Mavs Summer League 2023 (Next: July 16 vs Hawks 9:30 EST)

[41Dirk41]

When I watch the highlights of Cason, I discovered that Cason scored once against no.23 and no.14 respectively . The rest of those jumpers are all guarded by no. 3. Hardy needs to learn how to contest shots properly.

He has great talent. No question. But he seems lazy.

I don't see fire in his eyes, he has all the tools for eat alive all the SL opponents.

Am i the only one who is scared about his low release?

After already see him be a bucket last year and shot 40% from 3 I’m not that worried about his shot anymore.

Yes, we know he can scores. It's not the question.

His release is very low, i think against good PO defender he can have some problems... He needs to improve it.

Anyway he looks bigger and stronger. That's good.

[Mr B]

I didn’t get to watch the game because the wife and I are in Japan right now but people on twitter are saying that Lively’s and OMax’s defense is as good as advertised.

I’m not worried about offense. Luka and Kyrie will make offense easy for them. And Powell will teach Lively how to set screens. We really have no playmakers on the summer league team.

It's nice to be optimistic, but those 2 can't play in Nba in near future.

Are you saying that Luka and Kyrie won’t be playing n the NBA this season?

[Bob8]

I didn’t get to watch the game because the wife and I are in Japan right now but people on twitter are saying that Lively’s and OMax’s defense is as good as advertised.

I’m not worried about offense. Luka and Kyrie will make offense easy for them. And Powell will teach Lively how to set screens. We really have no playmakers on the summer league team.

It's nice to be optimistic, but those 2 can't play in Nba in near future.

Are you saying that Luka and Kyrie won’t be playing n the NBA this season?

Look, I'm sure you know, who I'm talking about and it's obvious you like to make personal comments about me. I'm not here to argue with you, you have showed your profound knowledge many times in last days. It would be nice, if you could leave me alone and find another target for your needs.

[Teffer10]

It's nice to be optimistic, but those 2 can't play in Nba in near future.

Are you saying that Luka and Kyrie won’t be playing n the NBA this season?

Look, I'm sure you know, who I'm talking about and it's obvious you like to make personal comments about me. I'm not here to argue with you, you have showed your profound knowledge many times in last days. It would be nice, if you could leave me alone and find another target for your needs.

Barring a major trade, I think Lively and OMax will get their opportunity but probably on a very short leash.
They would have traded the picks for vets otherwise.

Personally I like the fact that we have 6 rotational guys 24 and under because WHEN Kyrie decides to quiet quit this team, we should at least have a decent young core to build around.

[arkuo]

Cason Wallace and Anthony Black looked NBA ready. I know picking Lively is more of a need and all. But damn, those two got picked two slots before Lively. If Dallaa had a center, they'd probably pick one of those two IMO.

[dirkules_41]

Cason Wallace and Anthony Black looked NBA ready. I know picking Lively is more of a need and all. But damn, those two got picked two slots before Lively. If Dallaa had a center, they'd probably pick one of those two IMO.

Well we did pick Cason ourselves lol but yeah as good as he may be that's the last position we need a strong rookie at.

[Mavrelous]

Cason Wallace and Anthony Black looked NBA ready. I know picking Lively is more of a need and all. But damn, those two got picked two slots before Lively. If Dallaa had a center, they'd probably pick one of those two IMO.

I really wanted Black or Wallace, but only if Kyrie wasn't going to re-sign, with Luka, Kyrie and to lesser extent Green and Hardy, Mavs did the right choice investing in center and defensive wing.
P.S. It's one SL game, but Wallace impressed me more than Black, his game will translate to the NBA very well, Presti didn't eat Bertans 22 mils for nothing.

[BeiBeau]

Are you saying that Luka and Kyrie won’t be playing n the NBA this season?

Look, I'm sure you know, who I'm talking about and it's obvious you like to make personal comments about me. I'm not here to argue with you, you have showed your profound knowledge many times in last days. It would be nice, if you could leave me alone and find another target for your needs.

Barring a major trade, I think Lively and OMax will get their opportunity but probably on a very short leash.
They would have traded the picks for vets otherwise.

Personally I like the fact that we have 6 rotational guys 24 and under because WHEN Kyrie decides to quiet quit this team, we should at least have a decent young core to build around.

I think budgeting 10ish minutes for OMax and 15 ish minutes for Lively would be mutually beneficial. They can stay out of high pressure situations, use their defense and size to help the Mavs win games, and get enough time each night to develop.

[BeiBeau]

Cason Wallace and Anthony Black looked NBA ready. I know picking Lively is more of a need and all. But damn, those two got picked two slots before Lively. If Dallaa had a center, they'd probably pick one of those two IMO.

I mean just no way we were gonna get to 6. And even right now I’d take Lively over Wallace and eat Bertans.

Guards typically have a easier time in SL.

[BliscoSantos]

I'd be happy with them keeping Cason and drafting GG Jackson, Leonard Miller instead of Omax but they're paid big money to know what they're doing,we Just have to trust them...Mavs drafted for their needs since they're guard heavy... we'll see if they made the right call in 2-3 years...Lively has the tools,he Just needs to train hard...Omax impressed them with his measurements.. they're betting on their potential
I'm not a fan of rookie C's(especialy ones with no O game),they need longer to develop than guards...Mavs are beting on future,not now,but Kyrie doesn't fit the future plan...maybe they'll do some upgrades during the season or next offseason
But right now this team has basicaly the same problems as last year

[arkuo]

Mavs always had a history of not getting nice centers. From Shawn Bradley to Eric Dampier. Tyson was the turning point which led to a ring. Getting Lively now gets the fanbase excited. Understandable.

[dirkules_41]

Mavs always had a history of not getting nice centers. From Shawn Bradley to Eric Dampier. Tyson was the turning point which led to a ring. Getting Lively now gets the fanbase excited. Understandable.

Unfortunately Tyson wasn't a turning point but a very temporary highlight/bright spot

[BeiBeau]

I mean, they do their first training with team a few hour before game. Omax hadnt played 5 on 5 since the combine 2 months ago. Lively didnt play at the combine so even longer. Chill. And that okc team is good. If chet were taken 2nd this year and not last, and lively held his points down like this, people would praise it

I'm not talking about bad game, Lively had a decent game taking in account expectations. It's about fundamentals. Those things can't be taught overnight and it shows, where American system lacks a lot. They're great of producing huge amount of players, but they're not giving them enough knowledge how to play the game. 19 years old players from Europe are much better in fundamentals, but problem there is that they just don't have pool of players big enough.

How is possible that player like Lively can set screens? How is possible that his FTs look that ugly? How is possible that he has 0 post moves? He's big and long and has solid athleticism, but he looks like nobody trained him properly and some things are much more easier to learn, if you start doing it as a kid.

Expectations that that raw player can contribute to playoffs team are very unrealistic.

Did you see Wemby set his screens? They make Lively look like a prime KG. He just has to adjust to the NBA.

[daoneandonly]

I was hoping Wallace (or Hendricks) dropped to us, think that guy can cover so many holes for this team. But once the top guys were all taken off the board (minus Whitmore), I think the Mavs made the best call possible since they got a guy they were targeting and dumped Bertans. Though I'm curious how Whitmore does and if the reasons he dropped so low come to fruition.

[arkuo]

I mean, they do their first training with team a few hour before game. Omax hadnt played 5 on 5 since the combine 2 months ago. Lively didnt play at the combine so even longer. Chill. And that okc team is good. If chet were taken 2nd this year and not last, and lively held his points down like this, people would praise it

I'm not talking about bad game, Lively had a decent game taking in account expectations. It's about fundamentals. Those things can't be taught overnight and it shows, where American system lacks a lot. They're great of producing huge amount of players, but they're not giving them enough knowledge how to play the game. 19 years old players from Europe are much better in fundamentals, but problem there is that they just don't have pool of players big enough.

How is possible that player like Lively can set screens? How is possible that his FTs look that ugly? How is possible that he has 0 post moves? He's big and long and has solid athleticism, but he looks like nobody trained him properly and some things are much more easier to learn, if you start doing it as a kid.

Expectations that that raw player can contribute to playoffs team are very unrealistic.

Who says it's a playoff team?

Lower your expectations so you don't get disappointed every year. Think lottery team so when they do make the play-in, it feels like you won a championship.

[Bob8]

I mean, they do their first training with team a few hour before game. Omax hadnt played 5 on 5 since the combine 2 months ago. Lively didnt play at the combine so even longer. Chill. And that okc team is good. If chet were taken 2nd this year and not last, and lively held his points down like this, people would praise it

I'm not talking about bad game, Lively had a decent game taking in account expectations. It's about fundamentals. Those things can't be taught overnight and it shows, where American system lacks a lot. They're great of producing huge amount of players, but they're not giving them enough knowledge how to play the game. 19 years old players from Europe are much better in fundamentals, but problem there is that they just don't have pool of players big enough.

How is possible that player like Lively can set screens? How is possible that his FTs look that ugly? How is possible that he has 0 post moves? He's big and long and has solid athleticism, but he looks like nobody trained him properly and some things are much more easier to learn, if you start doing it as a kid.

Expectations that that raw player can contribute to playoffs team are very unrealistic.

Did you see Wemby set his screens? They make Lively look like a prime KG. He just has to adjust to the NBA.

Wemby was not drafted to set screens.

If you can't shoot outside 2 ft, you better learn to set screens.

[arkuo]

I also wouldn't be opposed to getting PJ Washington on like a 2 year deal (2nd year player option) in a sign and trade for THJ. If talks completely break down in Charlotte, they might just send him out for scraps. But a long term deal hinders future moves from Dallas. Ideally you need him at just 1 year.

Or a more complicated double sign and trade can happen. PJ for CWood. Both sign for 1 year deals just so they'd have teams for the coming season and then both try again next summer. Seems like a win win for all parties. Im sure even the players want that rather than signing for the vet minimum somewhere.

[BeiBeau]

I'm not talking about bad game, Lively had a decent game taking in account expectations. It's about fundamentals. Those things can't be taught overnight and it shows, where American system lacks a lot. They're great of producing huge amount of players, but they're not giving them enough knowledge how to play the game. 19 years old players from Europe are much better in fundamentals, but problem there is that they just don't have pool of players big enough.

How is possible that player like Lively can set screens? How is possible that his FTs look that ugly? How is possible that he has 0 post moves? He's big and long and has solid athleticism, but he looks like nobody trained him properly and some things are much more easier to learn, if you start doing it as a kid.

Expectations that that raw player can contribute to playoffs team are very unrealistic.

Did you see Wemby set his screens? They make Lively look like a prime KG. He just has to adjust to the NBA.

Wemby was not drafted to set screens.

If you can't shoot outside 2 ft, you better learn to set screens.

Yeah but you’re bitching and moaning about fundamentals. And how Europeans do it so much better and yet Wemby sets some god awful screens. So your theory has some holes clearly.

[Dmavs12]

Maybe the FO is planning to watch lively these next 3 games and get a feel of what he can do before they go out and trade for a center? If he looks good, they chance it with him this year. If not, they talk to teams there and burn picks. Cuban Nico and Kidd were all there. Makes sense to see what you have before committing picks.
I understand summer league is not the level of NBA starters, but you might be able to get a good feel of how far that player is from a key place in the rotation.

[BliscoSantos]

If we'd be judging players Just by the Summer league we would have thought Hardy is Just some scrub...he looks really bad without a real PG...he plays a lot better with a competent PG..I think he can be this Mavs team JET