Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap -- 1st page updated on July 1st

Darren · Post #781 » by **Darren** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:36 am

After the trade, try out Lively-Flagg-Ball-PJ-Kyrie lineup. If it doesn't work, then trade PJ for good combo guard. In a long run, you can rely on two point forward to run the point. Good combo guard is less costly than an elite PG. Then, you build around a deep team.

Archx · Post #782 » by **Archx** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:43 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:
Archx wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
You should propose this on the T&T board, it's intriguing. The only way I'd want KD is for AD & picks

Then you'll have KD/PJ/Christie/Naji all on wings... How do you develop Flagg? Some players would have to go and then you risk gutting a deep roster just to make space for Flagg?

AD at the center would be ideal but then Lively is the odd man out. I mean... a ton of options if you're building for the future, but not that many for the "win now culture".

These trades that make sense on paper make no sense in reality because we have to see first how they solve playmaking issue. They still have B.Will as an option... maybe develop him, sign CP3 and hold on to your assets. There is also still a Gafford trade in the air, so there is some room as well.

But KD for AD, from logical standpoint, is not it. On top of it, we know AD is Nico's guy, he's not trading him after what he just did few months ago lol.

I think you guys are confused on the trade offer. PHX 2029 #1 is not belonging to PHX, tons of team are in the mix for the right for pick swap. So IMO, you can assume it will be a late first round pick. NYK pick will be a very distant one or actually untradeable yet, or if you are talking about that one from WAS, it has no value as it is lottery protected. Therefore, it is basically AD for KD + McBride + a late first, and it is a NO for me.

What do you mean confused? Did you even read what i wrote or did you quote the wrong person? Just like you, i didn't agree with the KD trade.

Archx · Post #783 » by **Archx** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:48 am

Mavrelous wrote:Here is my offseason plan on the T&T
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2461710
Dump Gafford and Marshall to gain cap flexibility, add CP3 and Sexton.
I didn't want to dump them, I prefered to send picks, but there really are no minutes, and it's unfair to keep them w/o real shot at playing.

I'm not sure Ainge would want that offer. He's basically just taking in "left overs" from other teams and gaining 3 2nd rounders.. i don't know what the Jazz actually want to build. If they want to start competing i'm not sure Hardy and Niang will be something they would want.

Post #784 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:51 am

Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Here is my offseason plan on the T&T
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2461710
Dump Gafford and Marshall to gain cap flexibility, add CP3 and Sexton.
I didn't want to dump them, I prefered to send picks, but there really are no minutes, and it's unfair to keep them w/o real shot at playing.

I'm not sure Ainge would want that offer. He's basically just taking in "left overs" from other teams and gaining 3 2nd rounders.. i don't know what the Jazz actually want to build. If they want to start competing i'm not sure Hardy and Niang will be something they would want.

He has to...
He has 2 options, extend Sexton or send him to a team that wants to play him, he's playing for his next contract and will not agree to tank another year.

Mr B · Post #785 » by **Mr B** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:57 am

Maverick41 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:DAL receives: KD + McBride + 1 FRP from NY + 1 FRP from PHX
NY receives: AD + Omax
PHX receives: KAT

DAL does the 2 timeline thing. Compete now, remain flexible and collect picks. McBride becomes the stopgap PG who also can play with Kyrie since he's a good defender. This team just fits better with Flagg while still accomplishing ownership and Nico's vision of competing now.

NY replaces KAT for a 2 way star in AD since they can't afford to have a negative defender with Brunson as seen by this recent series. The good news is that NY has the best medical staff to keep street clothes on the court. Replace KAT with a healthy AD and that team would have beat the Pacers.

PHX gets a star that is very good friends with their franchise guy in Booker. Keeps him happy and gets something good for KD before he leaves for nothing.

Is Phoenix a 2nd apron team?

Yup. It works since KAT is paid a mil less then KD.

What exactly is the rule with trading away multiple players or receiving multiple players in a trade, when you’re a 2nd apron team?

Archx · Post #786 » by **Archx** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 12:12 pm

Mr B wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:
Mr B wrote:Is Phoenix a 2nd apron team?

Yup. It works since KAT is paid a mil less then KD.

What exactly is the rule with trading away multiple players or receiving multiple players in a trade, when you’re a 2nd apron team?

Trade restrictions:

Teams can't aggregate contracts in trades

Teams can't trade multiple players in the same deal

Teams can't send cash out in trades

Teams can't use trade exceptions from previous years

Teams can't trade first-round picks that are seven years in the future

daoneandonly · Post #787 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 12:46 pm

Won't happen on either side, but if BKN were willing to take AD into space (or at least mostly, maybe use a couple of smaller contracts) plus the 8th pick and a future pick, would you do it?

We can then maybe draft Flagg's Duke running mate Kneuppel and have loads of cap flexibility.

arkuo · Post #788 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 1:20 pm

Every so often we do this. We are able to draft somebody with huge upside. Then we find ways to draft their friends or college buddies. Happened with Luka, will most likely happen with Flagg too. Next would be signing an enforcer to protect said player from other physical players. It's a cycle. LOL

Michaellam1987 · Post #789 » by **Michaellam1987** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 1:24 pm

Archx wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
Archx wrote:
Then you'll have KD/PJ/Christie/Naji all on wings... How do you develop Flagg? Some players would have to go and then you risk gutting a deep roster just to make space for Flagg?

AD at the center would be ideal but then Lively is the odd man out. I mean... a ton of options if you're building for the future, but not that many for the "win now culture".

These trades that make sense on paper make no sense in reality because we have to see first how they solve playmaking issue. They still have B.Will as an option... maybe develop him, sign CP3 and hold on to your assets. There is also still a Gafford trade in the air, so there is some room as well.

But KD for AD, from logical standpoint, is not it. On top of it, we know AD is Nico's guy, he's not trading him after what he just did few months ago lol.

I think you guys are confused on the trade offer. PHX 2029 #1 is not belonging to PHX, tons of team are in the mix for the right for pick swap. So IMO, you can assume it will be a late first round pick. NYK pick will be a very distant one or actually untradeable yet, or if you are talking about that one from WAS, it has no value as it is lottery protected. Therefore, it is basically AD for KD + McBride + a late first, and it is a NO for me.

What do you mean confused? Did you even read what i wrote or did you quote the wrong person? Just like you, i didn't agree with the KD trade.

I see many fellow DAL fans all love the trade, and myself love the trade initially, but after reading more clearly, the value of those picks are significantly lower, then I will rather stay put, instead of trading AD away for that package.

Post #790 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 1:58 pm

This entire saga is unclear to me
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/mavericks-features-profiles/2025/6/2/24440099/the-mavericks-arent-firing-nico-harrison-which-makes-things-weird

41Dirk41 · Post #791 » by **41Dirk41** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 1:59 pm

Our core is young, they need 2/3 years to figure out so trade AD&Irving for good 22/23yo prospects. Klay too.

We can't dump them for just picks because we can't tank. Players and picks.

41Dirk41 · Post #792 » by **41Dirk41** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 2:04 pm

Mavrelous wrote:This entire saga is unclear to me
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/mavericks-features-profiles/2025/6/2/24440099/the-mavericks-arent-firing-nico-harrison-which-makes-things-weird

I think Harrison is virtually fired but Dumont doesn't want to destroy his NBA career (that it's already done) so probably he will take 2/3 months next season to see what happens.

If the Mavs will fall and mostly if the chants/riots continue he will pull the trigger.

daoneandonly · Post #793 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 2:15 pm

arkuo wrote:Every so often we do this. We are able to draft somebody with huge upside. Then we find ways to draft their friends or college buddies. Happened with Luka, will most likely happen with Flagg too. Next would be signing an enforcer to protect said player from other physical players. It's a cycle. LOL

WHo was the Luka buddy?

arkuo · Post #794 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 2:27 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
arkuo wrote:Every so often we do this. We are able to draft somebody with huge upside. Then we find ways to draft their friends or college buddies. Happened with Luka, will most likely happen with Flagg too. Next would be signing an enforcer to protect said player from other physical players. It's a cycle. LOL

WHo was the Luka buddy?

All types of Europeans man. Trade proposals to bring anyone from Europe in including Jokic. Then after that cycle you have the enforcers like James Johnson and Grant Williams to protect Luka from the Montrezl Harrells of the world. :lol:

it's a cycle. It will happen with Flagg too. We're assembling the Duke Blue Devils and friends now.

What fans need to zero in is if Cooper actually turns out to be a big deal in the NBA, he can pull some strings and have the team draft his brother Ace. Similar to how Giannis gave employment to Thanasis, and Lebron with Bronny. That 2027 pick we own, or is it 2028? That's allotted for Ace Flagg. :nod:

Mr B · Post #795 » by **Mr B** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 3:10 pm

arkuo wrote:Every so often we do this. We are able to draft somebody with huge upside. Then we find ways to draft their friends or college buddies. Happened with Luka, will most likely happen with Flagg too. Next would be signing an enforcer to protect said player from other physical players. It's a cycle. LOL

Isn’t that Naji’s job? He’s the fighter on the team.

Mr B · Post #796 » by **Mr B** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 3:13 pm

Mavrelous wrote:This entire saga is unclear to me
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/mavericks-features-profiles/2025/6/2/24440099/the-mavericks-arent-firing-nico-harrison-which-makes-things-weird

I keep telling you guys that Nico isn’t getting fired. Get used to seeing him around, he’s going to be here until at least 2032.

Archx · Post #797 » by **Archx** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:24 pm

I would say Nico is not getting fired but he's on the clock or at least Dumont is more aware now. If he wasn't a clueless casino owner, he wouldn't agree to this trade. But with everything that went on Nico surely got into his head because he wanted his own team and his own staff.

This is actually a great meme for this situation. No way an experienced owner would fall for all the BS Nico was feeding him before and after the trade.

Mr B · Post #798 » by **Mr B** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:37 pm

Archx wrote:I would say Nico is not getting fired but he's on the clock or at least Dumont is more aware now. If he wasn't a clueless casino owner, he wouldn't agree to this trade. But with everything that went on Nico surely got into his head because he wanted his own team and his own staff.

This is actually a great meme for this situation. No way an experienced owner would fall for all the BS Nico was feeding him before and after the trade.

I think you might be underestimating just how much Dumont was involved in the Luka trade.

41Dirk41 · Post #799 » by **41Dirk41** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:42 pm

Mr B wrote:
Archx wrote:I would say Nico is not getting fired but he's on the clock or at least Dumont is more aware now. If he wasn't a clueless casino owner, he wouldn't agree to this trade. But with everything that went on Nico surely got into his head because he wanted his own team and his own staff.

This is actually a great meme for this situation. No way an experienced owner would fall for all the BS Nico was feeding him before and after the trade.

I think you might be underestimating just how much Dumont was involved in the Luka trade.

He was completely agree with that trade, that's sure.

But now he has to save his face with fans and mostly with Adelsons... So Harrison is done.
No Christmas Mavs for him. Sure.

Archx · Post #800 » by **Archx** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:54 pm

Mr B wrote:I think you might be underestimating just how much Dumont was involved in the Luka trade.

He was involved but it wasn't his idea. After Nico convinced him he was obviously fully on board and later made a lot of dumb statements and angered fans even more. New CEO Waltz was also informed 45 mins before it happened and did nothing to stop the trade. They were all on this as was Kidd. But like i said, experienced owner who knows this business inside out and the fanbase, would first fire his GM before let anything like this happen.