Trade Discussion 22/23

[SOUNDCHASER]

Jrue is a lot older at 32 and yeah you lower some salary but then who can you give more to, when all you have is the BAE and MLE to use?

I see Jrue is at that age when athleticism is dropping off some and so his defensive game may start to suffer.

I prefer to gain players in their youth before they get on the downhill slip to mediocrity and retirement.

If you lose a step then you are no longer that player you used to be and with Jrue that is possibly the case or it shortly will be.

His scoring in the playoffs this year dipped a few points over what he did in the regular season. On the surface you look at him and think based solely on reputation it may be a great trade off but then the numbers and the age thing gets understood and your excitement is lessened to a dull roar it may deserve a second analysis.

The guy may come back next season and be a great defender of we may see even more slippage. As a PG he is okay with 7 to 8 APG Luka is similar and he also gets the same number of steals as Jrue so what is so special about this guys defensive prowess at this point in his career if he is matched on steals by our guy who is suppsedly not a great defender

[SOUNDCHASER]

Jrue is a lot older at 32 and yeah you lower some salary but then who can you give more to, when all you have is the BAE and MLE to use?

I see Jrue is at that age when athleticism is dropping off some and so his defensive game may start to suffer.

I prefer to gain players in their youth before they get on the downhill slip to mediocrity and retirement.

If you lose a step then you are no longer that player you used to be and with Jrue that is possibly the case or it shortly will be.

His scoring in the playoffs this year dipped a few points over what he did in the regular season. On the surface you look at him and think based solely on reputation it may be a great trade off but then the numbers and the age thing gets understood and your excitement is lessened to a dull roar it may deserve a second analysis.

The guy may come back next season and be a great defender of we may see even more slippage. As a PG he is okay with 7 to 8 APG Luka is similar and he also gets the same number of steals as Jrue so what is so special about this guys defensive prowess at this point in his career if he is matched on steals by our guy who is suppsedly not a great defender.

[Maverick41]

Enter a long ass post of a potential DAL offseason that I concocted after reading way too much realgm trade scenarios:

DAL Receives: DFS + #21 + #22
BRK Receives: Bertans + #10

DAL gets a familiar face that Luka likes. Gets 2 picks that they use below. BRK stretches Bertans, saves tax and gets a higher level prospect with #10.

DAL Receives: Capela
ATL Receives: Kleber + McGee + #21

We get our starting big. End of story. ATL gets a versatile big, a backup big and a FRP. And they save money which is what their ownership wants.

DAL Receives: Bojan Bogdanovic
DET Receives: THJ + #22

We get out of THJ's contract, his inconsistency and replace him with one of the most lethal shooters in the NBA who can also create. We need that since downgrading Kyrie's offense to Holiday's offense is pretty big. DET gets a FRP and a guy that consistently plays well in their arena.

DAL Receives: J. Sims
NY Receives: Cash + Remove Protections on 24 FRP

We get a young, very athletic C. We also remove protections and enables us to trade the 26 FRP. Might screw ourselves if Luka gets injured though. NY gets a guaranteed FRP that they can use to trade for another guy (OG?).

DAL Receives: Jrue Holiday
MIL Receives: SnT Kyrie

Get out of the Kyrie headache. Get a reliable 2 way guy and arguably best guard defender in the NBA. MIL gets the offensive creator they need and instantly catapult back to the Vegas title favorites next year. If needed because of tax reasons and/or Kyrie wanting more money, MIL can send their choice of filler.

Free agency, sign Derrick Jones Jr, Keita Bates-Diop, Powell (vet-min). KBD becomes a solid 3&D guy for us while DJJ can be the uber-athletic guy probably doesn't play a lot in the playoffs but can help a lot in the RS.

We roll out with the following:

Luka/Hardy/Vet PG
Holiday/Green/Lawson
DFS/Bullock/
Bogie/DJJ/KBD
Capela/Sims/Powell

Solid mix of offense/defense, savvy/athletic players. Holiday becomes are go to defensive stopper for guards/wings. DFS goes to a role more fitting which is a secondary guard/wing defender. Bogie is the elite floor spacer. Capela is our rim protector. Luka is Luka and hopefully even better next season. We still have 2 future FRPs to dangle as well. And still have our 2 young guys with potential in Hardy and Green.

[Mavrelous]

I like most of the deals.
I wouldn't remove protections for Sims, too risky, and I wouldn't sign DJJ, I'd throw the TPMLE on Jalen McDaniels, if PHI signs Harden they'd be wary about adding payroll, if not, then I'd keep the TPMLE for another opportunity.
I'm on the fence about THJ + 1st for Bogi, if Mavs manage to get DFS + McDaniels or other forward, THJ is a better fit.

[Maverick41]

I like most of the deals.
I wouldn't remove protections for Sims, too risky, and I wouldn't sign DJJ, I'd throw the TPMLE on Jalen McDaniels, if PHI signs Harden they'd be wary about adding payroll, if not, then I'd keep the TPMLE for another opportunity.
I'm on the fence about THJ + 1st for Bogi, if Mavs manage to get DFS + McDaniels or other forward, THJ is a better fit.

Yeah I figured the Sims trade would be a problem. It's my main issue too but I wanted to somehow get a guy that we can plug in do things similar to Capela. I watch the Knicks quite a bit and Sims always seems to thrive in those plug in starter moments. Perhaps a less risky way to get a guy like that so I don' disagree.

On DJJ vs McDaniels. I prefer McDaniels way more as well but I think there's a very high chance he either gets resigned or gets higher then the TPMLE elsewhere. I think DJJ is more realistic and DAL has expressed interest in him before so I think there might be something there. I really want to add some athletes to this team. Would be nice to have some guys that can jump over guys rather then always being the team that gets jumped over (sometimes literally).

As for THJ + 1st for Bogi. The way I look at is Bogi is a better creator and shooter then THJ. I consider the downgrade offensively from Kyrie to Holiday to be pretty big so I think having that 3rd offensive creator might be necessary. If Luka goes down for any stretch, I feel pretty comfortable with Holiday and Bogi keeping the team at least afloat. If it was THJ + Holiday, I'd probably submit my tanking application.

[Mavrelous]

I like most of the deals.
I wouldn't remove protections for Sims, too risky, and I wouldn't sign DJJ, I'd throw the TPMLE on Jalen McDaniels, if PHI signs Harden they'd be wary about adding payroll, if not, then I'd keep the TPMLE for another opportunity.
I'm on the fence about THJ + 1st for Bogi, if Mavs manage to get DFS + McDaniels or other forward, THJ is a better fit.

Yeah I figured the Sims trade would be a problem. It's my main issue too but I wanted to somehow get a guy that we can plug in do things similar to Capela. I watch the Knicks quite a bit and Sims always seems to thrive in those plug in starter moments. Perhaps a less risky way to get a guy like that so I don' disagree.

On DJJ vs McDaniels. I prefer McDaniels way more as well but I think there's a very high chance he either gets resigned or gets higher then the TPMLE elsewhere. I think DJJ is more realistic and DAL has expressed interest in him before so I think there might be something there. I really want to add some athletes to this team. Would be nice to have some guys that can jump over guys rather then always being the team that gets jumped over (sometimes literally).

As for THJ + 1st for Bogi. The way I look at is Bogi is a better creator and shooter then THJ. I consider the downgrade offensively from Kyrie to Holiday to be pretty big so I think having that 3rd offensive creator might be necessary. If Luka goes down for any stretch, I feel pretty comfortable with Holiday and Bogi keeping the team at least afloat. If it was THJ + Holiday, I'd probably submit my tanking application.

Makes sense.
If Mavs go for Kyrie for Jrue then Bogi is a better fit, if not, then THJ is the better fit, I'm not sure Nico would go for Kyrie for Jrue due to complications of such deal (Miwaukee is will need some financial wizardry).
DJJ wasn't received well on POR or Bulls fans, but Luka may make a lot out of him, so he may be a good target.

[daoneandonly]

Enter a long ass post of a potential DAL offseason that I concocted after reading way too much realgm trade scenarios:

DAL Receives: DFS + #21 + #22
BRK Receives: Bertans + #10

DAL gets a familiar face that Luka likes. Gets 2 picks that they use below. BRK stretches Bertans, saves tax and gets a higher level prospect with #10.

DAL Receives: Capela
ATL Receives: Kleber + McGee + #21

We get our starting big. End of story. ATL gets a versatile big, a backup big and a FRP. And they save money which is what their ownership wants.

DAL Receives: Bojan Bogdanovic
DET Receives: THJ + #22

We get out of THJ's contract, his inconsistency and replace him with one of the most lethal shooters in the NBA who can also create. We need that since downgrading Kyrie's offense to Holiday's offense is pretty big. DET gets a FRP and a guy that consistently plays well in their arena.

DAL Receives: J. Sims
NY Receives: Cash + Remove Protections on 24 FRP

We get a young, very athletic C. We also remove protections and enables us to trade the 26 FRP. Might screw ourselves if Luka gets injured though. NY gets a guaranteed FRP that they can use to trade for another guy (OG?).

DAL Receives: Jrue Holiday
MIL Receives: SnT Kyrie

Get out of the Kyrie headache. Get a reliable 2 way guy and arguably best guard defender in the NBA. MIL gets the offensive creator they need and instantly catapult back to the Vegas title favorites next year. If needed because of tax reasons and/or Kyrie wanting more money, MIL can send their choice of filler.

Free agency, sign Derrick Jones Jr, Keita Bates-Diop, Powell (vet-min). KBD becomes a solid 3&D guy for us while DJJ can be the uber-athletic guy probably doesn't play a lot in the playoffs but can help a lot in the RS.

We roll out with the following:

Luka/Hardy/Vet PG
Holiday/Green/Lawson
DFS/Bullock/
Bogie/DJJ/KBD
Capela/Sims/Powell

Solid mix of offense/defense, savvy/athletic players. Holiday becomes are go to defensive stopper for guards/wings. DFS goes to a role more fitting which is a secondary guard/wing defender. Bogie is the elite floor spacer. Capela is our rim protector. Luka is Luka and hopefully even better next season. We still have 2 future FRPs to dangle as well. And still have our 2 young guys with potential in Hardy and Green.

You didnt used to have another username starting with LAL by chance did you? I just remmeber said poster loved Sims.

[BliscoSantos]

I still think #10 pick should be used for Miles Turner...it should be high enough pick for Pacers to take it...#10 for Dodo is too high ,especialy since Nets would never give the Mavs 2first rounders

[BliscoSantos]

Maybe the Mavs get lucky and pick top6...then they can maybe use it for OG(include Green) or someone Else who becomes available(Siakam)

[BliscoSantos]

Maybe Mavs should have a Look at Kevin Punter (Partizan Belgrade)...the Guy could be what Timmy is on a lot cheaper contract...Guy looks like a 6.4 KD

[Ni Da Ye]

Jrue is a lot older at 32 and yeah you lower some salary but then who can you give more to, when all you have is the BAE and MLE to use?

I see Jrue is at that age when athleticism is dropping off some and so his defensive game may start to suffer.

I prefer to gain players in their youth before they get on the downhill slip to mediocrity and retirement.

If you lose a step then you are no longer that player you used to be and with Jrue that is possibly the case or it shortly will be.

His scoring in the playoffs this year dipped a few points over what he did in the regular season. On the surface you look at him and think based solely on reputation it may be a great trade off but then the numbers and the age thing gets understood and your excitement is lessened to a dull roar it may deserve a second analysis.

The guy may come back next season and be a great defender of we may see even more slippage. As a PG he is okay with 7 to 8 APG Luka is similar and he also gets the same number of steals as Jrue so what is so special about this guys defensive prowess at this point in his career if he is matched on steals by our guy who is suppsedly not a great defender

I'd rather have Jrue than Irving who is also old.

[Maverick41]

You didnt used to have another username starting with LAL by chance did you? I just remmeber said poster loved Sims.

Nah I remember that guy though. Was hoping the Sims shoutout would lure him back out.

[SOUNDCHASER]

Jrue is a lot older at 32 and yeah you lower some salary but then who can you give more to, when all you have is the BAE and MLE to use?

I see Jrue is at that age when athleticism is dropping off some and so his defensive game may start to suffer.

I prefer to gain players in their youth before they get on the downhill slip to mediocrity and retirement.

If you lose a step then you are no longer that player you used to be and with Jrue that is possibly the case or it shortly will be.

His scoring in the playoffs this year dipped a few points over what he did in the regular season. On the surface you look at him and think based solely on reputation it may be a great trade off but then the numbers and the age thing gets understood and your excitement is lessened to a dull roar it may deserve a second analysis.

The guy may come back next season and be a great defender of we may see even more slippage. As a PG he is okay with 7 to 8 APG Luka is similar and he also gets the same number of steals as Jrue so what is so special about this guys defensive prowess at this point in his career if he is matched on steals by our guy who is suppsedly not a great defender

I'd rather have Jrue than Irving who is also old.

I would rather Irving leave for nothing and go to LA than make that trade.

I would be happier by a lot because of how we could use the $$$ and add Rui Hachimura and Poeltl.

Irving leaving us and going to LA would mean we could have our take from LA since Rui Hachimura is a restricted free agent and they could not match us on him and that is about all I want from them but what a talent he could be a max guy in the future and they would be unable to keep us from coming in and taking him.

Hardy Green would be enough to play PG but we could also find a player out there we like better and with all that money we would have from not having Irving's salary hindering us.

That might be a blessing in disguise and if we can dump Bertans and Bullock for someone else that would be a good use for that $$$.

So far I would pencil this in there if Irving was to leave. We would improve our starting line up immediately and keep our rookies to improve the team later on by a great deal more and I like that kind of guaranteed return on investment.

LUKA WRIGHT (FA?) ( ROOKIE )
HARDY HARDAWAY HOLIDAY
GREEN PINSON LAWSON BULLOCK
RUI KLEBER BERTANS ( ROOKIE )
POELTL ( ROOKIE ) MCGEE

ROOKIE PG Juan Nunez is said to be the best Euro prospect but he is missing out of most mocks in the 2nd round so he should be undrafted he would serve as a good option since he is 6'4 and posibly another free agent would work as well.

ROOKIE PF Gregory Jackson the 6'9 or is he 6'10 now and still growing since he is only 18 and with Rui we can let him take his time and develop more.

ROOKIE C Zach Edey the potential big that could come in and start in his first year and become an unstoppable offensive force but with Poeltl we can afford to let him develop and become that as he is able to develop.

[arkuo]

Anyone watched the Miami- Milwaukee series when Jimmy Butler towed the whole team for a comeback victory while his whole team just watched?

So Im here in my house wondering why not one of Kyrie or Luka could have towed the team against the Hornets. TWICE. Something tells me there's a chemistry issue there that the public just doesnt know about.

[Maverick41]

Anyone watched the Miami- Milwaukee series when Jimmy Butler towed the whole team for a comeback victory while his whole team just watched?

So Im here in my house wondering why not one of Kyrie or Luka could have towed the team against the Hornets. TWICE. Something tells me there's a chemistry issue there that the public just doesnt know about.

The difference is that Butler carried the team offensively and his teammates did their jobs defensively and on the boards.

Kyrie and Luka can both put up 30+ but it won't matter if we can't defend a chair or get rebounded by 20+ every game. Their problems isn't on chemistry, it's on the roster creation and the coach who just watches as these problems persists in games and chooses to not do anything about it.

[Mavrelous]

Kyrie wants to be a Laker, thing is, there is conceivable way for him to be one...

[41Dirk41]

Anyone watched the Miami- Milwaukee series when Jimmy Butler towed the whole team for a comeback victory while his whole team just watched?

So Im here in my house wondering why not one of Kyrie or Luka could have towed the team against the Hornets. TWICE. Something tells me there's a chemistry issue there that the public just doesnt know about.

The difference is that Butler carried the team offensively and his teammates did their jobs defensively and on the boards.

Kyrie and Luka can both put up 30+ but it won't matter if we can't defend a chair or get rebounded by 20+ every game. Their problems isn't on chemistry, it's on the roster creation and the coach who just watches as these problems persists in games and chooses to not do anything about it.

This.

[arkuo]

Anyone watched the Miami- Milwaukee series when Jimmy Butler towed the whole team for a comeback victory while his whole team just watched?

So Im here in my house wondering why not one of Kyrie or Luka could have towed the team against the Hornets. TWICE. Something tells me there's a chemistry issue there that the public just doesnt know about.

The difference is that Butler carried the team offensively and his teammates did their jobs defensively and on the boards.

Kyrie and Luka can both put up 30+ but it won't matter if we can't defend a chair or get rebounded by 20+ every game. Their problems isn't on chemistry, it's on the roster creation and the coach who just watches as these problems persists in games and chooses to not do anything about it.

There's no excuse to lose to the Charlotte Hornets TWICE in consecutive nights.

[Archx]

S&T with Lakers is all i'm hoping for Kyrie.

I don't trust Mavs FO to build ANYTHING without assests. They can't get things done even when they have a lot of cap left. What are they going to do by being locked above TAX apron?

There's no excuse to lose to the Charlotte Hornets TWICE in consecutive nights.

Agreed. But like Maverick said, in game 1 Mavs shot 25% from 3 on 36 shots. And in 2nd game they were outrebounded by 21 rbs lol...

Combine all of that with poor inside defense/rebounding and horrible execution and you get 2 easy losses.

Luka averaged 38/11/8 and Kyrie in one of those games was their 2nd best rebounder

[Maverick41]

S&T with Lakers is all i'm hoping for Kyrie.

What package do you want in return from LAL?