Luka traded to the Lakers

[arkuo]

Getting KD with AD and Kyrie would still sell tickets to casuals. Your run of the mill families will still purchase season tickets. But that's the business side of things. The hardcore fans who are attached to Luka won't see both sides clearly. You need 15 first rounders to call it fair, then it won't be a conversation to begin with. There's just no way to win an argument there. But the Luka stans, like the Kawhi stans and Bronsexuals, they will have to adjust to cheering for Cleveland to Miami and now LA for Bron. Kawhi had his fans move from San Antonio to Toronto to LA now. It'll blow over.

Agree and you are the perfect example.

But wins Championships is another question.

Sure, I can be a casual according to you. I won't lose sleep over it. It's just a tag. Call me anything. Be that it may, what are you gonna do about it?

Do we need your permission to post here?

[41Dirk41]

Luka played Finals 7 months ago when KD was on vacancy. End of the story. Stop trolling.

But the Mavs didn't win. If you're not in first place, it doesn't matter. You're lumped with 29 other teams who lost out and you regroup the following year. Both Luka and KD lost out. I'm not defending either. If you want to enjoy the 2nd place trophy (if you have one), then go ahead. No one is stopping you from starting a parade for 2nd placer in the NBA finals. Be my guest. Call me when your parade is about to start.

End of story.

Definitely a troll. Ok.

[arkuo]

Luka played Finals 7 months ago when KD was on vacancy. End of the story. Stop trolling.

But the Mavs didn't win. If you're not in first place, it doesn't matter. You're lumped with 29 other teams who lost out and you regroup the following year. Both Luka and KD lost out. I'm not defending either. If you want to enjoy the 2nd place trophy (if you have one), then go ahead. No one is stopping you from starting a parade for 2nd placer in the NBA finals. Be my guest. Call me when your parade is about to start.

End of story.

Definitely a troll. Ok.

Troll. Casual. You name it. Just feel free to add to the list.

Has it ever occurred to you that your favorite player got traded, you're the one who's angry everyday, you're the one who has pent up energy and stressed out. I just enjoy hanging out here from time to time. It's just a basketball message board. Don't take it too serious.

[Archx]

I feel the opposite. Getting KD would allow Kyrie and AD to sit out some games and vice versa. These 3 guys aren't playing 82 games a year. So with all the firepower, you can probably sit one guy one every game (in rotation for load management) for the year and have all 3 present in the postseason. Without KD, you're betting that one of Kyrie or AD can carry the whole season in a "your turn, my turn" setup. Allowing a competitor to get KD just means another hurdle in Nico's goal to deliver a ring RIGHT NOW. So one less thing to worry about if you get him in your fold.

Kyrie has the work ethic of a Kobe Bryant. I trust that he'll be alright with his rehab. And with Jeanie Buss recently throwing AD under the bus, I would expect it would motivate him as well.

Look at the Suns problems they're having since getting KD. If either PJ or Lively is gone, there goes 50% of your defense and some offense.
If you want to rest AD/Kyrie at 34yo with an 37/38yo KD... well good luck mate. I think you underestimate the depth Mavs have had this year even with Luka out and everyone else remotely healthy.
If you go after KD and with Kyrie's extension coming up, you better hope that you can sign some good role players and not just vet min guys. That's why trading Grimes was another terrible mistake. Should have stayed and waited out to see what happens in the off season. He's still young and good in his role. If you want to decimate the roster for KD, at least you would still have some great role players on the team.

If this trade goes through, it's going to be a core of AD/Kyrie/KD/Christie/Klay.... If they can manage to keep one of PJ/Lively/Gaff, that would already be a huge success. But what are the odds? Gaff will demand a paycheck so he's likely gone, while either Lively or PJ will be gone in the trade.. Or even both.

So yeah, KD would mean a disaster for this team. NO CHANCE a broken Kyrie, injury prone AD and an aging KD will be able to carry this team anywhere. Round 2 max....

I agree they have to fill the roster out if the trade pushes through. That's Nico's problem. All I'm saying is I'm in favor of load managing these guys for the postseason. Because if they do enter the postseason, you're still not leaving KD wide open even at 37 years old. You're not leaving AD unguarded in the paint. The playoffs is a game of luck. Seeding, injuries, matchups etc. You just put yourself in a good position to compete and hope you get lucky along the way. And I think KD, Kyrie and AD puts you in a nice spot. After that, it's anybody's ball game. How the dice rolls is up to these guys.

You can't expect these guys to be healthy enough to micro manage everything. Roster won't be deep enough to even do that, that's the point. If you think KD can carry like he's 28yo, fine.. but he was never a good nr1 option to begin with. Resting Kyrie or AD without proper defensive guys around them would be a disaster.
KD is not Luka, he doesn't have the gravity or the ability to carry like him, so it won't be as easy as you think. Anyone of those 3 goes down with extended injury and you'll be in play ins again fighting for a playoff spot.

It's crucial that all 3 of Gaff/Lively/PJ stay but we know that won't be the case. And even if they do stay, AD and Kyrie will both be older + AD will still be injury prone while Kyrie probably won't ever be the same again. Neither of them are nr1 option either. Either way, this team has a dark future ahead.

[arkuo]

Look at the Suns problems they're having since getting KD. If either PJ or Lively is gone, there goes 50% of your defense and some offense.
If you want to rest AD/Kyrie at 34yo with an 37/38yo KD... well good luck mate. I think you underestimate the depth Mavs have had this year even with Luka out and everyone else remotely healthy.
If you go after KD and with Kyrie's extension coming up, you better hope that you can sign some good role players and not just vet min guys. That's why trading Grimes was another terrible mistake. Should have stayed and waited out to see what happens in the off season. He's still young and good in his role. If you want to decimate the roster for KD, at least you would still have some great role players on the team.

If this trade goes through, it's going to be a core of AD/Kyrie/KD/Christie/Klay.... If they can manage to keep one of PJ/Lively/Gaff, that would already be a huge success. But what are the odds? Gaff will demand a paycheck so he's likely gone, while either Lively or PJ will be gone in the trade.. Or even both.

So yeah, KD would mean a disaster for this team. NO CHANCE a broken Kyrie, injury prone AD and an aging KD will be able to carry this team anywhere. Round 2 max....

I agree they have to fill the roster out if the trade pushes through. That's Nico's problem. All I'm saying is I'm in favor of load managing these guys for the postseason. Because if they do enter the postseason, you're still not leaving KD wide open even at 37 years old. You're not leaving AD unguarded in the paint. The playoffs is a game of luck. Seeding, injuries, matchups etc. You just put yourself in a good position to compete and hope you get lucky along the way. And I think KD, Kyrie and AD puts you in a nice spot. After that, it's anybody's ball game. How the dice rolls is up to these guys.

You can't expect these guys to be healthy enough to micro manage everything. Roster won't be deep enough to even do that, that's the point. If you think KD can carry like he's 28yo, fine.. but he was never a good nr1 option to begin with. Resting Kyrie or AD without proper defensive guys around them would be a disaster.
KD is not Luka, he doesn't have the gravity or the ability to carry like him, so it won't be as easy as you think. Anyone of those 3 goes down with extended injury and you'll be in play ins again fighting for a playoff spot.

It's crucial that all 3 of Gaff/Lively/PJ stay but we know that won't be the case. And even if they do stay, AD and Kyrie will both be older + AD will still be injury prone while Kyrie probably won't ever be the same again. Neither of them are nr1 option either. Either way, this team has a dark future ahead.

Agree with what you said. All I'm saying is there are multiple ways to get to the finals.

Kyrie + Klay + PJ + AD + Lively can get you there

Kyrie + KD + AD could get you there as well

When you get to the WCF or the finals, it's anyone's ball game. You just need to be in a good position for a shot. There are teams that fully deserved to win that didn't (Utah with Malone and Stockton come to mind), and there are teams that don't deserve to win but won it still. It's anyone's game at that point. There is no wrong answer IMO.

For context, that Utah team with Malone, Stockton, Hornacek etc was stacked with a good bench too. But they faced the Bulls and we know how that turned out. With teams like Cleveland and Boston barely losing on the other side, you'd need more than a good bench in a 7 game series.

But for conversation sake, this is just me personally, but I could live with losing a finals game 7 with a KD stinker over a PJ Washington 0-0-0 game. You know what I mean right? But I'm after KD's entertainment value. So there's that.

[Mavrelous]

Luka played Finals 7 months ago when KD was on vacancy. End of the story. Stop trolling.

But the Mavs didn't win. If you're not in first place, it doesn't matter. You're lumped with 29 other teams who lost out and you regroup the following year. Both Luka and KD lost out. I'm not defending either. If you want to enjoy the 2nd place trophy (if you have one), then go ahead. No one is stopping you from starting a parade for 2nd placer in the NBA finals. Be my guest. Call me when your parade is about to start.

End of story.

That's not a thing, finalists aren't the same as those swept in the 1st round.

[arkuo]

Luka played Finals 7 months ago when KD was on vacancy. End of the story. Stop trolling.

But the Mavs didn't win. If you're not in first place, it doesn't matter. You're lumped with 29 other teams who lost out and you regroup the following year. Both Luka and KD lost out. I'm not defending either. If you want to enjoy the 2nd place trophy (if you have one), then go ahead. No one is stopping you from starting a parade for 2nd placer in the NBA finals. Be my guest. Call me when your parade is about to start.

End of story.

That's not a thing, finalists aren't the same as those swept in the 1st round.

Agreed. I was driving a point between that back and fourth about KD's numbers not holding the same weight.

That thing above was sarcasm.

[Andri]

I agree they have to fill the roster out if the trade pushes through. That's Nico's problem. All I'm saying is I'm in favor of load managing these guys for the postseason. Because if they do enter the postseason, you're still not leaving KD wide open even at 37 years old. You're not leaving AD unguarded in the paint. The playoffs is a game of luck. Seeding, injuries, matchups etc. You just put yourself in a good position to compete and hope you get lucky along the way. And I think KD, Kyrie and AD puts you in a nice spot. After that, it's anybody's ball game. How the dice rolls is up to these guys.

You can't expect these guys to be healthy enough to micro manage everything. Roster won't be deep enough to even do that, that's the point. If you think KD can carry like he's 28yo, fine.. but he was never a good nr1 option to begin with. Resting Kyrie or AD without proper defensive guys around them would be a disaster.
KD is not Luka, he doesn't have the gravity or the ability to carry like him, so it won't be as easy as you think. Anyone of those 3 goes down with extended injury and you'll be in play ins again fighting for a playoff spot.

It's crucial that all 3 of Gaff/Lively/PJ stay but we know that won't be the case. And even if they do stay, AD and Kyrie will both be older + AD will still be injury prone while Kyrie probably won't ever be the same again. Neither of them are nr1 option either. Either way, this team has a dark future ahead.

Agree with what you said. All I'm saying is there are multiple ways to get to the finals.

Kyrie + Klay + PJ + AD + Lively can get you there

Kyrie + KD + AD could get you there as well

When you get to the WCF or the finals, it's anyone's ball game. You just need to be in a good position for a shot. There are teams that fully deserved to win that didn't (Utah with Malone and Stockton come to mind), and there are teams that don't deserve to win but won it still. It's anyone's game at that point. There is no wrong answer IMO.

For context, that Utah team with Malone, Stockton, Hornacek etc was stacked with a good bench too. But they faced the Bulls and we know how that turned out. With teams like Cleveland and Boston barely losing on the other side, you'd need more than a good bench in a 7 game series.

But for conversation sake, this is just me personally, but I could live with losing a finals game 7 with a KD stinker over a PJ Washington 0-0-0 game. You know what I mean right? But I'm after KD's entertainment value. So there's that.

Can, could…

[Mr B]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/44108357/kevin-durant-trade-proposals-four-deals-suns-star

It's laughable, but it's Nico so everything is possible

Nico proved there are no untouchables on this roster.

If he makes that or similar trade, it's basically over for Mavs for 10+ years. And team with Kyrie/AD/KD and nothing on the bench can't come even close to the Finals.

Well it’s clear that’s what Nico wants.

[HMFFL]

Just be prepared. Nico is going to trade Lively and multiple 1st round picks for KD this off season.

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/44108357/kevin-durant-trade-proposals-four-deals-suns-star

It's laughable, but it's Nico so everything is possible

Durant wants to choice where play last years of his career, a lottery team is not a great destination for a 37yo ring chaser.

Nico plan is already failed. No way.
He can't save his ass.

Correct.

I highly doubt anyone of KD's caliber respects Nico or the ownership at this point. Free agency will be dead and not have any meaning.



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[HMFFL]

KD is a 2x Champion and a 2x Finals MVP.

Here is what I think KD is playing for:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_career.html

Currently 8th on the list and he said he intends on playing until the wheels fall off.

It won't be in Dallas.

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[Dirk2Doncic]

The Dallas Mavericks LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

A JOKE of a franchise.

And it started when Mark Cuban thought he was the smartest guy in the room.

Cuban thought he was smarter than his basketball lifer GM and brought in Vegas Bob

Pushed out basketball lifer GM who if it wasn't for Donnie Nelson the entire history of this franchise would be garbage and disappointment.

Donnie, who actually knew what he was doing, got Dirk here. Got Luka here. Donnie + Dirk made the Mavs great. Cuban rode Dirk's coattails and cheered until hubris, until in his hubris Mark thought he was smarter than everyone else.

After pushing out the son of an NBA player AND HC, basketball lifer, basketball junkie legit GM who with Dirk MADE the franchise he.... wait for it....

Hired a shoe saleseman LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

You can't make this stuff up. This should be made into a movie.

Nico Harrison, in the corporate world for the past 19 years before Cuban hired him LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

in his own hubris, ignorance, and disdain for a "certain" kind of player (I'll leave it at that)...

traded away a unicorn (Kristaps Porzingis) for a bag of role players LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

And after thinking about this some more it only gets worse...

Think about all that was built here under Donnie with the draft night acquisition to get Luka here (pure genius Donnie and LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL at the DUMB Atlanta Hawks

And then all that was built here, for years with the previous ownership. Think about this.... Mark Cuban is still part owner of the team. It's inconceivable that this move would be made when MARK IS STILL PART OWNER OF THE TEAM. Talk about your scheming, conniving, back stabbing, doing things in the dark behind people's back.

Mercenary teams almost always fail in the NBA. Heat with Lebron still had the home grown Wade. Celtics still had the home grown Pierce. Some of you cheering for a Nico mercenary team that's a franchise without a heart. That's a franchise without a soul. That is a FAILED franchise, who can't draft and develop a superstar.

In the meantime...

Once every 5 games Luka does something NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA HAS DONE. Mavs, even if the team was decimated by injury still had this must see TV legendary superstar who, on any given night, does something NOONE or very few have EVER done in the HISTORY of the league.

I repeat... IN THE MEANTIME...

Once every 5 games or so Luka does something NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA HAS DONE (or a select few)

The Dallas Mavericks. PUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CLOWN CAR. JOKE of a franchise.

[arkuo]

Wow. That was some post. LOL

[Mr B]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/44108357/kevin-durant-trade-proposals-four-deals-suns-star

It's laughable, but it's Nico so everything is possible

Durant wants to choice where play last years of his career, a lottery team is not a great destination for a 37yo ring chaser.

Nico plan is already failed. No way.
He can't save his ass.

Correct.

I highly doubt anyone of KD's caliber respects Nico or the ownership at this point. Free agency will be dead and not have any meaning.



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KD isn’t a free agent and doesn’t have a no trade clause. So the Mavs won’t be attempting to acquire KD that way. The Suns did say though that they will work with KD to trade him to a team of his choice. The NBA is going to make sure he ends up in LA with Luka.

[41Dirk41]

Durant wants to choice where play last years of his career, a lottery team is not a great destination for a 37yo ring chaser.

Nico plan is already failed. No way.
He can't save his ass.

Correct.

I highly doubt anyone of KD's caliber respects Nico or the ownership at this point. Free agency will be dead and not have any meaning.



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KD isn’t a free agent and doesn’t have a no trade clause. So the Mavs won’t be attempting to acquire KD that way. The Suns did say though that they will work with KD to trade him to a team of his choice. The NBA is going to make sure he ends up in LA with Luka.

HMFFL didn't mean that, KD will choice where he plays and probably not for Mavs/Nico/Dumont/this pathetic organization.

When you stab a player like Doncic in the back you have to prepare for the consequences.

[41Dirk41]

The Dallas Mavericks LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

A JOKE of a franchise.

And it started when Mark Cuban thought he was the smartest guy in the room.

Cuban thought he was smarter than his basketball lifer GM and brought in Vegas Bob

Pushed out basketball lifer GM who if it wasn't for Donnie Nelson the entire history of this franchise would be garbage and disappointment.

Donnie, who actually knew what he was doing, got Dirk here. Got Luka here. Donnie + Dirk made the Mavs great. Cuban rode Dirk's coattails and cheered until hubris, until in his hubris Mark thought he was smarter than everyone else.

After pushing out the son of an NBA player AND HC, basketball lifer, basketball junkie legit GM who with Dirk MADE the franchise he.... wait for it....

Hired a shoe saleseman LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

You can't make this stuff up. This should be made into a movie.

Nico Harrison, in the corporate world for the past 19 years before Cuban hired him LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

in his own hubris, ignorance, and disdain for a "certain" kind of player (I'll leave it at that)...

traded away a unicorn (Kristaps Porzingis) for a bag of role players LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

And after thinking about this some more it only gets worse...

Think about all that was built here under Donnie with the draft night acquisition to get Luka here (pure genius Donnie and LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL at the DUMB Atlanta Hawks

And then all that was built here, for years with the previous ownership. Think about this.... Mark Cuban is still part owner of the team. It's inconceivable that this move would be made when MARK IS STILL PART OWNER OF THE TEAM. Talk about your scheming, conniving, back stabbing, doing things in the dark behind people's back.

Mercenary teams almost always fail in the NBA. Heat with Lebron still had the home grown Wade. Celtics still had the home grown Pierce. Some of you cheering for a Nico mercenary team that's a franchise without a heart. That's a franchise without a soul. That is a FAILED franchise, who can't draft and develop a superstar.

In the meantime...

Once every 5 games Luka does something NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA HAS DONE. Mavs, even if the team was decimated by injury still had this must see TV legendary superstar who, on any given night, does something NOONE or very few have EVER done in the HISTORY of the league.

I repeat... IN THE MEANTIME...

Once every 5 games or so Luka does something NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA HAS DONE (or a select few)

The Dallas Mavericks. PUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CLOWN CAR. JOKE of a franchise.

Unfortunately Nico Harrison is not dumb, he built a Finals roster last year.

Luka trade is something else.

[Archx]

Unfortunately Nico Harrison is not dumb, he built a Finals roster last year.

Luka trade is something else.

I think it's clear by now it wasn't Nico... It was the guy who later left for Pistons, who are now a playoff team. Dennis Lindsey.

[41Dirk41]

Unfortunately Nico Harrison is not dumb, he built a Finals roster last year.

Luka trade is something else.

I think it's clear by now it wasn't Nico... It was the guy who later left for Pistons, who are now a playoff team. Dennis Lindsey.

I'm not sure... But ok, it's just my opinion.

[Mr B]

Correct.

I highly doubt anyone of KD's caliber respects Nico or the ownership at this point. Free agency will be dead and not have any meaning.



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KD isn’t a free agent and doesn’t have a no trade clause. So the Mavs won’t be attempting to acquire KD that way. The Suns did say though that they will work with KD to trade him to a team of his choice. The NBA is going to make sure he ends up in LA with Luka.

HMFFL didn't mean that, KD will choice where he plays and probably not for Mavs/Nico/Dumont/this pathetic organization.

When you stab a player like Doncic in the back you have to prepare for the consequences.

Yea if I had a choice as a player the Mavs wouldn’t be my first choice after they’ve shown how they treat players.

[Bob8]

Durant wants to choice where play last years of his career, a lottery team is not a great destination for a 37yo ring chaser.

Nico plan is already failed. No way.
He can't save his ass.

Correct.

I highly doubt anyone of KD's caliber respects Nico or the ownership at this point. Free agency will be dead and not have any meaning.



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KD isn’t a free agent and doesn’t have a no trade clause. So the Mavs won’t be attempting to acquire KD that way. The Suns did say though that they will work with KD to trade him to a team of his choice. The NBA is going to make sure he ends up in LA with Luka.

That's impossible. KD salary will be 55 mio next year, LA would need to give half a roster for him.

All this old players are a joke, they just cost too much. AD will cost 57.5 mio next year, Luka 46.