Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[41Dirk41]

When the conversation of trades and who should be starting for the Mavs should be how they are performing on the court........
Here are the Offensive/Defensive ratings of each player up to now.
Dwight Powell off. 157.6/def 115.5 , plus 42.1
Dereck Lively off. 134.5/def 112.5 , plus 22
Dante Exum off. 132/def 116.9 ,plus 15.1
Luka Doncic off. 121.2/def 113.4 plus 7.8
Kyrie Irving off. 122.2/def 115.3 plus 6.9
Derek Jones Jr off 117.4/def 115.3 plus 2.1
Josh Green off 113.9/def 117.2 minus 4.7
Grant Williams off 111.6/def 118.2 minus 6.6
Tim Hardaway off 112.5/def 119.4 minus 6.9
Jaden Hardy off 100.8/def 117.9 minus 17.1
As a team Mavs off 119/def 116.8 plus 2.1

Only 5 players add pts to the team offense .....DPowell ,DLively,DExum,Luka,& Kyrie

With trade scenarios posted here who do you think you want to keep and who do you think we should trade NOW if the team could.

Bball ref doesn't have accurate ORTG and DRTG stats. NBA.com is way more accurate for that specific info. Just to think Dwight Powell would have 43 netrtg is absurd He's at +4.6 which is actually not that bad for him.

But you still can't look at those and say "X player adds Y amount of points" to the team just because of that.

What a pathetic basketball knowledge Archx, those stats are pretty clear and said that our best offensive player is Dwight Powell and Luka is our second best defensive player.

I have LP + big TV so i can just conferm that.

[41Dirk41]

Not paying that for like 4 months rental.

Im no kuzma fan as all know, but i wonder if there is a realistic deal to land avdija and kuzma from wizards. Avdija is obviously the guy i would want. Really feels like wizards need to tear their team down, way overdue.

Dallas is the betting favourite apparently for Siakams likely next team (+200) his agent may be trying to get him to his preferred destination which is why those reports of him not wanting to re-sign anywhere like Atlanta come out when we're close to a deal. He has family in Texas which which is worth noting, plus obviously a good team. I think its likely he wants to be in Dallas.

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I think Siakim is looking for a team that is willing to pay him. Any team that guarantees to offer him a deal will likely have an advantage in a trade for him. I don’t think he will just be a rental if he’s traded to Dallas. Siakim would be a perfect fit next to Lively in the front court.

Liz would be a great fit too. I read yesterday though that Washington is looking for multiple 1st round picks for him. If that’s true I wouldn’t pay that for Kuzma.

Agree.

With an agreement with Paskal you have easy path for the trade, but i'm afraid to see another KP situation... Siakam can't average 30+7+7 here, he has to understand his role to be 2nd/3rd man.

[Mr B]

My concern with Siakam is that he will not be used even close to his full potential in a Luka and Kyrie offense . Just like all big 3s, there's always 1 guy that takes a big backseat on the scoring pecking order. See Bosh, Love, KG, etc. for reference.

Is Siakam gonna be okay with that? He seems to be completely focused on getting his max which may hinder his ability to accept a lesser role. And even if he is, is he worth a max (potentially supermax) contract in that lesser role? I'm not so sure.

He definitely would have to be ok with a Shawn Marion type of role. He’s going to play the 4 and will be the teams best defender. In offense he’s going to be the 3rd-4th option. On occasion he may be the 2nd option. He’s going to have to get his points the dirty way, scoring off of put backs, dunks, and lobs.

[Mavrelous]

tleikheen wrote:
When the conversation of trades and who should be starting for the Mavs should be how they are performing on the court........
Here are the Offensive/Defensive ratings of each player up to now.
Dwight Powell off. 157.6/def 115.5 , plus 42.1
Dereck Lively off. 134.5/def 112.5 , plus 22
Dante Exum off. 132/def 116.9 ,plus 15.1
Luka Doncic off. 121.2/def 113.4 plus 7.8
Kyrie Irving off. 122.2/def 115.3 plus 6.9
Derek Jones Jr off 117.4/def 115.3 plus 2.1
Josh Green off 113.9/def 117.2 minus 4.7
Grant Williams off 111.6/def 118.2 minus 6.6
Tim Hardaway off 112.5/def 119.4 minus 6.9
Jaden Hardy off 100.8/def 117.9 minus 17.1
As a team Mavs off 119/def 116.8 plus 2.1

Only 5 players add pts to the team offense .....DPowell ,DLively,DExum,Luka,& Kyrie

With trade scenarios posted here who do you think you want to keep and who do you think we should trade NOW if the team could.


Bball ref doesn't have accurate ORTG and DRTG stats. NBA.com is way more accurate for that specific info. Just to think Dwight Powell would have 43 netrtg is absurd He's at +4.6 which is actually not that bad for him.

But you still can't look at those and say "X player adds Y amount of points" to the team just because of that.

If you watch League pass and also see these stats they correlate quite a bit ......... Grant Wms ,Jaden Hardy,THJ dont look good defensively and most posts are referencing to that.
We see who is playing well and stats are saying the same thing .

I fell for it before, BBRef uses a formula based on FG% and scoring for ORtg, instead of regular pts scored per 100 possesion while on court.
I have no idea why they do that, it's confusing, for example, Lively has much much higer on/off than Powell (+8.5 vs +2.7), while their stats make it look the opposite.

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[Pelly24]

My concern with Siakam is that he will not be used even close to his full potential in a Luka and Kyrie offense . Just like all big 3s, there's always 1 guy that takes a big backseat on the scoring pecking order. See Bosh, Love, KG, etc. for reference.

Is Siakam gonna be okay with that? He seems to be completely focused on getting his max which may hinder his ability to accept a lesser role. And even if he is, is he worth a max (potentially supermax) contract in that lesser role? I'm not so sure.

TBH, if they don't have to get rid of lively and they can keep DJJ, I'm good with it. And they don't need him to be spectacular or anything. I think as a scorer he is best as a 3rd option anyway. I think he's kind of Kyrie insurance in case he gets suspended or has a little sprain or something, or when Luka needs to take some games off he can help Kyrie, he can step up and get 30 sometimes. Idk if he's a good defender but he has some size and athleticism.

sometimes I feel like Kyrie and Luka are the best rebounders on this team. Not enough physicality.

[BliscoSantos]

Seems like everytime Mavs play Memphis Bane is on a mission to destroy them ,and Josh Green...Green looked like a deer in the headlights,no confidence,head down low , totaly lost in space...Bane with his T-rex arms(like Powell) scored 32 and grabed 9 rebounds!!

[StoneIsland]

If Mavs don’t trade for another PF, with Kidd as head coach, I am pretty sure they’ll fell out of the play in just like the last year.

[41Dirk41]

We need at least 2 bigs. Any big in the NBA bench can make a huge step for us.

[HMFFL]

If Mavs don’t trade for another PF, with Kidd as head coach, I am pretty sure they’ll fell out of the play in just like the last year.

The frontcourt must be addressed. Management addressed it this past off season by adding Lively, Grant Williams, and others, but the frontcourt needs a legit superstar.

Lula, Kyrie, and who?

I believe we have limited options, unless Anthony Davis becomes available, so we'll need to search for lesser options that aren't as talented.

Is Brooklyn willing to trade Nicolas Claxton, Chicago's Nikola Vucevic, Portland's Jerami Grant? I personally don't see many options to add depth to our frontcourt.

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[HMFFL]

Deni Avdija interest me if Washington is willing tontesde him.

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[daoneandonly]

Deni Avdija interest me if Washington is willing tontesde him.

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Its interesting, I live in the DC area so see a lot of him. The FO loves him, but they also think highly of couliby, who plays the SF spot as well. But dont think we have anythign to offer. I know he was drafted much higher than Green, but man the 2020 draft is so depressing. Bane and Maxey are 8 levels above Josh, McDaniels is far superior, and IQ just netted OG. And there's Josh, got his guaranteed bag and sits on his hands

[tleikheen]

I think Avidja would work out nicely in a Kyrie or Exum led offense but not look good in a catch and shoot offense with Luka. Avidja has too much skills to stand around on the 3 pt line waiting for his turn to shoot.
Luka is willing to share the ball with both Kyrie and to a lesser extent with Exum ,so theres hope that the Mavs transistion out of the old catch and shoot slow paced team prior to Kyrie and Exum.
Avidja can bring the ball up and pass the ball and a 4some of Luka,Kyrie,Exum would be a fast paced team BUT

Wizards will give up Kuzma before Avidja .....

[daoneandonly]

I do think Deni would be a great target for Dallas. Gives us more size, can rebound and defend, while not being an offensive liability. Something like

Josh Green and Jaden Hardy for Deni Avdija and filler

That filler being maybe someone like Mike Muscala who gives us another big, or Anthony Gill who we can probably swing to a third team for a better fitting big, like Robin Lopez.

[joesha1698]

I do think Deni would be a great target for Dallas. Gives us more size, can rebound and defend, while not being an offensive liability. Something like

Josh Green and Jaden Hardy for Deni Avdija and filler

That filler being maybe someone like Mike Muscala who gives us another big, or Anthony Gill who we can probably swing to a third team for a better fitting big, like Robin Lopez.

He's a skilled offensive player. I'm not sure if he makes our defense better - not the fastest guy ever. A friendly contract compared to someone like Kuzma but Deni really plays the SF. I think our young guys could fetch a better overall player that meets our needs on both ends.

[daoneandonly]

I do think Deni would be a great target for Dallas. Gives us more size, can rebound and defend, while not being an offensive liability. Something like

Josh Green and Jaden Hardy for Deni Avdija and filler

That filler being maybe someone like Mike Muscala who gives us another big, or Anthony Gill who we can probably swing to a third team for a better fitting big, like Robin Lopez.

He's a skilled offensive player. I'm not sure if he makes our defense better - not the fastest guy ever. A friendly contract compared to someone like Kuzma but Deni really plays the SF. I think our young guys could fetch a better overall player that meets our needs on both ends.

He's actually a darn good defender. Living in the DC area i watch Wiz games all the team, he's got great defensive instincts and really bodies his man.

[ejs78]

I do think Deni would be a great target for Dallas. Gives us more size, can rebound and defend, while not being an offensive liability. Something like

Josh Green and Jaden Hardy for Deni Avdija and filler

That filler being maybe someone like Mike Muscala who gives us another big, or Anthony Gill who we can probably swing to a third team for a better fitting big, like Robin Lopez.

He's a skilled offensive player. I'm not sure if he makes our defense better - not the fastest guy ever. A friendly contract compared to someone like Kuzma but Deni really plays the SF. I think our young guys could fetch a better overall player that meets our needs on both ends.

He's actually a darn good defender. Living in the DC area i watch Wiz games all the team, he's got great defensive instincts and really bodies his man.

From what I've seen he can handle the ball pretty well too. Is that a correct assumption as well?

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[daoneandonly]

He's a skilled offensive player. I'm not sure if he makes our defense better - not the fastest guy ever. A friendly contract compared to someone like Kuzma but Deni really plays the SF. I think our young guys could fetch a better overall player that meets our needs on both ends.

He's actually a darn good defender. Living in the DC area i watch Wiz games all the team, he's got great defensive instincts and really bodies his man.

From what I've seen he can handle the ball pretty well too. Is that a correct assumption as well?

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Yes indeed, he's kind of a jack of all trades, master of none. Doesnt really have any glaring holes or stretches of games where he completely disappears. But that likely means we wouldnt be able to get him for Green.

[daoneandonly]

WOuld anyone do Hardaway/Holmes for Wiggins if Golden State were willing?

It takes away their ability to make a splash with expirings in the offseason for a bigger fish, but I think it makes them better this year. Wiggins and DJJ can guard the opposing teams 2 best players, and Luka/Kyrie can man the offense.

Luka/Exum
Irving/Curry/Hardy
DJJ/Green
Wiggins/Grant Will/Maxi
Lively/Powell

Dallas can take CoJo or some min filler as needed, but still has a severe need for a backup big.

The Hardway name has some prestige and cache in Golden State, so maybe they may be interested. Save a boatload of $ too.

[ejs78]

WOuld anyone do Hardaway/Holmes for Wiggins if Golden State were willing?

It takes away their ability to make a splash with expirings in the offseason for a bigger fish, but I think it makes them better this year. Wiggins and DJJ can guard the opposing teams 2 best players, and Luka/Kyrie can man the offense.

Luka/Exum
Irving/Curry/Hardy
DJJ/Green
Wiggins/Grant Will/Maxi
Lively/Powell

Dallas can take CoJo or some min filler as needed, but still has a severe need for a backup big.

The Hardway name has some prestige and cache in Golden State, so maybe they may be interested. Save a boatload of $ too.

I would pass.

Wasn't the rumor his friend slept with his GF? Guy just feels mentally cooked.

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