trading Kyrie, I dont think there is a viable trade.
Sign&trade Wood but why would Wolves want him? Bertans-THJ would be a negative value as well.

[ozwizard8]

Kidd has been awful, but the front office is primarily to blame.

I was fine with them taking a risk with Kyrie. He’s a top 20 player but he has a lot of baggage. The front office got screwed in that trade though. I personally don’t believe that the market for Kyrie was all that hot. Kyrie essentially forced himself out. They should have played hardball with the Nets. You want DFS? No, we’re going to keep him. If you want him, you must take on Bertans contract or you have to give us Claxton. The Mavs were the ones taking on the risk, not the Nets.

But they made the dumb trade anyway. And here’s the real kicker—they gave away their best perimeter defender, didn’t get any serviceable role players in return, and then didn’t make a separate move to shore up the team. You mean to tell me that the team thought that the trade was going to work when your front court is Wood, McGee, and Maxi?

In short, the trade shouldn’t have happened with what they got back if they weren’t going to make separate deals. The Nets should have included Claxton or taken on Bertans’ contract or they shouldn’t have gotten DFS. The Mavs negotiated out of weakness and it shows.

If Kyrie had 1.5 years left on his contract then I'd understand. But Kyrie is basically a rental. In the offseason, 4-year max to Kyrie is a poison contract. I think it was panic move of Brunson. They got Wood to replace Brunson's scoring. Then FACU, Kemba. Finally Kyrie.

Offensively Kyrie is top 20, but if you consider the defense Kyrie is not in top 20 as a player.
#1 players better than Kyrie for 20 teams.
* KD, Butler, Cade, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Mitchell, Booker, Kawhi, Lebron, Lillard, Curry, SGA, Sabonis, Edwards, Luka, Ja

I can list #2 guys from different teams that contributes more to winning than Kyrie does for last 6 years. Imagine adding Paul George instead of Kyrie.
* PG13, Ingram, Jaylen Brown, AD, Jrue, Harden, Murray, S.Barnes, Fox, KAT, JJJ. I think they'd all add more wins.

Top 20 for offense. Top 10 for Allstar game. Top 10 for clutch time scoring.
Overall, Kyrie's not in top 20. His last 6 years shows that. Wrong perception.

[Maverick41]

So Gobert punched a teammate on the bench during a game. Any chance TWolves dump him for cheap? S&T Wood?

Gobert would actually solve a lot of our rebounding and defensive issues but man I'd be terrified of having both him and Kyrie on the same team. Just way too many ways to potentially go wrong. Not to mention his age and contract potentially debilitating the team with the new CBA kicking in.

[Archx]

First Tim MacMahon tried to stir things up by bringing up his "sources" about how Luka might ask for a trade.

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[Archx]

And another gem from Kyrie. We'll see how this one goes but given his past and how he avoided this, he might be interested in leaving.

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[arkuo]

First Tim MacMahon tried to stir things up by bringing up his "sources" about how Luka might ask for a trade.

Then..

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Told you guys McMahon is just blowing steam up his ass and inventing ****. No one from the Mavs organization us talking to him. No sources.