Trade Discussion 22/23

[Mr B]

I see that optimism still runs high on this board.

There are definitely still some guys that have no clue. The usually suspects.

[Mr B]

If Dallas gets a low cost center or a 3&D forward via the draft, they will have one max cap slot in 2024 or 2025 when THJ and Bertans dont come back? If so, I'd be curious on who Kyrie can recruit for that. I mean, you can't recruit if you dont have cap space, right?

I think the fact that we won’t know Kyrie’s decision for some time is why the Mavs HAVE to draft and keep that player tomorrow, even if it is in a trade down scenario. They can’t trade the pick without getting a pick back.

They already have Green and Hardy. It would be best for the team (long term) to keep adding youth as well as vets. If Kyrie walks then the team is at least already headed in the right direction for a rebuild.

[Mr B]

If Dallas gets a low cost center or a 3&D forward via the draft, they will have one max cap slot in 2024 or 2025 when THJ and Bertans dont come back? If so, I'd be curious on who Kyrie can recruit for that. I mean, you can't recruit if you dont have cap space, right?

In theory, yes. But Green will need to be extended next season and soon also Hardy. Assuming only THJ stays, and both young guys on new contracts plus Kyrie's max.. It's hard to say how much they'll have left but i would say close to 30M. But if tomorrow they trade for a center and another wing, it's going to be next to impossible to give max to a FA.

It's interesting though looking at 2025 season, only Luka and Maxi have a contract for now Salary cap will probably be close to 150M so this means Mavs would have aprox 100M to give out. Even if you remove aprox 40-45M from Kyrie's contract, that's still plenty of room for another max. But that's only if they don't give out any long term contracts this and next year. And again, this plan is almost next to impossible to come true in practice.

Personally I wouldn’t add another max player in 2025 unless Kyrie walks. The team would be better off spreading that money around adding multiple defensive players. At least that’s my opinion.

[Forbes]

If Dallas gets a low cost center or a 3&D forward via the draft, they will have one max cap slot in 2024 or 2025 when THJ and Bertans dont come back? If so, I'd be curious on who Kyrie can recruit for that. I mean, you can't recruit if you dont have cap space, right?

In theory, yes. But Green will need to be extended next season and soon also Hardy. Assuming only THJ stays, and both young guys on new contracts plus Kyrie's max.. It's hard to say how much they'll have left but i would say close to 30M. But if tomorrow they trade for a center and another wing, it's going to be next to impossible to give max to a FA.

It's interesting though looking at 2025 season, only Luka and Maxi have a contract for now Salary cap will probably be close to 150M so this means Mavs would have aprox 100M to give out. Even if you remove aprox 40-45M from Kyrie's contract, that's still plenty of room for another max. But that's only if they don't give out any long term contracts this and next year. And again, this plan is almost next to impossible to come true in practice.

Personally I wouldn’t add another max player in 2025 unless Kyrie walks. The team would be better off spreading that money around adding multiple defensive players. At least that’s my opinion.

Agreed, great defense is A lot harder to find than offensive firepower.

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[Tim Cato] “Dallas has spoken with the Boston Celtics about a Grant Williams sign-and-trade. Dallas isn’t interested in using its pick to acquire him, and the team might decide against an offer — something more than the mid-level exception — that would be large enough that Boston wouldn’t match.”

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Mavs are operating close to hard cap right now, so they can't use full MLE (12M), only TPMLE which is only 5M. So in order to get Grant, they would need to quickly get rid of some players aka Bertans or THJ. It's incredibly hard to do that right now because anyone would probably want to have 10th pick attached to that. One other option is also stretching Bertans contract then Mavs could use full MLE this year.

[fuller4379]

Its reported that Mavs have spoken to the Celtics about a S&T for Grant Williams.

My guess would be C-Wood.

If it's Josh Green or Jaden Hardy, they might as well close shop now.

Who has watched enough Boston games to get a good description for Grant Williams? Reggie Bullock clone? Dillon Brooks with a 3 pt shot? Looks like a low tier utility guy in his highlights. Does a bit of everything but nothing really stands out.

I dont see the Celtics wanting in the Wood business, and a double S&T is close to impossible. My guess is that either Kleber, Bullock, or Hardaway would be involved.

Interesting. Williams is said to be interested to sign in the 15M range. So maybe Bertans?

Boston isn't doing that. They don't want to take Bertans' contract.

[dirkforpres]

I dont see the Celtics wanting in the Wood business, and a double S&T is close to impossible. My guess is that either Kleber, Bullock, or Hardaway would be involved.

Interesting. Williams is said to be interested to sign in the 15M range. So maybe Bertans?

Boston isn't doing that. They don't want to take Bertans' contract.

Very unlikely. I assume any potential S&T with Boston involves Hardaway.

[arkuo]

Interesting. Williams is said to be interested to sign in the 15M range. So maybe Bertans?

Boston isn't doing that. They don't want to take Bertans' contract.

Very unlikely. I assume any potential S&T with Boston involves Hardaway.

Grant at 19M per might be too much money?

[dirkforpres]

Boston isn't doing that. They don't want to take Bertans' contract.

Very unlikely. I assume any potential S&T with Boston involves Hardaway.

Grant at 19M per might be too much money?

More than I’d want to pay, but that’s probably about what his range is. Anywhere in the 15-20 range is about what I’d expect him to get on the open market

[arkuo]

Very unlikely. I assume any potential S&T with Boston involves Hardaway.

Grant at 19M per might be too much money?

More than I’d want to pay, but that’s probably about what his range is. Anywhere in the 15-20 range is about what I’d expect him to get on the open market

There you go. I haven't been watching Grant a lot to get a good gauge of his value.

[dirkforpres]

Grant at 19M per might be too much money?

More than I’d want to pay, but that’s probably about what his range is. Anywhere in the 15-20 range is about what I’d expect him to get on the open market

There you go. I haven't been watching Grant a lot to get a good gauge of his value.

It’s the byproduct of a player being a young, rotation piece on a contending roster and then hitting the open market. He’s a great defender, but a spotty shooter. For all of the people who whine and cry about Dorian Finney-Smith not being here, Williams is probably going to wind up having a better career than DFS had, so I think he would do well here

[ACMFFL]

I like Grant, he's a nice role player but anything over 15mln is a massive overpay in my opinion.

[41Dirk41]

I like Grant, he's a nice role player but anything over 15mln is a massive overpay in my opinion.

You are right but the salaries will go up every year... Despite the terrible new CBA

Same old story... NBA will never change...

[daoneandonly]

If Washington gets a good package for KP, Dallas fans should boycott games until Nico is fired.

[BliscoSantos]

If Washington gets a good package for KP, Dallas fans should boycott games until Nico is fired.

They probably are gonna get a first rounder...it's sad the Mavs had to take on Bertans a give a second rounder for KP...i know they got to the WCF but cmon,it was a fluke,Just like Atlanta...KP was Hurt i get that but still,you had to take Bertans who's got a horrible contract...just embarassing

[daoneandonly]

If Washington gets a good package for KP, Dallas fans should boycott games until Nico is fired.

They probably are gonna get a first rounder...it's sad the Mavs had to take on Bertans a give a second rounder for KP...i know they got to the WCF but cmon,it was a fluke,Just like Atlanta...KP was Hurt i get that but still,you had to take Bertans who's got a horrible contract...just embarassing

Inexcusable, many of us said it then, even more true now. Nico sucks

[BliscoSantos]

Unless Nico pulls a rabbit from the hat this offseason he needs to go...it Just doesn't seem his well suited for the job

[ozwizard8]

The blueprint of what to do and what not to do for Doncic is already out. He can refer to what the Nuggets and Kings have done and try less to do what Harden and the Sixers are doing. Which is dribble dribble stepback or alternate iso plays with Embiid.

I currently have my doubts still on Dereck Lively being a second Tyson Chandler. But if they do draft Lively, they need to have patience because big men develop way slower. It took Tyson 10 years to jump to Dallas before figuring it out. that's 10 seasons.

That is the reason I'd try Ayton. There is a good chance Ayton reaching his defensive potential in the next years. He has soft touch around the rim and some low-post play capability. Just needs to get tougher, and learn how to play aggressive without fouling.

[41Dirk41]

If Washington gets a good package for KP, Dallas fans should boycott games until Nico is fired.

They probably are gonna get a first rounder...it's sad the Mavs had to take on Bertans a give a second rounder for KP...i know they got to the WCF but cmon,it was a fluke,Just like Atlanta...KP was Hurt i get that but still,you had to take Bertans who's got a horrible contract...just embarassing

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