Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[Mr B]

Been reading a lot of buzz on Kennard or Ntilikina being locked in to New York at 8. That means we have a very real shot at Isaac, Smith, or Monk... Preferred in that order IMHO

Regardless though it's a great spot to be in if those 3 guys are what we get to choose from

Yes, though I'm not sure Issac may be there. Just conjecture at this point, but there are rumors he won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading some to believe one of those teams made him a promise.

Yea I read that about Isaac. Kennard is a good player but NY would be crazy to pick him over Ntilikina. I have a feeling the Mavs all of the PG's will be gone and the Mavs will have to choose from Monk, Collins, and Kennard.

[Devassa]

Yes, though I'm not sure Issac may be there. Just conjecture at this point, but there are rumors he won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading some to believe one of those teams made him a promise.

I guess Phoenix makes sense for him, though I'm not sure he is actually better than any of the original projected top 4 (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum).

I think his versatility puts him ahead of Tatum in my book, and I can even see an argument with jackson given his shooting deficiencies. I do think the top 3 will be fultz-ball-jackson, but if the next ones are issac-fox-tatum, that puts us in a great position if NYK are zeroing in on Frank, we'd just have to hope Minny does not draft another PG.

1. Fultz 2. Ball 3. Jackson 4. Isaac 5. Fox 6. Smith 7. Tatum 8. Ntilikina

Would be the worst case scenario for Dallas IMO. We likely end up with Monk and end up having to roll the dice on getting a PG in free agency... Unless they are near certain to get Holiday, I don't like gambling on free agents this summer.. Especially with our awful front office when it comes to that aspect

[daoneandonly]

I guess Phoenix makes sense for him, though I'm not sure he is actually better than any of the original projected top 4 (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum).

I think his versatility puts him ahead of Tatum in my book, and I can even see an argument with jackson given his shooting deficiencies. I do think the top 3 will be fultz-ball-jackson, but if the next ones are issac-fox-tatum, that puts us in a great position if NYK are zeroing in on Frank, we'd just have to hope Minny does not draft another PG.

1. Fultz 2. Ball 3. Jackson 4. Isaac 5. Fox 6. Smith 7. Tatum 8. Ntilikina

Would be the worst case scenario for Dallas IMO. We likely end up with Monk and end up having to roll the dice on getting a PG in free agency... Unless they are near certain to get Holiday, I don't like gambling on free agents this summer.. Especially with our awful front office when it comes to that aspect

And our FO sucks at drafting too, so essentially the 2 biggest aspects drafting and FA we have duds running the show, so why is Donnie still here? is it because he found Dirk 20 years ago? Don't get me wrong, wouldn't change that one move for anything, but it seems Nelson's usefulness has long expired.

[daoneandonly]

Been reading a lot of buzz on Kennard or Ntilikina being locked in to New York at 8. That means we have a very real shot at Isaac, Smith, or Monk... Preferred in that order IMHO

Regardless though it's a great spot to be in if those 3 guys are what we get to choose from

Yes, though I'm not sure Issac may be there. Just conjecture at this point, but there are rumors he won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading some to believe one of those teams made him a promise.

Yea I read that about Isaac. Kennard is a good player but NY would be crazy to pick him over Ntilikina. I have a feeling the Mavs all of the PG's will be gone and the Mavs will have to choose from Monk, Collins, and Kennard.

That would hurt, I'm not sold at all on Monk given his size and build, and Kennard can't play a lick of D, so you'd almost have to trade the pick at that point.

[Mr B]

Yes, though I'm not sure Issac may be there. Just conjecture at this point, but there are rumors he won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading some to believe one of those teams made him a promise.

Yea I read that about Isaac. Kennard is a good player but NY would be crazy to pick him over Ntilikina. I have a feeling the Mavs all of the PG's will be gone and the Mavs will have to choose from Monk, Collins, and Kennard.

That would hurt, I'm not sold at all on Monk given his size and build, and Kennard can't play a lick of D, so you'd almost have to trade the pick at that point.

I'd probably pick Collins. Monk is starting to intrigue me though. He could end up being a Jason Terry type SG. Three things Monk can do really well is run the P&R, throw the lob, and shoot. He's 6'3" so he's the same height at Terry (maybe slightly taller). Also same height as DSJ. His defense needs work so the Mavs will need to find a big defensive minded, pass first PG if the are going to start Monk.

[Mr B]

I think his versatility puts him ahead of Tatum in my book, and I can even see an argument with jackson given his shooting deficiencies. I do think the top 3 will be fultz-ball-jackson, but if the next ones are issac-fox-tatum, that puts us in a great position if NYK are zeroing in on Frank, we'd just have to hope Minny does not draft another PG.

1. Fultz 2. Ball 3. Jackson 4. Isaac 5. Fox 6. Smith 7. Tatum 8. Ntilikina

Would be the worst case scenario for Dallas IMO. We likely end up with Monk and end up having to roll the dice on getting a PG in free agency... Unless they are near certain to get Holiday, I don't like gambling on free agents this summer.. Especially with our awful front office when it comes to that aspect

And our FO sucks at drafting too, so essentially the 2 biggest aspects drafting and FA we have duds running the show, so why is Donnie still here? is it because he found Dirk 20 years ago? Don't get me wrong, wouldn't change that one move for anything, but it seems Nelson's usefulness has long expired.

Donnie is also being given credit for finding the Greek Freak even though Cuban wouldn't let him draft him. I agree though, time for Donnie to get his head out of his ass and draft some real talent.

[Devassa]

Yes, though I'm not sure Issac may be there. Just conjecture at this point, but there are rumors he won't work out for any team outside the top 4, leading some to believe one of those teams made him a promise.

Yea I read that about Isaac. Kennard is a good player but NY would be crazy to pick him over Ntilikina. I have a feeling the Mavs all of the PG's will be gone and the Mavs will have to choose from Monk, Collins, and Kennard.

That would hurt, I'm not sold at all on Monk given his size and build, and Kennard can't play a lick of D, so you'd almost have to trade the pick at that point.

Maybe I'm just higher on Monk than most, but I think he would be really good here. He's not my favorite player in the draft, but I definitely wouldn't hate the pick..

As far as drafting goes, I wouldn't say he's done terrible, but far from great. Harris, Howard, Daniels, Crowder, Anderson, and of course Dirk were all good/great picks... But yeah Larkin, DoJo, and Ager were all garbage.

Free agency has been absolutely awful though. When your premiere free agent signing over the last 15 years is Wesley freakin Matthews you have a problem.

I do agree completely though, Nellie needs to get lost.

[Roddy B for 3]

I like Laurri at #9

[Devassa]

I like Laurri at #9

Lauri is too much of a project, to put it nicely... Plus all reports are that Dallas isn't all that interested, and Minny wants him

[Roddy B for 3]

I like Laurri at #9

Lauri is too much of a project, to put it nicely... Plus all reports are that Dallas isn't all that interested, and Minny wants him

My excitement for who the Mavs would draft goes like this
Fultz
Jackson
Smith Jr. - Fox - Ball - Issac - Tatum
Nitkinla - Markannen - Collins
Monk - O.G.
Mitchell - Patton - Allen - Giles

So, I have Laurri as my #9 most exciting (to the Mavs) prospect, being as we hold the #9 pick I would probably be happy with him.
I think he can be a positive offensive player from preseason on... I think long-term he can be a PF version off Reggie Miller..

Why can't Dallas draft a project? The French PG is a project and the MBT loves him.. We're not in a position to win, really why can't we draft a project?

I think Issac will 50/50 fall to 7, in which case that looks like a slam dunk for Minny.
It could easily go:
Fultz
Jackson
Ball
Fox
Smith Jr.
Tatum
Issac
Nikitla
Laurri

[Devassa]

I like Laurri at #9

Lauri is too much of a project, to put it nicely... Plus all reports are that Dallas isn't all that interested, and Minny wants him

My excitement for who the Mavs would draft goes like this
Fultz
Jackson
Smith Jr. - Fox - Ball - Issac - Tatum
Nitkinla - Markannen - Collins
Monk - O.G.
Mitchell - Patton - Allen - Giles

So, I have Laurri as my #9 most exciting (to the Mavs) prospect, being as we hold the #9 pick I would probably be happy with him.
I think he can be a positive offensive player from preseason on... I think long-term he can be a PF version off Reggie Miller..

Why can't Dallas draft a project? The French PG is a project and the MBT loves him.. We're not in a position to win, really why can't we draft a project?

Because we can't afford to gamble on a project. We need to draft the potential face of the franchise in 5 years. Could Markkanen turn into an all star caliber player? Sure. But I'd say the odds are heavily favoring him becoming another Turkoglu, Van Horn, or Frye instead of Porzingis/Dirk.

If we had actual decent players to build around aside from whoever we end up picking (like Minnesota does), then gambling on Markkanen makes sense... but we aren't even close to that point, so we have to draft BPA... I don't have him in the top 10 in that category

[Roddy B for 3]

Which player potentially available at #9 could be a "franchise player"?

I've always uderstood the term project to mean someone you have to mold over time. So, that would rule out Nitkinla.. are you looking at Monk, or Collins to be the face of the franchise? I would like Smith Jr and Fox over Markannen as a posted earlier.. who would you have over Markannen that I don't?

[Devassa]

Which player potentially available at #9 could be a "franchise player"?

I've always uderstood the term project to mean someone you have to mold over time. So, that would rule out Nitkinla.. are you looking at Monk, or Collins to be the face of the franchise? I would like Smith Jr and Fox over Markannen as a posted earlier.. who would you have over Markannen that I don't?

Monk, Ntilikina, Mitchell all above Markkanen.

I believe any/all 3 of those guys have more star potential than Lauri.

[Mr B]

Honestly at 9 we're not likely to find a "face of the franchise" caliber player. Even though it's a deeper draft than normal finding a franchise player at 9 would be like finding a unicorn. Dirk was a unicorn. They should be able to find an all star caliber player though.

I was hearing yesterday that the Mavs view this as a 10 player draft. I'd say Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Smith, Isaac, and Monk are 1-9. Who's 10 though?

For what it's worth I'd pick Monk over Markkanen

[daoneandonly]

I think this draft is 7 deep, meaning potential all star level talent:

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Issac
Fox
Tatum
Smith Jr.

I know Mavs have Nkinnia and Monk in their top 10 declaration, but good question on who #10 is. i'd guess it's between Markannan or Collins. More out there would be Kennard or Mitchell, but if they view Giles as healthier than most, clearly he's top 10.

[Roddy B for 3]

Which player potentially available at #9 could be a "franchise player"?

I've always uderstood the term project to mean someone you have to mold over time. So, that would rule out Nitkinla.. are you looking at Monk, or Collins to be the face of the franchise? I would like Smith Jr and Fox over Markannen as a posted earlier.. who would you have over Markannen that I don't?

Monk, Ntilikina, Mitchell all above Markkanen.

I believe any/all 3 of those guys have more star potential than Lauri.

So, you would be ok with excitement over Markannen if we were picking at say, #11-#15 area?

But, at #9 you don't want to talk about him?

[Devassa]

Which player potentially available at #9 could be a "franchise player"?

I've always uderstood the term project to mean someone you have to mold over time. So, that would rule out Nitkinla.. are you looking at Monk, or Collins to be the face of the franchise? I would like Smith Jr and Fox over Markannen as a posted earlier.. who would you have over Markannen that I don't?

Monk, Ntilikina, Mitchell all above Markkanen.

I believe any/all 3 of those guys have more star potential than Lauri.

So, you would be ok with excitement over Markannen if we were picking at say, #11-#15 area?

But, at #9 you don't want to talk about him?

Exactly. Not saying he's a bad player or a bad fit, cause he isn't.. I just think there are always going to be better options at 9.

Maybe if we somehow got Detroits #12 pick, he would be the guy I would want the most at that spot.. even above Collins, like so many posters on this board seem to be high on

[Mr B]

The more I listen to the breakdown on all of the prospects I'm really starting to come around on Monk. His game really does fit the Mavs. He's also as explosive as DSJ. His body isn't as NBA ready as DSJ but the skill set is similar. Also doesn't have the injury history that DSJ does. Now if they draft Monk they will definitely have to trade Curry. With Curry's contract situation they may have to trade Curry either way. Most will say that Monk could never play PG but is that really the case? I mean that team also had Fox so Monk never had to play the point but that doesn't mean he can't do it. Worst case scenario he'd be a very explosive SG (although slightly undersized).

[Texas Chuck]

The more I listen to the breakdown on all of the prospects I'm really starting to come around on Monk. His game really does fit the Mavs. He's also as explosive as DSJ. His body isn't as NBA ready as DSJ but the skill set is similar. Also doesn't have the injury history that DSJ does. Now if they draft Monk they will definitely have to trade Curry. With Curry's contract situation they may have to trade Curry either way. Most will say that Monk could never play PG but is that really the case? I mean that team also had Fox so Monk never had to play the point but that doesn't mean he can't do it. Worst case scenario he'd be a very explosive SG (although slightly undersized).

If you draft Monk you hope he's Jason Terry 2.0. And if he is then the Mavs should be elated at the return for their pick. He's a scoring combo guard and that's more than fine.

[Teffer10]

The more I listen to the breakdown on all of the prospects I'm really starting to come around on Monk. His game really does fit the Mavs. He's also as explosive as DSJ. His body isn't as NBA ready as DSJ but the skill set is similar. Also doesn't have the injury history that DSJ does. Now if they draft Monk they will definitely have to trade Curry. With Curry's contract situation they may have to trade Curry either way. Most will say that Monk could never play PG but is that really the case? I mean that team also had Fox so Monk never had to play the point but that doesn't mean he can't do it. Worst case scenario he'd be a very explosive SG (although slightly undersized).

If you draft Monk you hope he's Jason Terry 2.0. And if he is then the Mavs should be elated at the return for their pick. He's a scoring combo guard and that's more than fine.

For some reason I think of JR Smith watching Monk.
Is that a fair comparison?