Trade Discussion 22/23

[41Dirk41]

Suns dumped Ayton for 2 straight years and nobody wanted give up assets for him.

I'm confused, when did this happen? PHX has never wanted to dump Ayton. Heck, Ayton tried to leave to IND last offseason and PHX matched it to bring him back.

I do agree that his value is at an all time low but I highly doubt PHX is just gonna give him away, especially when they have a short title window with KD.

Last off season and last TDL for sure, maybe they not dumped him but shipped hard for sure... Monty doesn't like him. Everybody know.

I think they will trade him or CP3 for sure, they need depth.... But CP3 contract is almost untradable so...

I'm ok for gamble on Ayton but for a KP type of trade, no assets please.

[41Dirk41]

Ayton trade value is negative right now, he is a no factor in PO... I don't know why someone should trade assets for him. Just like KP last year.

Saw a funny article today that mentioned a possible return to Dallas for KP. KP has been talking about how the problems he had in Dallas were his fault.

He finally understood that he will never be a #1 option. Too late unfortunately.

[Maverick41]

I think they will trade him or CP3 for sure, they need depth.... But CP3 contract is almost untradable so...

I'm ok for gamble on Ayton but for a KP type of trade, no assets please.

Imo it would not be a bad idea to trade for both if Kyrie doesn't resign. SnT Kyrie for Ayton. THJ for CP3.

CP3 is on his last legs but he can help with development of Hardy, Green and Luka. And most importantly his last season is non-guaranteed. We saw what the Lakers was able to do with Westbrook expiring + 1 pick. Doubt Nico can do the same but it's a decent pivot from a bad situation.

[41Dirk41]

I think they will trade him or CP3 for sure, they need depth.... But CP3 contract is almost untradable so...

I'm ok for gamble on Ayton but for a KP type of trade, no assets please.

Imo it would not be a bad idea to trade for both if Kyrie doesn't resign. SnT Kyrie for Ayton. THJ for CP3.

CP3 is on his last legs but he can help with development of Hardy, Green and Luka. And most importantly his last season is non-guaranteed. We saw what the Lakers was able to do with Westbrook expiring + 1 pick. Doubt Nico can do the same but it's a decent pivot from a bad situation.

I hate CP3, he is a flopper fake touch guy... And he is done. Always injuried.

Lakers maked fantastic moves at the TDL. Great FO.

[Maverick41]

Whatever the case is, we can't let Kyrie walk for nothing if he intends to leave. Getting some starters who have limitations but nevertheless are starting caliber is much better then nothing. If not, imagine explaining to Luka that we let these 3 leave for either nothing or practically nothing in just 2 seasons:

Brunson 24ppg/6 apg
KP 23ppg/8rpg
Kyrie 27ppg/6apg/5rpg

We're supposed to accumulating talent, not losing talent every 3-6 months.

[Mavrelous]

Kyrie/THJ for CP3/Ayton is a must do if Kyrie wants it, CP3 is almost done, but he's a stopgap option for 2nd PG, Green and Hardy will fill for 3rd ball handler, Ayton will be the C, and use the TPMLE/pick to stack up on forwards.
Not the best offseason to have, but better than nothing.

[Archx]

If Suns fail again in the 2nd round i think Ayton will be the first domino to fall. Feels like everything bad happening fans pin on him and FO usually follows since him and coach already had a fight last year.

I firmly believe he could be up for grabs for relatively cheap. Don't even need to trade Kyrie at this point. 10th pick and matching salaries could probably do the trick. Maybe even throw in a future 1st.
Maybe i value him too high but i still stand by my point that Ayton just needs a full reset, completely new team and Luka is better than KD and Booker anyway. If Powell always had positive On/Off with him, then i'm sure he'll know how to work with a proper center.

[Mavrelous]

Back when I played and watched basketball in the early 2000s, they alsways used to say, feed your big and he'll reward you on defense, if Luka made WCS look passable, he'll do wanders with Ayton.

[Maverick41]

Back when I played and watched basketball in the early 2000s, they alsways used to say, feed your big and he'll reward you on defense, if Luka made WCS look passable, he'll do wanders with Ayton.

Yup. It's no wonder that Ayton has been so much more disengaged ever since CP3 fell off and Booker became the main ball handler. Heck, he was looking like an all star this season when Booker was hurt. He needs a real PG with him to succeed and the good news is that we have the best one to feed him.

[Mavrelous]

Back when I played and watched basketball in the early 2000s, they alsways used to say, feed your big and he'll reward you on defense, if Luka made WCS look passable, he'll do wanders with Ayton.

Yup. It's no wonder that Ayton has been so much more disengaged ever since CP3 fell off and Booker became the main ball handler. Heck, he was looking like an all star this season when Booker was hurt. He needs a real PG with him to succeed and the good news is that we have the best one to feed him.

He also had good PO run in 2021, Suns fans were saying they were happy with the pick.

[41Dirk41]

Back when I played and watched basketball in the early 2000s, they alsways used to say, feed your big and he'll reward you on defense, if Luka made WCS look passable, he'll do wanders with Ayton.

This is a good point of view, Ayton is unhappy there.

But the risk is huge, if we lose the gamble we could have a Simmons 2.0 situation...

[41Dirk41]

Back when I played and watched basketball in the early 2000s, they alsways used to say, feed your big and he'll reward you on defense, if Luka made WCS look passable, he'll do wanders with Ayton.

Yup. It's no wonder that Ayton has been so much more disengaged ever since CP3 fell off and Booker became the main ball handler. Heck, he was looking like an all star this season when Booker was hurt. He needs a real PG with him to succeed and the good news is that we have the best one to feed him.

He also had good PO run in 2021, Suns fans were saying they were happy with the pick.

In 2021 when 80% of the NBA all star were injuried...

[Mavrelous]

In 2021 when 80% of the NBA all star were injuried...

Yeah, it was a fake run, but still they beat prime Utah and Kawhi-less Clippers, and they were close to beating Bucks.

[41Dirk41]

In 2021 when 80% of the NBA all star were injuried...

Yeah, it was a fake run, but still they beat prime Utah and Kawhi-less Clippers, and they were close to beating Bucks.

They faced AD-less Fakers, Murray-less Denver and Kawhi-less Clippers... Then faced Bucks and lost 4straight games from 2-0

Fakest run ever

[Teffer10]

Whatever the case is, we can't let Kyrie walk for nothing if he intends to leave. Getting some starters who have limitations but nevertheless are starting caliber is much better then nothing. If not, imagine explaining to Luka that we let these 3 leave for either nothing or practically nothing in just 2 seasons:

Brunson 24ppg/6 apg
KP 23ppg/8rpg
Kyrie 27ppg/6apg/5rpg

We're supposed to accumulating talent, not losing talent every 3-6 months.

I was just thinking the other day that if Kyrie and Wood walk for nothing, we will have lost Brunson/Dinwiddie/DFS/2 FRPs/2 SRPs since our WCF appearance last year and will have absolutely nothing (zero) to show for it in return.

And to think the alternative will be even worse after we sign Kyrie to the worst contract in Mavs history.

I hate to sound doom and gloom, but man Nico would have to be beyond genius to make something positive out of this mess we are currently in.

[Mr B]

Whatever the case is, we can't let Kyrie walk for nothing if he intends to leave. Getting some starters who have limitations but nevertheless are starting caliber is much better then nothing. If not, imagine explaining to Luka that we let these 3 leave for either nothing or practically nothing in just 2 seasons:

Brunson 24ppg/6 apg
KP 23ppg/8rpg
Kyrie 27ppg/6apg/5rpg

We're supposed to accumulating talent, not losing talent every 3-6 months.

I was just thinking the other day that if Kyrie and Wood walk for nothing, we will have lost Brunson/Dinwiddie/DFS/2 FRPs/2 SRPs since our WCF appearance last year and will have absolutely nothing (zero) to show for it in return.

And to think the alternative will be even worse after we sign Kyrie to the worst contract in Mavs history.

I hate to sound doom and gloom, but man Nico would have to be beyond genius to make something positive out of this mess we are currently in.

Even I have to admit things are looking pretty bleek.

[Teffer10]

Whatever the case is, we can't let Kyrie walk for nothing if he intends to leave. Getting some starters who have limitations but nevertheless are starting caliber is much better then nothing. If not, imagine explaining to Luka that we let these 3 leave for either nothing or practically nothing in just 2 seasons:

Brunson 24ppg/6 apg
KP 23ppg/8rpg
Kyrie 27ppg/6apg/5rpg

We're supposed to accumulating talent, not losing talent every 3-6 months.

I was just thinking the other day that if Kyrie and Wood walk for nothing, we will have lost Brunson/Dinwiddie/DFS/2 FRPs/2 SRPs since our WCF appearance last year and will have absolutely nothing (zero) to show for it in return.

And to think the alternative will be even worse after we sign Kyrie to the worst contract in Mavs history.

I hate to sound doom and gloom, but man Nico would have to be beyond genius to make something positive out of this mess we are currently in.

Even I have to admit things are looking pretty bleek.

A S&T of Kyrie for a more appropriate fit is about our only hope.

[Bob8]

I was just thinking the other day that if Kyrie and Wood walk for nothing, we will have lost Brunson/Dinwiddie/DFS/2 FRPs/2 SRPs since our WCF appearance last year and will have absolutely nothing (zero) to show for it in return.

And to think the alternative will be even worse after we sign Kyrie to the worst contract in Mavs history.

I hate to sound doom and gloom, but man Nico would have to be beyond genius to make something positive out of this mess we are currently in.

Even I have to admit things are looking pretty bleek.

A S&T of Kyrie for a more appropriate fit is about our only hope.

Kyrie for Ayton and having some luck in lottery is the best hope. Suns will be pretty desperate, if they lose against Denver and will need someone to win now and replacement for CP3.

[Mavrelous]

Even I have to admit things are looking pretty bleek.

Ayton situation has presented a new opporunity, Kyrie + Wood or THJ for Ayton+CP3, picking at #10, is a good starting point, but if the Mavs lose the pick, it won't be pretty.

[Apz]

Cant they just fo the bloody lottery? There really is no reason for the lotto to be a month after rs is done. Let teams start preparing for next season. Same with all nba teams and such, last vote should be done the day after rs is over since nothing after that is supposed to count