Trade Discussion 22/23

41Dirk41 · Post #8841 » by **41Dirk41** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:52 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Archx wrote:I don't know how real this is but... Bertans+Bullock for Collins+15th pick. That's without Mavs having to give up the 10th. I don't believe it because Hawks really want that pick from Mavs. Unless they're so incredibly desperate to get rid of Collins.

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Pure speculation, 0 chance Hawks do it.

Unfortunately yes... Anyway the market around Collins is near 0.

Post #8842 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:05 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Unfortunately yes... Anyway the market around Collins is near 0.

They are looking to salary dump him for sure, but #15, especially in this draft is way too much, Collins will fetch an expiring w/o paying.

daoneandonly · Post #8843 » by **daoneandonly** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:27 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:WHat about something like this....

Miami gets a S&T Kyrie Irving
Chicago gets Lowry, Oladipo, Future Mia first, Josh Green
Dallas gets Zach Lavine

Josh + Kyrie for Zach is too much...

Yea think ur right, just trying to find possible ways to improve this mess CUban/Nico created

arkuo · Post #8844 » by **arkuo** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:35 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:Unfortunately yes... Anyway the market around Collins is near 0.

They are looking to salary dump him for sure, but #15, especially in this draft is way too much, Collins will fetch an expiring w/o paying.

I think it's the owner's son who runs the show in ATL now and seems inexperienced. Same guy who thought of sending a boat load of picks for Murray. So let's hope he commits another mistake again.

41Dirk41 · Post #8845 » by **41Dirk41** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:48 pm

arkuo wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:Unfortunately yes... Anyway the market around Collins is near 0.

They are looking to salary dump him for sure, but #15, especially in this draft is way too much, Collins will fetch an expiring w/o paying.

I think it's the owner's son who runs the show in ATL now and seems inexperienced. Same guy who thought of sending a boat load of picks for Murray. So let's hope he commits another mistake again.

Our GM is inexperienced too and he was fooled by freakin Washington wizards a years ago... It could be a good negotiation :lol:

Post #8846 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:00 pm

ATL is great at drafting, bad at trading (Murray extreme overpay) and handing out contracts (Collins and Bogi extension), Trae, Collins, JJ, AJG and OO are all great picks, their only miss was Cam Reddish, I think they realize that, and will roll the dice with the draft.

dirkforpres · Post #8847 » by **dirkforpres** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:24 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:WHat about something like this....

Miami gets a S&T Kyrie Irving
Chicago gets Lowry, Oladipo, Future Mia first, Josh Green
Dallas gets Zach Lavine

Josh + Kyrie for Zach is too much...

Yea think ur right, just trying to find possible ways to improve this mess CUban/Nico created

It honestly shouldnt be this hard. 5 straight years of Dwight Powell as our best C is a travesty, and as much as I love Tyson Chandler, the fact that he is far and away the best C in franchise history despite only playing 2 seasons here is an embarrassment and a reflection of the abysmal job they have done to give Dirk and Luka the help they deserve.

daoneandonly · Post #8848 » by **daoneandonly** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:30 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Josh + Kyrie for Zach is too much...

Yea think ur right, just trying to find possible ways to improve this mess CUban/Nico created

It honestly shouldnt be this hard. 5 straight years of Dwight Powell as our best C is a travesty, and as much as I love Tyson Chandler, the fact that he is far and away the best C in franchise history despite only playing 2 seasons here is an embarrassment and a reflection of the abysmal job they have done to give Dirk and Luka the help they deserve.

It starts with taking the draft seriously, this team never has. That's on Cuban and DOnnie mostly. Then making terrible trades, which Nico has already done. If this team spent more time evaluating talent in college, g-league, and overseas, we'd be in so much better shape.

dirkforpres · Post #8849 » by **dirkforpres** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:10 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Yea think ur right, just trying to find possible ways to improve this mess CUban/Nico created

It honestly shouldnt be this hard. 5 straight years of Dwight Powell as our best C is a travesty, and as much as I love Tyson Chandler, the fact that he is far and away the best C in franchise history despite only playing 2 seasons here is an embarrassment and a reflection of the abysmal job they have done to give Dirk and Luka the help they deserve.

It starts with taking the draft seriously, this team never has. That's on Cuban and DOnnie mostly. Then making terrible trades, which Nico has already done. If this team spent more time evaluating talent in college, g-league, and overseas, we'd be in so much better shape.

Agreed, but even through the draft I cant remember the last Round 1 C we drafted. Pavel Podkolzin?

I dont even mind Dallas sitting out of drafts or moving back for extra assets... But the fact that they spent the better part of a decade just putting all the Center chips into Dwight Howard, Deandre Jordan, or Hassan Whiteside signing a max contract here and never really having a backup plan other than Dwight Powell and Maxi Kleber if/when it doesnt happen is pretty insane.

Archx · Post #8850 » by **Archx** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:11 pm

Jazz are apparently also interested in another top10 pick. Mavs are projected to take Lively and apparently there is some interest there.

dirkforpres · Post #8851 » by **dirkforpres** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:23 pm

Archx wrote:Jazz are apparently also interested in another top10 pick. Mavs are projected to take Lively and apparently there is some interest there.

Would still rather try and make it work with Atlanta at 15 with Capela or Collins attached, but Utah with 16 and more wouldnt be terrible either. I do worry about Lively becoming another Willie Cauley-Stein, so assuming Hendricks isnt available, I wouldnt be opposed

Archx · Post #8852 » by **Archx** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:32 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Archx wrote:Jazz are apparently also interested in another top10 pick. Mavs are projected to take Lively and apparently there is some interest there.

Would still rather try and make it work with Atlanta at 15 with Capela or Collins attached, but Utah with 16 and more wouldnt be terrible either. I do worry about Lively becoming another Willie Cauley-Stein, so assuming Hendricks isnt available, I wouldnt be opposed

Yeah but re-signing Kyrie means win now. No rookie at 10 will be good enough. We know whatever Stein says is like 99% true, he's literally Cuban's mouthpiece. He started the campaign about Capela+15th for Mavs 10th, etc.... So until he starts reporting something else, i'm still believing Mavs are trying hard to get Capela at this point.

arkuo · Post #8853 » by **arkuo** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:39 pm

Spurs are reportedly looking for another top 10 pick.

How about Zac Collins and Jeremy Sochan for Bullock , Mcgee and the number 10 pick?

dirkforpres · Post #8854 » by **dirkforpres** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:40 pm

Archx wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Archx wrote:Jazz are apparently also interested in another top10 pick. Mavs are projected to take Lively and apparently there is some interest there.

Would still rather try and make it work with Atlanta at 15 with Capela or Collins attached, but Utah with 16 and more wouldnt be terrible either. I do worry about Lively becoming another Willie Cauley-Stein, so assuming Hendricks isnt available, I wouldnt be opposed

Yeah but re-signing Kyrie means win now. No rookie at 10 will be good enough. We know whatever Stein says is like 99% true, he's literally Cuban's mouthpiece. He started the campaign about Capela+15th for Mavs 10th, etc.... So until he starts reporting something else, i'm still believing Mavs are trying hard to get Capela at this point.

As they should. Mavs have the leverage in any deal for 10. Capela and 15 for 10 and Bertans or Collins and 15 for Bertans and Javale should be the only 2 options if Atlanta truly wants Lively. If the Mavs have to throw in a future 2nd or something to get it done, thats about as much extra as id be willing to part with.

Its not about putting a rookie next to Kyrie + Luka as much as it is about the fact that its a highly coveted prospect that any interested team has to acquire the 10th pick in order to get. If they trade higher than 10 for Lively, then it means that Hendricks or Black fall to Dallas and im sure Cuban and Nico would be more than happy with that scenario playing out as well... But if Dallas ends up staying and picking Lively, then at least we finally have an exciting C for the first time in a decade. Not the worst outcome either way.

The only bad draft outcome is if they package the pick with Hardaway for a vet that doesnt move the needle like Smart or Bojan.

dirkforpres · Post #8855 » by **dirkforpres** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:46 pm

arkuo wrote:Spurs are reportedly looking for another top 10 pick.

How about Zac Collins and Jeremy Sochan for Bullock , Mcgee and the number 10 pick?

Theres no way in hell they trade Sochan. Keldon Johnson is probably the one to get traded if they get another top 10 pick. Id do a Bertans and 10 for Johnson, Collins, and 33 trade

41Dirk41 · Post #8856 » by **41Dirk41** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:07 pm

With a lot of interest for a lottery pick i think that could be very easy make a trade...

arkuo · Post #8857 » by **arkuo** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:31 pm

Stein reporting Hawks are only interested with a trade if John Collins is involved. Not Capela.

arkuo · Post #8858 » by **arkuo** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:42 pm

Also wouldnt be opposed to sending #10 to Toronto for Poetl and #13 to get Wallace.

daoneandonly · Post #8859 » by **daoneandonly** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:43 pm

arkuo wrote:Also wouldnt be opposed to sending #10 to Toronto for Poetl and #13 to get Wallace.

He's a FA, cant be combined with 2023 picks

jayu70 · Post #8860 » by **jayu70** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:46 pm

Maverick41 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:Me too. Also because he's younger and can grow with Luka. Not sure why ATL would want to trade him though unless they're just desperate to dump Collins.

If their desperate for #10 Lively, then maybe Green/10 for OO/15?

Sign me up if ATL is willing. I know I like Green more than you do but I think OO just solves so much for us. Would love Bufkin at 15 to replace Green if he's still there.

Atlanta wouldn't be willing to move OO...age to grow with Trae, versatility on defense etc, current contract.