Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread

[Captain_Obvious]

Here is the updated cap situation after the trade.

Mavs can use a combination of these two exceptions to that total for two FA
- Up to 12.9M using the Full MLE (4 years max)
- Up to 4.6M using BAE (2 years max)

Stupid me is still confused

1) The full MLE is officially called the non-taxpayer MLE. The tax line is only roughly 9 millions over our current total salary. Do we now have access to the full MLE or not - even not counting open roster spot cap holds (1,160,544 last I checked)?

2) The difference between tax appron and total salary is roughly 16.4 millions. Yet room is listed at 14.8 millions? How? Shouldn't it be 16.4 minus two open roster spot cap holds (~14.2)? Not even sure why we care about open roster spot cap holds - MLE and BAE would fill them... (just ~1 million off I know)

[Archx]

Here is the updated cap situation after the trade.

Mavs can use a combination of these two exceptions to that total for two FA
- Up to 12.9M using the Full MLE (4 years max)
- Up to 4.6M using BAE (2 years max)

Stupid me is still confused

1) The full MLE is officially called the non-taxpayer MLE. The tax line is only roughly 9 millions over our current total salary. Do we now have access to the full MLE or not - even not counting open roster spot cap holds (1,160,544 last I checked)?

2) The difference between tax appron and total salary is roughly 16.4 millions. Yet room is listed at 14.8 millions? How? Shouldn't it be 16.4 minus two open roster spot cap holds (~14.2)? Not even sure why we care about open roster spot cap holds - MLE and BAE would fill them... (just 0.8 million off I know)

Heh, yeah these cap calculations are so confused that even organization like Suns specifically hired a cap expert to help them out

But the only thing you should be worried is, Mavs have 14.9M room to sign people into MLE. They can't sign Free Agents from the market because they're already ABOVE the normal salary cap line. That's why they have a couple of other options to fill the roster.

The best one is MLE (Below 1st apron). TAX MLE (IF above 1st apron) but that means, NO normal MLE. BAE is available below 1st apron as well but it's much less money and shorter years.

In theory, Mavs could sign DJJ for 9M (Into the MLE), and then sign another Free Agent into BAE but only for the reminder difference to the 1st apron which would in this case be 3.9M.

If you want to sign any more free agents, you have to get rid out existing salaries.

And the number that is confusing you is probably the stretched contract from McGee, which is 2.2M and goes against the cap.

[Captain_Obvious]

Here is the updated cap situation after the trade.

Mavs can use a combination of these two exceptions to that total for two FA
- Up to 12.9M using the Full MLE (4 years max)
- Up to 4.6M using BAE (2 years max)

Stupid me is still confused

1) The full MLE is officially called the non-taxpayer MLE. The tax line is only roughly 9 millions over our current total salary. Do we now have access to the full MLE or not - even not counting open roster spot cap holds (1,160,544 last I checked)?

2) The difference between tax appron and total salary is roughly 16.4 millions. Yet room is listed at 14.8 millions? How? Shouldn't it be 16.4 minus two open roster spot cap holds (~14.2)? Not even sure why we care about open roster spot cap holds - MLE and BAE would fill them... (just 0.8 million off I know)

Heh, yeah these cap calculations are so confused that even organization like Suns specifically hired a cap expert to help them out

But the only thing you should be worried is, Mavs have 14.9M room to sign people into MLE. They can't sign Free Agents from the market because they're already ABOVE the normal salary cap line. That's why they have a couple of other options to fill the roster.

The best one is MLE (Below 1st apron). TAX MLE (IF above 1st apron) but that means, NO normal MLE. BAE is available below 1st apron as well but it's much less money and shorter years.

In theory, Mavs could sign DJJ for 9M (Into the MLE), and then sign another Free Agent into BAE but only for the reminder difference to the 1st apron which would in this case be 3.9M.

If you want to sign any more free agents, you have to get rid out existing salaries.

And the number that is confusing you is probably the stretched contract from McGee, which is 2.2M and goes against the cap.

OR - hear me out:

The excel is not correct. It looks good though.

Assumption: Somewhere on that sheet is a number 750k for a open roster spot cap hold. Because the difference between "Total Projected Salary" and "Tax Appron" is exactly 1,500k off (2*cap holds) from "Room till 1st Tax Apron". I don't think 750k is correct (it is larger) and neither do I think cap holds matter once you fill them. 14.8 millions just seems off to me.

[tleikheen]

Everybody wants high dollared older players like this is how the Mavs win everything going forward BUT the season turned around when a pair of 25 yr olds got traded to the Mavs.
Grimes if kept makes Hardy OR Green available to be included in a trade.
I think the Mavs need a bigger forward like Jalen Smith of Indiana ,6'9"/214 # and 24 yrs old. He avged 10 pts in 17 min. Shooting 59 /42 /69 .He can put the ball in the basket.Grimes 3 and D potential makes Hardy the most likely trade bait for Smith.

[Mr B]

If Stein is reporting it, Nico is 100% chasing Klay. But i don't know how he'll resign DJJ, who i think would be more important than a washed up Klay.

[Stein] League sources tell The Stein Line that the Dallas Mavericks, with some newfound financial flexibility after securing the Tim Hardaway Jr.-to-Detroit trade … are another team intent on exploring the feasibility of signing Thompson once he makes it to free agency.

Maxi + Green are due like 25 million and some change. Green with like 3 years left and Maxi with 2. I'm not sure about the salary cap situation but I thought a sign and trade wouldn't affect our mid level exception b/c were trading contracts for contracts? Maybe someone in the know can explain.

Anyways, I would probably accept Klay Thompson at "34 years" over Maxi and Josh Green. If his experience and shooting can help us win 1 or 2 rings, it's worth the trade. That 3rd year, (depending on his health) he can be moved. You just have to keep the deal to the salary your giving up. Right around 75 mi/3 years. (what draymon is getting at 34 years old)

With the Mavs making the Finals this year and factoring in Kyrie’s age this current version of the Mavs window is now and for the next 2 years. So trading youth for someone that can help you now makes some sense.

[Captain_Obvious]

Furthermore:
I think Realtalk420 is spot on a couple of pages back mentioning we can fit Grimes into an existing TPE. Meaning we might just have a THJ-sized TPE right now ($16,193,183) to get a sign-and-trade done. Hence the Klay rumour.

We still have the TMLE after that - operating over the 1st appron.

[Archx]

Stupid me is still confused

1) The full MLE is officially called the non-taxpayer MLE. The tax line is only roughly 9 millions over our current total salary. Do we now have access to the full MLE or not - even not counting open roster spot cap holds (1,160,544 last I checked)?

2) The difference between tax appron and total salary is roughly 16.4 millions. Yet room is listed at 14.8 millions? How? Shouldn't it be 16.4 minus two open roster spot cap holds (~14.2)? Not even sure why we care about open roster spot cap holds - MLE and BAE would fill them... (just 0.8 million off I know)

Heh, yeah these cap calculations are so confused that even organization like Suns specifically hired a cap expert to help them out

But the only thing you should be worried is, Mavs have 14.9M room to sign people into MLE. They can't sign Free Agents from the market because they're already ABOVE the normal salary cap line. That's why they have a couple of other options to fill the roster.

The best one is MLE (Below 1st apron). TAX MLE (IF above 1st apron) but that means, NO normal MLE. BAE is available below 1st apron as well but it's much less money and shorter years.

In theory, Mavs could sign DJJ for 9M (Into the MLE), and then sign another Free Agent into BAE but only for the reminder difference to the 1st apron which would in this case be 3.9M.

If you want to sign any more free agents, you have to get rid out existing salaries.

And the number that is confusing you is probably the stretched contract from McGee, which is 2.2M and goes against the cap.

OR - hear me out:

The excel is not correct. It looks good though.

Assumption: Somewhere on that sheet is a number 750k for a open roster spot cap hold. Because the difference between "Total Projected Salary" and "Tax Appron" is exactly 1,500k off (2*cap holds) from "Room till 1st Tax Apron". I don't think 750k is correct (it is larger) and neither do I think cap holds matter once you fill them. 14.8 millions just seems off to me.

Scroll a bit down and u'll see 1st Apron summary, 2nd, etc... The number is exactly the same, i just rounded up to 14.9M

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2024

It's a bit confusing because i think some of the basic numbers don't take into acount trade kickers and other stuff that is in these contracts.. When i calculate myself i get to 15.1M, so i'm 200k over the 14.9M, but like i said, there's probably a calculation that i'm missing aswell. But 14.9M is quite correct. If it's not they'll probably fix it soon enough.

TLDR; Mavs have around 15M remaining until 1st apron for Free Agents.

[Captain_Obvious]

Heh, yeah these cap calculations are so confused that even organization like Suns specifically hired a cap expert to help them out

But the only thing you should be worried is, Mavs have 14.9M room to sign people into MLE. They can't sign Free Agents from the market because they're already ABOVE the normal salary cap line. That's why they have a couple of other options to fill the roster.

The best one is MLE (Below 1st apron). TAX MLE (IF above 1st apron) but that means, NO normal MLE. BAE is available below 1st apron as well but it's much less money and shorter years.

In theory, Mavs could sign DJJ for 9M (Into the MLE), and then sign another Free Agent into BAE but only for the reminder difference to the 1st apron which would in this case be 3.9M.

If you want to sign any more free agents, you have to get rid out existing salaries.

And the number that is confusing you is probably the stretched contract from McGee, which is 2.2M and goes against the cap.

OR - hear me out:

The excel is not correct. It looks good though.

Assumption: Somewhere on that sheet is a number 750k for a open roster spot cap hold. Because the difference between "Total Projected Salary" and "Tax Appron" is exactly 1,500k off (2*cap holds) from "Room till 1st Tax Apron". I don't think 750k is correct (it is larger) and neither do I think cap holds matter once you fill them. 14.8 millions just seems off to me.

Scroll a bit down and u'll see 1st Apron summary, 2nd, etc... The number is exactly the same, i just rounded up to 14.9M

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2024

It's a bit confusing because i think some of the basic numbers don't take into acount trade kickers and other stuff that is in these contracts.. When i calculate myself i get to 15.1M, so i'm 200k over the 14.9M, but like i said, there's probably a calculation that i'm missing aswell. But 14.9M is quite correct. If it's not they'll probably fix it soon enough.

TLDR; Mavs have around 15M remaining until 1st apron for Free Agents.

ah crap I found it: Ky has 1M likely incentive, PJ 500k. Thats where 1.5M comes from.

edit: Spoke too soon - Ky has 1M in likely and another 1M in unlikely bonus. I give up.

[HMFFL]

The Hawks just acquired Larry Nance Jr from New Orleans.

He would be good for the Mavs and his paid $11m like Maxi Kleber. Make a trade happen

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[Captain_Obvious]

Both Dudley and DJJ signing with Klutch

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[Dmavs12]

Both Dudley and DJJ signing with Klutch

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Is there anyone left in the organization that has beef with Rich Paul?

[Mr B]

Both Dudley and DJJ signing with Klutch

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Is there anyone left in the organization that has beef with Rich Paul?

I think Cuban was the last one.

[Maverick41]

Another guy to pay attention to is Miles McBride. Knicks may have to include him in the Bridges trade to avoid getting hardcapped. If he's available, he would be great here. Tough as nails, great defender, and very solid shooter. Also on a very good salary. Maybe a way to get him along with CamJo or DFS . Yes, yes I know he's another Knicks player but good young players on good salaries helps the team now AND in the future.

[Mavrelous]

Both Dudley and DJJ signing with Klutch

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Is there anyone left in the organization that has beef with Rich Paul?

I think Cuban was the last one.

Yeah, Nico being a corporate guy who knows how to keep all lines of communication open is going to be good change of scenery from hot headed and emotional Cuban.

[Mavrelous]

Another guy to pay attention to is Miles McBride. Knicks may have to include him in the Bridges trade to avoid getting hardcapped. If he's available, he would be great here. Tough as nails, great defender, and very solid shooter. Also on a very good salary. Maybe a way to get him along with CamJo or DFS . Yes, yes I know he's another Knicks player but good young players on good salaries helps the team now AND in the future.

He'd be a good get, but I think Knick will S&T Achiwua if they need the salary matching.

[kanofwindHK]

Stein is reporting that there is mutual interest with KCP and DAL but DEN may be unwilling to do a SnT with us because we're a WC rival.

If we can make that work somehow (yes i know its hard), he's the perfect fit here. Very good POA defender and can shoot the 3 at a high clip. He's what I hoped Green could be.

Would it be possible for a team with cap space to sign KCP and then trade him immediately to Dallas? Team like Detroit probably could sign KCP but could trade him for say, Green + Powell + Hardy?

Cannot

[BeiBeau]

If,

1. Dallas stashes Ajinca
2. Who ever they sign with the MLE gives them a $627,000 discount on year 1.
3. Dallas cuts AJ Lawson.

Then Dallas would have access to the Full BAE.

[Darren]

If DJJ asking price is going crazy, get GP2 instead.

[Archx]

This is getting scary now. Looks like Mavs getting close to signing Klay. But then it would be incredibly difficult to resign DJJ. I don't like this.

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[Mavrelous]

This is getting scary now. Looks like Mavs getting close to signing Klay. But then it would be incredibly difficult to resign DJJ. I don't like this.

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Not buying it...
We'll know in 36 hours.
Losing DJJ is a real possibility, switching to Klutch means he's looking for the biggest payday and Mavs are limited to MLE.