Trade Discussion 22/23

[jayu70]

Unfortunately yes... Anyway the market around Collins is near 0.

They are looking to salary dump him for sure, but #15, especially in this draft is way too much, Collins will fetch an expiring w/o paying.

I think it's the owner's son who runs the show in ATL now and seems inexperienced. Same guy who thought of sending a boat load of picks for Murray. So let's hope he commits another mistake again.

Landry Fields and Kyle Korver are the GM amd AGM, not the owner's son.

[Dmavs12]

Stein reporting Hawks are only interested with a trade if John Collins is involved. Not Capela.

Then it’s bullock and bertans for Collin’s and 15. If they don’t like it, kick rocks.

[Archx]

As expected. Suns will need some "cheap bodies" I'm still on the Ayton train. I fear he's going to explode once he leaves that Suns team and Mavs will regret not getting him. Younger and a better potential than Capela. Suns would never get to the finals without him, he was instrumental to their success.

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[arkuo]

As expected. Suns will need some "cheap bodies" I'm still on the Ayton train. I fear he's going to explode once he leaves that Suns team and Mavs will regret not getting him. Younger and a better potential than Capela. Suns would never get to the finals without him, he was instrumental to their success.

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Bertans + Kleber + Green + Pinson match up perfectly.

Mavs keep #10 and draft Cason Wallace.

[41Dirk41]

I wish to see Powell starting C for next 4/5 years... What a pity

[Archx]

Bertans + Kleber + Green + Pinson match up perfectly.

Mavs keep #10 and draft Cason Wallace.

True, true... It's no secret that Suns would want Maxi, they talked about him for 2 seasons straight. I would be hesitant sending Green though. Keep in mind, we have to be careful or suddenly Mavs will run out of "bodies"

I wish to see Powell starting C for next 4/5 years... What a pity

I'll spank you if you keep having these dirty thoughts.

[daoneandonly]

Bertans + Kleber + Green + Pinson match up perfectly.

Mavs keep #10 and draft Cason Wallace.

True, true... It's no secret that Suns would want Maxi, they talked about him for 2 seasons straight. I would be hesitant sending Green though. Keep in mind, we have to be careful or suddenly Mavs will run out of "bodies"

I wish to see Powell starting C for next 4/5 years... What a pity

I'll spank you if you keep having these dirty thoughts.

No reason to give up Kleber and Green for Ayton, and Pinson is a FA btw. I said it before and I'l stand by it, the only offer Dallas should make is THJ/Bertans. If PHX does not like, dont let the door hit you on the way out

[Mr B]

Would still rather try and make it work with Atlanta at 15 with Capela or Collins attached, but Utah with 16 and more wouldnt be terrible either. I do worry about Lively becoming another Willie Cauley-Stein, so assuming Hendricks isnt available, I wouldnt be opposed

Yeah but re-signing Kyrie means win now. No rookie at 10 will be good enough. We know whatever Stein says is like 99% true, he's literally Cuban's mouthpiece. He started the campaign about Capela+15th for Mavs 10th, etc.... So until he starts reporting something else, i'm still believing Mavs are trying hard to get Capela at this point.

As they should. Mavs have the leverage in any deal for 10. Capela and 15 for 10 and Bertans or Collins and 15 for Bertans and Javale should be the only 2 options if Atlanta truly wants Lively. If the Mavs have to throw in a future 2nd or something to get it done, thats about as much extra as id be willing to part with.

Its not about putting a rookie next to Kyrie + Luka as much as it is about the fact that its a highly coveted prospect that any interested team has to acquire the 10th pick in order to get. If they trade higher than 10 for Lively, then it means that Hendricks or Black fall to Dallas and im sure Cuban and Nico would be more than happy with that scenario playing out as well... But if Dallas ends up staying and picking Lively, then at least we finally have an exciting C for the first time in a decade. Not the worst outcome either way.

The only bad draft outcome is if they package the pick with Hardaway for a vet that doesnt move the needle like Smart or Bojan.

It’s really all going to come down to who is there at 10. I e read that OKC is extremely interested in drafting Taylor Hendricks. If he’s still on the board at 10 I could see the Mavs trading down to 12.

Would OKC do #10+THJ for #12+Lu Dort?

[Archx]

No reason to give up Kleber and Green for Ayton, and Pinson is a FA btw. I said it before and I'l stand by it, the only offer Dallas should make is THJ/Bertans. If PHX does not like, dont let the door hit you on the way out

Salaries have to match and Pinson could be re-signed and traded

[HMFFL]

Bertans + Kleber + Green + Pinson match up perfectly.

Mavs keep #10 and draft Cason Wallace.

True, true... It's no secret that Suns would want Maxi, they talked about him for 2 seasons straight. I would be hesitant sending Green though. Keep in mind, we have to be careful or suddenly Mavs will run out of "bodies"

I wish to see Powell starting C for next 4/5 years... What a pity

I'll spank you if you keep having these dirty thoughts.

No reason to give up Kleber and Green for Ayton, and Pinson is a FA btw. I said it before and I'l stand by it, the only offer Dallas should make is THJ/Bertans. If PHX does not like, dont let the door hit you on the way out

Phoenix will laugh and hangup. We will continue to lack talent if you think that package gains us Ayton. It doesn't make sense for Phoenix to trade Ayton from a talent perspective.

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[41Dirk41]

PHX needs bodies... We have a lot of (dead) bodies.

Make the deal Nico puppet Harrison. Please.

[daoneandonly]

No reason to give up Kleber and Green for Ayton, and Pinson is a FA btw. I said it before and I'l stand by it, the only offer Dallas should make is THJ/Bertans. If PHX does not like, dont let the door hit you on the way out

Salaries have to match and Pinson could be re-signed and traded

Pretty sure THJ/Bertans match up to Ayton contract wise. And again if PHX wants more, tell them to pick a finger between the first 3, specifically the one in the middle

[dirkforpres]

Yeah but re-signing Kyrie means win now. No rookie at 10 will be good enough. We know whatever Stein says is like 99% true, he's literally Cuban's mouthpiece. He started the campaign about Capela+15th for Mavs 10th, etc.... So until he starts reporting something else, i'm still believing Mavs are trying hard to get Capela at this point.

As they should. Mavs have the leverage in any deal for 10. Capela and 15 for 10 and Bertans or Collins and 15 for Bertans and Javale should be the only 2 options if Atlanta truly wants Lively. If the Mavs have to throw in a future 2nd or something to get it done, thats about as much extra as id be willing to part with.

Its not about putting a rookie next to Kyrie + Luka as much as it is about the fact that its a highly coveted prospect that any interested team has to acquire the 10th pick in order to get. If they trade higher than 10 for Lively, then it means that Hendricks or Black fall to Dallas and im sure Cuban and Nico would be more than happy with that scenario playing out as well... But if Dallas ends up staying and picking Lively, then at least we finally have an exciting C for the first time in a decade. Not the worst outcome either way.

The only bad draft outcome is if they package the pick with Hardaway for a vet that doesnt move the needle like Smart or Bojan.

It’s really all going to come down to who is there at 10. I e read that OKC is extremely interested in drafting Taylor Hendricks. If he’s still on the board at 10 I could see the Mavs trading down to 12.

Would OKC do #10+THJ for #12+Lu Dort?

Unlikely. I think OKC would be more than happy to stay where theyre at to take Coulibaly or Dick, and the cost of moving up 2 spots to select Hendricks isnt worth giving up an all-NBA defense caliber 3 and D wing.

[daoneandonly]

True, true... It's no secret that Suns would want Maxi, they talked about him for 2 seasons straight. I would be hesitant sending Green though. Keep in mind, we have to be careful or suddenly Mavs will run out of "bodies"



I'll spank you if you keep having these dirty thoughts.

No reason to give up Kleber and Green for Ayton, and Pinson is a FA btw. I said it before and I'l stand by it, the only offer Dallas should make is THJ/Bertans. If PHX does not like, dont let the door hit you on the way out

Phoenix will laugh and hangup. We will continue to lack talent if you think that package gains us Ayton. It doesn't make sense for Phoenix to trade Ayton from a talent perspective.

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Nor does it make sense to give up our one guy who at least tries to guard bigger wings and can still protect the rim, nor one of our few promising young guys in Green. Ayton has no motor or heart, he wants $$ and only $$, so unless its our crap for their crap, forget it

[dirkforpres]

True, true... It's no secret that Suns would want Maxi, they talked about him for 2 seasons straight. I would be hesitant sending Green though. Keep in mind, we have to be careful or suddenly Mavs will run out of "bodies"



I'll spank you if you keep having these dirty thoughts.

No reason to give up Kleber and Green for Ayton, and Pinson is a FA btw. I said it before and I'l stand by it, the only offer Dallas should make is THJ/Bertans. If PHX does not like, dont let the door hit you on the way out

Phoenix will laugh and hangup. We will continue to lack talent if you think that package gains us Ayton. It doesn't make sense for Phoenix to trade Ayton from a talent perspective.

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I dont think they package is as far off as you make it seem. Phoenix has zero leverage in any trade involving Ayton, as its known leaguewide that they essentially have to trade him. I do think theyre going to want Kleber in any deal for him though involving the Mavs, so im thinking Hardaway and Kleber for Ayton should be the offer. If they wanted to include Josh Green for Torrey Craig, i would be fine with that too

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The Jazz are exploring using picks 16 & 28 and taking on an expiring contract such as Davis Bertans, per ESPN

[41Dirk41]

Ayton is paid like a max player but he can't really play in PO right now... It's a risk trade assets for him.

THJ+Bertans+Bullock(or Maxi) are enough honestly...

[41Dirk41]

The Jazz are exploring using picks 16 & 28 and taking on an expiring contract such as Davis Bertans, per ESPN

Everybody want the laser... They know his Power

[daoneandonly]

No reason to give up Kleber and Green for Ayton, and Pinson is a FA btw. I said it before and I'l stand by it, the only offer Dallas should make is THJ/Bertans. If PHX does not like, dont let the door hit you on the way out

Phoenix will laugh and hangup. We will continue to lack talent if you think that package gains us Ayton. It doesn't make sense for Phoenix to trade Ayton from a talent perspective.

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I dont think they package is as far off as you make it seem. Phoenix has zero leverage in any trade involving Ayton, as its known leaguewide that they essentially have to trade him. I do think theyre going to want Kleber in any deal for him though involving the Mavs, so im thinking Hardaway and Kleber for Ayton should be the offer. If they wanted to include Josh Green for Torrey Craig, i would be fine with that too

Still be hesitant to include Kleber unless they take McGee too. So THJ/Kleber/McGee, they get 3 rotational pieces. Dallas gets AYton, and maybe Craig if he's not a FA

[Archx]

Wtf is going on with the Suns? That team thinks they're Lakers now or what? They want everyone. But this just means that Suns would apparently do trade with Mavs since a lot of people thought they would never do trades with Mavs after that "famous" playoff series.

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