Trade Discussion 22/23

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I see that optimism still runs high on this board.

Wow look who's back, i was legit wondering if you're still alive.

What is the plan if Houston throws a full max at Kyrie?

Cartwheels and Backflips.

Ha i dont want him back either, but whats the team's plan to replace the production and void?

Well, they would need to ask themselves who's the most priced FA or do a soft reset. Trade for some draft stock and go from there. But i'm not sure anykind of rebuild is possible with Doncic being as competitive and good as he is.

[Bob8]

I see that optimism still runs high on this board.

Wow look who's back, i was legit wondering if you're still alive.

I never understood point of writing about those fantasies trades, which never happen. Each fan base fantasies about getting a lot for very little.

[arkuo]

But i'm not sure anykind of rebuild is possible with Doncic being as competitive and good as he is.

All signs point to Dallas trying to re-sign Kyrie. Even prior to the season ending, Nico, Cuban and even Kidd were talking about how they planned to bring him back. So expectation is they will try.

The team is trying to build the Houston Rockets model around Doncic with the idea of him being a James Harden type of player. Dallas is even trying to get Harden's old center in Capela to see if it can work because the way he plays is he dribbles for a long time while 4 guys watch. It's different to how Jokic and the Nuggets play. Adding Kyrie (or any 2nd star) to the mix shakes things up offensively. Even if the Mavs manage to add Kawhi or Paul George, they'd play like Kyrie in a sense that they will go for their own iso plays too. Luka also needs to add a bit more variation to the team game. Jokic wasn't hanging on to the ball too long. So did Sabonis. No reason to dribble 19 seconds, just move the ball around.

[daoneandonly]

But i'm not sure anykind of rebuild is possible with Doncic being as competitive and good as he is.

All signs point to Dallas trying to re-sign Kyrie. Even prior to the season ending, Nico, Cuban and even Kidd were talking about how they planned to bring him back. So expectation is they will try.

The team is trying to build the Houston Rockets model around Doncic with the idea of him being a James Harden type of player. Dallas is even trying to get Harden's old center in Capela to see if it can work because the way he plays is he dribbles for a long time while 4 guys watch. It's different to how Jokic and the Nuggets play. Adding Kyrie (or any 2nd star) to the mix shakes things up offensively. Even if the Mavs manage to add Kawhi or Paul George, they'd play like Kyrie in a sense that they will go for their own iso plays too. Luka also needs to add a bit more variation to the team game. Jokic wasn't hanging on to the ball too long. So did Sabonis. No reason to dribble 19 seconds, just move the ball around.

Apparently LAC are gauging interest around the league for PG13. My very first thought and hope was a straight swap of Kyrie (S&T) for George. LAC needs a point guard as they are chalk full of wings Kawhi, Mann, Powell, and even Morris/Batum. Paul George can be Luka's 2 (when he plays)

[arkuo]

The blueprint of what to do and what not to do for Doncic is already out. He can refer to what the Nuggets and Kings have done and try less to do what Harden and the Sixers are doing. Which is dribble dribble stepback or alternate iso plays with Embiid.

I currently have my doubts still on Dereck Lively being a second Tyson Chandler. But if they do draft Lively, they need to have patience because big men develop way slower. It took Tyson 10 years to jump to Dallas before figuring it out. that's 10 seasons.

[arkuo]

But i'm not sure anykind of rebuild is possible with Doncic being as competitive and good as he is.

All signs point to Dallas trying to re-sign Kyrie. Even prior to the season ending, Nico, Cuban and even Kidd were talking about how they planned to bring him back. So expectation is they will try.

The team is trying to build the Houston Rockets model around Doncic with the idea of him being a James Harden type of player. Dallas is even trying to get Harden's old center in Capela to see if it can work because the way he plays is he dribbles for a long time while 4 guys watch. It's different to how Jokic and the Nuggets play. Adding Kyrie (or any 2nd star) to the mix shakes things up offensively. Even if the Mavs manage to add Kawhi or Paul George, they'd play like Kyrie in a sense that they will go for their own iso plays too. Luka also needs to add a bit more variation to the team game. Jokic wasn't hanging on to the ball too long. So did Sabonis. No reason to dribble 19 seconds, just move the ball around.

Apparently LAC are gauging interest around the league for PG13. My very first thought and hope was a straight swap of Kyrie (S&T) for George. LAC needs a point guard as they are chalk full of wings Kawhi, Mann, Powell, and even Morris/Batum. Paul George can be Luka's 2 (when he plays)

PG13 makes sense too IMO. 6'8 good defender. Can play both ways. This allows Jaden Hardy to start too.

This would depend on whether Kyrie wants to leave Dallas. if he decides to stay, I think Cuban will allow him too even if the bill is high. Kyrie will consider California state taxes and his max there is different from the amount he takes home.

[Archx]

I see that optimism still runs high on this board.

Wow look who's back, i was legit wondering if you're still alive.

I never understood point of writing about those fantasies trades, which never happen. Each fan base fantasies about getting a lot for very little.

Yeah i know what you mean. People have their ideas, i don't mind that but i saw in other forums when they started fighting over those ideas like they're 100% true, it's really silly. No one knows exactly what GMs have in mind. So i usually discuss only when rumors start flying around and what would be good or bad for the team, it's more productive

But i'm not sure anykind of rebuild is possible with Doncic being as competitive and good as he is.

All signs point to Dallas trying to re-sign Kyrie. Even prior to the season ending, Nico, Cuban and even Kidd were talking about how they planned to bring him back. So expectation is they will try.

I think it's more or less 99.9% that Kyrie will re-sign. Specially when Stein started throwing out info that there is actually no market for him anywhere else and he wants to get paid.

[HMFFL]

So here’s the latest. Atlanta might be so desperate to dump Collins they might be talked in to Bullock/Bertans for Collins/#15. So Mavs would keep #10 in that scenario.

I just don't see it for ATL. If they just wanted money savings, I'm sure other teams like SA would easily take Collins for the 15th pick.

If POR keeps Dame, I could see them taking on Collins. They could actually use him in their front court.

Which, Dame does like John Collins, and he wanted Portland to trade their first round pick last season for John. Portland declined and drafted Shaedon Sharpe.

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[HMFFL]

Having fun with the trade machine. Here's an interesting one:

DAL Receives: GTJ + Gafford + Avdija + OPJ
TOR Receives: THJ + McGee + 10
WAS Receives: Bertans + 13

DAL gets 3 starting caliber players + OPJ who's pretty useful when healthy (rarely is though). Most importantly, we trade our worst contracts and if we let all the expirings expire, we get max cap space to play with in 2024 offseason. Let Kyrie recruit Jaylen Brown or Claxton.

TOR moves up in the draft. I've seen the GTJ + 13 for THJ + 10 swap on many boards and TOR fans seem to like it.

WAS moves on and continues their rebuild with a lottery pick.

There's no reason for Washington to give up so much. Deni Avdija began to come around and proved he can be productive. I expect him to average 20ppg next season. Washington drafted 9th overall but you want them to dump him and Gafford for what exactly?

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[arkuo]

I just don't see it for ATL. If they just wanted money savings, I'm sure other teams like SA would easily take Collins for the 15th pick.

If POR keeps Dame, I could see them taking on Collins. They could actually use him in their front court.

Which, Dame does like John Collins, and he wanted Portland to trade their first round pick last season for John. Portland declined and drafted Shaedon Sharpe.

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I do think at some point Portland has to put their put down with Dame demanding stuff left and right. He's earning like half a billion dollars. The reason they cant sign anyone is he takes like 80% of their cap for himself. Similar to Indiana with Paul George, it might be smart to trade Dame for pieces they could rebuild with. Dame + Collins + Nurkic is not getting past Denver if they made the 8th seed in the first round IMO. Dame just got a midlife crisis seeing CP3 tossed to the side without a ring. And now he thinks about how to win but he's the one who signed that contract that prevented the team to chase more talent. Cant have it two ways.

[arkuo]

If Dallas gets a low cost center or a 3&D forward via the draft, they will have one max cap slot in 2024 or 2025 when THJ and Bertans dont come back? If so, I'd be curious on who Kyrie can recruit for that. I mean, you can't recruit if you dont have cap space, right?

[arkuo]

With new owners, Charlotte could be a trade partner now.

THJ + Bertans +10th pick for Hayward and Mark Williams

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If Dallas gets a low cost center or a 3&D forward via the draft, they will have one max cap slot in 2024 or 2025 when THJ and Bertans dont come back? If so, I'd be curious on who Kyrie can recruit for that. I mean, you can't recruit if you dont have cap space, right?

In theory, yes. But Green will need to be extended next season and soon also Hardy. Assuming only THJ stays, and both young guys on new contracts plus Kyrie's max.. It's hard to say how much they'll have left but i would say close to 30M. But if tomorrow they trade for a center and another wing, it's going to be next to impossible to give max to a FA.

It's interesting though looking at 2025 season, only Luka and Maxi have a contract for now Salary cap will probably be close to 150M so this means Mavs would have aprox 100M to give out. Even if you remove aprox 40-45M from Kyrie's contract, that's still plenty of room for another max. But that's only if they don't give out any long term contracts this and next year. And again, this plan is almost next to impossible to come true in practice.

[arkuo]

Its reported that Mavs have spoken to the Celtics about a S&T for Grant Williams.

My guess would be C-Wood.

If it's Josh Green or Jaden Hardy, they might as well close shop now.

Who has watched enough Boston games to get a good description for Grant Williams? Reggie Bullock clone? Dillon Brooks with a 3 pt shot? Looks like a low tier utility guy in his highlights. Does a bit of everything but nothing really stands out.

[dirkforpres]

Its reported that Mavs have spoken to the Celtics about a S&T for Grant Williams.

My guess would be C-Wood.

If it's Josh Green or Jaden Hardy, they might as well close shop now.

Who has watched enough Boston games to get a good description for Grant Williams? Reggie Bullock clone? Dillon Brooks with a 3 pt shot? Looks like a low tier utility guy in his highlights. Does a bit of everything but nothing really stands out.

I dont see the Celtics wanting in the Wood business, and a double S&T is close to impossible. My guess is that either Kleber, Bullock, or Hardaway would be involved.

[arkuo]

Bruce Brown also opted out of his contract in Denver just now. He's free to go anywhere now. Mavs need to get in on this ASAP. Draft a center and re-sign Kyrie, get Grant Williams and we're done.

[daoneandonly]

Its reported that Mavs have spoken to the Celtics about a S&T for Grant Williams.

My guess would be C-Wood.

If it's Josh Green or Jaden Hardy, they might as well close shop now.

Who has watched enough Boston games to get a good description for Grant Williams? Reggie Bullock clone? Dillon Brooks with a 3 pt shot? Looks like a low tier utility guy in his highlights. Does a bit of everything but nothing really stands out.

I dont see the Celtics wanting in the Wood business, and a double S&T is close to impossible. My guess is that either Kleber, Bullock, or Hardaway would be involved.

I'd be okay if its Hardaway. Less enthused if its the other guys. Though we'd have to match salary and Grant alone isnt worth 17 mil a year

[arkuo]

Its reported that Mavs have spoken to the Celtics about a S&T for Grant Williams.

My guess would be C-Wood.

If it's Josh Green or Jaden Hardy, they might as well close shop now.

Who has watched enough Boston games to get a good description for Grant Williams? Reggie Bullock clone? Dillon Brooks with a 3 pt shot? Looks like a low tier utility guy in his highlights. Does a bit of everything but nothing really stands out.

I dont see the Celtics wanting in the Wood business, and a double S&T is close to impossible. My guess is that either Kleber, Bullock, or Hardaway would be involved.

Interesting. Williams is said to be interested to sign in the 15M range. So maybe Bertans?

[arkuo]

Its reported that Mavs have spoken to the Celtics about a S&T for Grant Williams.

My guess would be C-Wood.

If it's Josh Green or Jaden Hardy, they might as well close shop now.

Who has watched enough Boston games to get a good description for Grant Williams? Reggie Bullock clone? Dillon Brooks with a 3 pt shot? Looks like a low tier utility guy in his highlights. Does a bit of everything but nothing really stands out.

I dont see the Celtics wanting in the Wood business, and a double S&T is close to impossible. My guess is that either Kleber, Bullock, or Hardaway would be involved.

I'd be okay if its Hardaway. Less enthused if its the other guys. Though we'd have to match salary and Grant alone isnt worth 17 mil a year

THJ earns too much to match? Maybe Bertans at 16M per.

[arkuo]

Bruce Brown shares the same agent as our very own inbound god, Theo Pinson. Workout a double signing. We'll give Theo renewed employment, have Bruce Brown come over. Agent gets double the commission earnings instead of having Pinson walk.