Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1)

[arkuo]

There's smoke coming out of Boston that they want to trade Hayward for Blake Griffin but Detroit doesn't find Hayward appealing for a rebuilding team.I'd look to get into a 3 way deal with Blake going to Boston, Hayward going to us then THJ + Courtney Lee + Brunson going to Detroit. Hayward could really be a nice 3rd star to go with Luka and KP.

Also, I'd look around for Dwight Powell deals. Sure, he fits really well with Luka throwing lobs, but I dont think his value will be any higher than it is today, and the ceiling for Powell is probably the same as Brandan Wright. Which means we need to sell high if a good deal comes along. Say Indiana loses it's patience on Myles Turner averaging like 5 points this season, I'd gladly send them Powell + Delon Wright. Turner + Porzingis will be a really tough defensive matchup for any team.

Turner is a true 3&D PF/C. Rare as it is, he would be a really good fit opposite KP.

[ejs78]

Haven't heard this Blake for Hayward trade yet here in Detroit.

Don't think T- Shirt Tom Gores does it either

There's smoke coming out of Boston that they want to trade Hayward for Blake Griffin but Detroit doesn't find Hayward appealing for a rebuilding team.I'd look to get into a 3 way deal with Blake going to Boston, Hayward going to us then THJ + Courtney Lee + Brunson going to Detroit. Hayward could really be a nice 3rd star to go with Luka and KP.

Also, I'd look around for Dwight Powell deals. Sure, he fits really well with Luka throwing lobs, but I dont think his value will be any higher than it is today, and the ceiling for Powell is probably the same as Brandan Wright. Which means we need to sell high if a good deal comes along. Say Indiana loses it's patience on Myles Turner averaging like 5 points this season, I'd gladly send them Powell + Delon Wright. Turner + Porzingis will be a really tough defensive matchup for any team.

Turner is a true 3&D PF/C. Rare as it is, he would be a really good fit opposite KP.

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[HairyGOATee]

Hearing Miami wants to unload Dion Waiters but there are literally zero takers from the league. ZERO.

Courtney Lee's expiring + Roby

for

Dion Waiters + Bam Adebayo

Who says no?

Definitely Miami. Adebayo is way too good to unload in a salary dump.

Agreed, however I like the idea

How about Olynyk + Waiters for Lee + Roby

We buy out Waiters immediately

Waiters might be a guy to target with the TPE, but even then I'll pass. The Heat would have to give up draft capital if the Mavs decide to take him on.

EDIT: Just now realized Waiters can't be absorbed by the TPE, so I'll pass on him, unless the Mavs can somehow get a first from the Heat. And, I doubt that's possible.

[Captain_Obvious]

Definitely Miami. Adebayo is way too good to unload in a salary dump.

Agreed, however I like the idea

How about Olynyk + Waiters for Lee + Roby

We buy out Waiters immediately

Waiters might be a guy to target with the TPE, but even then I'll pass. The Heat would have to give up draft capital if the Mavs decide to take him on.

EDIT: Just now realized Waiters can't be absorbed by the TPE, so I'll pass on him, unless the Mavs can somehow get a first from the Heat. And, I doubt that's possible.

You write Waiters but you mean Olynyk, right?

[arkuo]

Haven't heard this Blake for Hayward trade yet here in Detroit.

Don't think T- Shirt Tom Gores does it either

There's smoke coming out of Boston that they want to trade Hayward for Blake Griffin but Detroit doesn't find Hayward appealing for a rebuilding team.I'd look to get into a 3 way deal with Blake going to Boston, Hayward going to us then THJ + Courtney Lee + Brunson going to Detroit. Hayward could really be a nice 3rd star to go with Luka and KP.

Also, I'd look around for Dwight Powell deals. Sure, he fits really well with Luka throwing lobs, but I dont think his value will be any higher than it is today, and the ceiling for Powell is probably the same as Brandan Wright. Which means we need to sell high if a good deal comes along. Say Indiana loses it's patience on Myles Turner averaging like 5 points this season, I'd gladly send them Powell + Delon Wright. Turner + Porzingis will be a really tough defensive matchup for any team.

Turner is a true 3&D PF/C. Rare as it is, he would be a really good fit opposite KP.

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I wonder if Dallas can steal Sekou Dombuoya from the Pistons. Maybe Brunson for Sekou straight up.

[arkuo]

Joe Harris for Seth Curry straight up works too.

With the Nets' payroll, they cant afford to keep Harris especially when some team comes swooping in. They get a shooter for a shooter which is fair.

For Dallas, you get a Seth Curry replacement now, and an expiring contract in the summer if you prefer it that way. You're buying flexibility in case a good free agent comes along.

[ejs78]

Id go for our old friend Crowder and Bertans whos stock continues to rise.

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[HairyGOATee]

Agreed, however I like the idea

How about Olynyk + Waiters for Lee + Roby

We buy out Waiters immediately

Waiters might be a guy to target with the TPE, but even then I'll pass. The Heat would have to give up draft capital if the Mavs decide to take him on.

EDIT: Just now realized Waiters can't be absorbed by the TPE, so I'll pass on him, unless the Mavs can somehow get a first from the Heat. And, I doubt that's possible.

You write Waiters but you mean Olynyk, right?

I mean Waiters. Wouldn't touch him unless Miami is throwing a first round pick our way.

[HairyGOATee]

Id go for our old friend Crowder and Bertans whos stock continues to rise.

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Bertans would cost a first round pick though, I'm sure.

[Darren]

Joe Harris for Seth Curry straight up works too.

With the Nets' payroll, they cant afford to keep Harris especially when some team comes swooping in. They get a shooter for a shooter which is fair.

For Dallas, you get a Seth Curry replacement now, and an expiring contract in the summer if you prefer it that way. You're buying flexibility in case a good free agent comes along.

This is an idea worth exploring. I'm tired of either DFS or JJ 2.0 at PF. The Mavs needs more frontcourt depth in general.

[Darren]

Waiters might be a guy to target with the TPE, but even then I'll pass. The Heat would have to give up draft capital if the Mavs decide to take him on.

EDIT: Just now realized Waiters can't be absorbed by the TPE, so I'll pass on him, unless the Mavs can somehow get a first from the Heat. And, I doubt that's possible.

You write Waiters but you mean Olynyk, right?

I mean Waiters. Wouldn't touch him unless Miami is throwing a first round pick our way.

I think the Mavs eventually will only consider serviable players on expiring contract for 11M TPE. Players like AI, Ibaka or so on fit this categories. Actually, I'll strongly consider Yogi as well. The 2nd unit is running inconsistent but most of the time chaotic offense. At least, we know Yogi is capable in catch-n-shoot and pick-n-roll. In this way, two of Brunson, Wright or Curry could be moved by deadline. I'd consider players like Ntilikina who's young quality defender on expiring contract with RFA status.

[Darren]

TRADE ONE:
Orlando: DJ Augustine (EXP), Mo Bamba, right to swap Orlando 2nd with Golden States 2nd in 2019
Dallas: Seth Curry, Boban Marjanovic, Justin Jackson

The Mavs gets two Texas native and add usable frontcourt piece to the rotation. DJ can run pick-n-roll offense much better than Wright or Brunson. The Mavs loses Curry and JJ 2.0 for a chance to make a run at FVV in 2020. Orlando, meanwhile, gets shooters around Aaron Gordon. Boban is also international talents Orlando wants to add alongside Vucevic and Fournier.

TRADE TWO:
Utah: Dante Exum (1-year shorter than Wright's deal), Royce O'Neale
Dallas: Delon Wright, Jalen Brunson

The Mavs gets two proven young players who plays solid defense against James Harden. Utah may want better PG rotation. While Conley has been top few PG, Mike is inconsistent. Exum is out of rotation this season. Delon, meanwhile, fits the uptempo offense Utah is running. Brunson has more PG talent than Exum.


After this 2 deals, the Mavs fixes three problems:

1. Lack of frontcourt rotation piece. Bamba could be the 3D big with shotblocking. This could allow the Mavs to have ideal size, athleticism and shotblocking presence on court all the time. Bamba may perform better in front of homecourt crowd.

2. Chaotic 2nd unit offense. DJ Augustin and Barea are both able to run pick-n-roll offense with Zinger. And DJ could be Barea replacement if Barea opts to retire after this season. As a Texas native, I think DJ gives hometown discount to stay after this season. Exum can also run offense at times but serves primarily as defensive piece.

3. Lacking quality and quatity defenders. The Mavs struggle against teams (E.g. Clippers, Boston and so on) with multiple perimeter defenders so far. While Wright is good putting pressure on ball, Wright is not very good guarding pick-n-roll. After this deal, the Mavs could put on full-shutdown lineup when needed. This is the kind of success the franchise found in the likes of Adrian Griffin, Raja Bell and Greg Buckner.

These deals gives the Mavs better chance to land FVV or Ntilikina next summer. If Bamba produces immediately, I'm opened to deal Powell for expiring or TE. Then, sign Amir Johnson at veteran minimum to solidfify defense.

[Darren]

Morris and Ntilikina to Mavs also make senses. Depending on how much cap rooms opened up. This deal may worth trading a pick. For example, Powell, Wright and Brunson with either GSW 2020 2nd or DAL next available first might worth it. The Mavs gets a long-term 3D players with PG potential in Ntilikina who openly wants to be part of the Zinger's trade. From the NYK games, it clearly shows Ntilikina's worth as a defender and practice buddy with Luka. Morris has also shown the worth scoring and rebounding-wise in the Dallas losses. As Morris is technically expiring, this opens up significant amount to make a run at FVV next summer.

The Mavs still has Seth Curry, Justin Jackson, Boban Marjanovic and a pick offered for DJ Augustin and Mo Bamba. This may improve the defense in significant manner.

C - Kristap Porzingis / Maxi Kleber / Amir Johnson (vet min)
PF - Marcus Morris (EXP) / Mo Bamba / Isisah Roby
SF - Dorian Finney-Smith / Ryan Broekhoff (EXP) / Josh Reaves (promoted to 15 roster spot)
SG - Luka Doncic / Tim Hardaway / Courtney Lee (EXP)
PG - Frank Ntilikina / DJ Augustin (EXP) / JJ Barea (EXP)

[ejs78]

have 3 threads on generally the same topic. How about combining them?

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[ejs78]

FYI

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/12/bulls-thaddeus-young-dissatisfied-with-role.html?fv-home=true&post-id=147218



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[ejs78]

No thanks

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/12/mixed-opinions-on-kevin-loves-trade-value.html?fv-home=true&post-id=147234



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[Darren]

Drummond has a player option after this season. I wonder if Drummond wants to opt out. If the Mavs is managed to create maximum space for Drummond and Van Vleet. The Mavs is heavy favorite to win all next season.

[ejs78]

I live in Detroit and he's talked about opting out after this year. T- shirt Tom Gores loves him and has nixed trades involving him. Fans want him gone.

He can be very sensitive and lazy. The Pistons want to ride three treadmill of mediocrity for ever.

Me personally I would trade for him as a 3rd option and one job of rebounding I believe he could succeed. However I do get the argument of him clogging the lane for Luka. If you could center a deal around THJ which would lead the Pistons to finally tank and if it didn't work he could opt out for the Mavs it would be a win win

Drummond has a player option after this season. I wonder if Drummond wants to opt out. If the Mavs is managed to create maximum space for Drummond and Van Vleet. The Mavs is heavy favorite to win all next season.

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[arkuo]

I live in Detroit and he's talked about opting out after this year. T- shirt Tom Gores loves him and has nixed trades involving him. Fans want him gone.

He can be very sensitive and lazy. The Pistons want to ride three treadmill of mediocrity for ever.

Me personally I would trade for him as a 3rd option and one job of rebounding I believe he could succeed. However I do get the argument of him clogging the lane for Luka. If you could center a deal around THJ which would lead the Pistons to finally tank and if it didn't work he could opt out for the Mavs it would be a win win

Drummond has a player option after this season. I wonder if Drummond wants to opt out. If the Mavs is managed to create maximum space for Drummond and Van Vleet. The Mavs is heavy favorite to win all next season.

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Ejs78,

Do you think Drummond has more room to grow? Do you see him learning a go-to post move or at least a jump shot?

I remember Carlisle and Cuban wanted to get Deandre Jordan at the same age Drummond is now at 25 or 26. And they were hinting at expanding DJ's game at that time because he was still young. Could hold true for Drummond as well. But Im not familiar with his ceiling, if any. Work ethic as well.

In terms of effort and hustle, guys like Aron Baynes have gone further with far less skill and height/bulk. If Drummond can have that kind of fire, I think Im good with getting him on board. I think.

[J_T]

First, I've met Jared Cunningham on more than one occasion, and he is a good dude. So, no besmirching his name please.

Second, J_T, that list looks like you're missing A LOT of names. It doesn't even look like it. You are missing a lot of names. I'd just have to go back and look.

And, I know you're not giving the Warriors **** for their drafting success... are you?! Lol! That's crazy man. You must have another point there because you're one of the best posters on this forum. But, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off on that take.

I don't think I missed anyone. I just tried to use the same standards as Pinkyring did when he said that Dallas had zero meaningful players drafted since 2003. Also keep in mind we are only talking about players drafted outside of top 10. I used a rather objective standard by checking all players that have had BPM 1.0 or higher, with reasonable VORP to go with it. On top of that I added also some other notable names (for example Brogdon has had crappy BPM numbers so far in his career, but I still added him).
I'm ok with adding more names, sure, but I would add them to the Mavs then as well. I just went with high standard here.

Honestly, I don't even know what BPM is. So, you'll have to explain some of that to me.

But, whatever it is. If it would take Brogdon off your list as a "hit" on a guy who was drafted 36th!! and became the rookie of the year and signed a 4 year $85 mil contract with the Pacers, which the Bucks recouped a future 1st round pick and 2 future 2nd round picks for Brogdon. Then yeah. That's a real bad measurement, and you're definitely leaving a lot of names off the list if Brogdon would of been considered a "failure".

Who else was borderline?

When I get a chance, I'm going to take a look. There will probably be some names in the middle that will be debatable.

My basic contention is the list that was given made it seem like everybody has a 5% hit rate. But, I think the Mavs have been far worse than most. There's definitely organizations who are better than others.

Sure, there are organizations that were better, but it still falls withing margin of error. In other words it is very much possible that it's down to luck, not skill. If that is the case then this says nothing about Mavs' future drafting success.

As for BPM, value of zero is league average. Value of -2 is replacement player. So I took value of +1 as a player who is well above league average. Brogdon won rookie of the year, but he was one of the worst ROY's that I can think of. His line was 10 pts, 3 rbs per game. That was not enough to reach league average value, but was still very good for a rookie. His second season was a disappointment and it's the main reason why his average BPM is down so far in his career. He was especially bad in defense, badly affecting defensive BPM. The way he has been playing last two seasons is of course much better, last season his BPM was 1.5 and this season 4.1, both well above the 1.0 value that I took. So that's why I added him, because it looks to me he is certainly a 1+ BPM player with a normal rookie season and one bad sophomore season.