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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9041 » by Mr B » Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:59 pm

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Hyperbole. You just trolling here.

You’re the only be that says the new CBA doesn’t matter not me.


It will be less important than a lot of you guys here think... Superstar will always sign supermax, a lot of players will be always overpaid so cap and luxury will always go up.

If Cuban really want to win he have to pay, look at last winners payroll... We went cheap for 10 years.

The restrictions on teams will be a lot tougher going forward than is has been over the last 10 years. The NBA is trying to go toward a league with more parity. The days of teams with 3 super-maxed out superstars will be over within the next 2-3 years. We are seeing teams like the Suns continuing to try the 3-star route this season but they are screwing themselves for the long run.

The best way to build a team is 2-max players and the rest of the roster filled with solid role players. An actual team instead of 3 max players and a bunch of vet min guys.

I’m not saying that Nico/Cuban/Dirk have done a great job because obviously they haven’t. But if what Cuban said today is true that they will be prioritizing the draft going forward that is really their best bet. This team is not going to be a championship contender after this off season but if the can add a Whitmore, Hendricks, Lively, or another young defensive player in the draft (in addition to Green and Hardy) they seem to be on the right path.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9042 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:00 pm

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Mr B wrote:You’re the only be that says the new CBA doesn’t matter not me.


It will be less important than a lot of you guys here think... Superstar will always sign supermax, a lot of players will be always overpaid so cap and luxury will always go up.

If Cuban really want to win he have to pay, look at last winners payroll... We went cheap for 10 years.

The restrictions on teams will be a lot tougher going forward than is has been over the last 10 years. The NBA is trying to go toward a league with more parity. The days of teams with 3 super-maxed out superstars will be over within the next 2-3 years. We are seeing teams like the Suns continuing to try the 3-star route this season but they are screwing themselves for the long run.

The best way to build a team is 2-max players and the rest of the roster filled with solid role players. An actual team instead of 3 max players and a bunch of vet min guys.

I’m not saying that Nico/Cuban/Dirk have done a great job because obviously they haven’t. But if what Cuban said today is true that they will be prioritizing the draft going forward that is really their best bet. This team is not going to be a championship contender after this off season but if the can add a Whitmore, Hendricks, Lively, or another young defensive player in the draft (in addition to Green and Hardy) they seem to be on the right path.


I understand your point, i can only hope Luka agrees with this policy.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9043 » by Archx » Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:14 pm

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Archx wrote:Also, more and more people related to Mavs discussions believe that they are keeping the pick. We obviously don't know how much of that is a smoke screen but apparently they really like Lively and view him as a potential starting center. And another name popped up. If Cam Whitmore is still there at 10, they think Mavs will almost sure draft him.

Keeping the pick would definitely be my preference. Also agree that if Cam Whitmore falls to 10 the Mavs HAVE to draft and keep him regardless of who is still on the board. The Mavs need a center but you can’t pass on Whitmore, he’s the perfect fit next to Luka/Kyrie. Plus you can’t go wrong with a Villanova guy.

I also hope that Cuban isn’t blowing smoke about prioritizing the draft going forward. They have never done that during Cuban’s tenure outside of the Luka draft and Josh Howard draft.


Yep agreed. But regarding draft, i do believe it at some level. New CBA will force teams into doing things they normaly wouldn't do. It will complicate things a lot more than they were in the past. And i 100% believe teams will try to stack up on cheap contracts as much as possible.
Unless you'll have a team that's heavily invested going ALL IN for 1 or 2 years without caring about losing future draft picks or insane amount of money.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9044 » by Apz » Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:27 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
It will be less important than a lot of you guys here think... Superstar will always sign supermax, a lot of players will be always overpaid so cap and luxury will always go up.

If Cuban really want to win he have to pay, look at last winners payroll... We went cheap for 10 years.

The restrictions on teams will be a lot tougher going forward than is has been over the last 10 years. The NBA is trying to go toward a league with more parity. The days of teams with 3 super-maxed out superstars will be over within the next 2-3 years. We are seeing teams like the Suns continuing to try the 3-star route this season but they are screwing themselves for the long run.

The best way to build a team is 2-max players and the rest of the roster filled with solid role players. An actual team instead of 3 max players and a bunch of vet min guys.

I’m not saying that Nico/Cuban/Dirk have done a great job because obviously they haven’t. But if what Cuban said today is true that they will be prioritizing the draft going forward that is really their best bet. This team is not going to be a championship contender after this off season but if the can add a Whitmore, Hendricks, Lively, or another young defensive player in the draft (in addition to Green and Hardy) they seem to be on the right path.


I understand your point, i can only hope Luka agrees with this policy.


Its not really a policy. If luka or other players got an issue with it, he should take it up with the player association that bargained it
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9045 » by Archx » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:00 pm

Cuban also said they are targeting rim protection. Like we didn't hear this before :-? But apparently trade with ATL could still happen.

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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9046 » by Mr B » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:18 pm

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Mr B wrote:The restrictions on teams will be a lot tougher going forward than is has been over the last 10 years. The NBA is trying to go toward a league with more parity. The days of teams with 3 super-maxed out superstars will be over within the next 2-3 years. We are seeing teams like the Suns continuing to try the 3-star route this season but they are screwing themselves for the long run.

The best way to build a team is 2-max players and the rest of the roster filled with solid role players. An actual team instead of 3 max players and a bunch of vet min guys.

I’m not saying that Nico/Cuban/Dirk have done a great job because obviously they haven’t. But if what Cuban said today is true that they will be prioritizing the draft going forward that is really their best bet. This team is not going to be a championship contender after this off season but if the can add a Whitmore, Hendricks, Lively, or another young defensive player in the draft (in addition to Green and Hardy) they seem to be on the right path.


I understand your point, i can only hope Luka agrees with this policy.


Its not really a policy. If luka or other players got an issue with it, he should take it up with the player association that bargained it

Yea Luka will have to deal with this regardless of what team he plays for.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9047 » by daoneandonly » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:20 pm

Chris Paul to Golden State

I hope the Clippers after seeing this and the Brogden tarde fall through, get desperate and give us something for a Kyrie S&T

Either a straight swap for PG13
Or Zubac/Cov/Batu/Mann
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9048 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:25 pm

Archx wrote:Cuban also said they are targeting rim protection. Like we didn't hear this before :-? But apparently trade with ATL could still happen.

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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9049 » by Mr B » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:26 pm

Archx wrote:Cuban also said they are targeting rim protection. Like we didn't hear this before :-? But apparently trade with ATL could still happen.

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It’s all going to depend on who’s still in the board at 10.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9050 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:27 pm

Mr B wrote:
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I understand your point, i can only hope Luka agrees with this policy.


Its not really a policy. If luka or other players got an issue with it, he should take it up with the player association that bargained it

Yea Luka will have to deal with this regardless of what team he plays for.


You forget that it's a player league and always will be.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9051 » by Mr B » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:29 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Archx wrote:Cuban also said they are targeting rim protection. Like we didn't hear this before :-? But apparently trade with ATL could still happen.

Read on Twitter


Capela+#15 is best scenario ever for the Mavs...

That’s the deal that I would prefer they make however if (huge if) Cam Whitmore or Jarace Walker make it to 10 then all bets are off. I’m taking either one of those two guys and figuring out how to get a center later.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9052 » by Mr B » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:38 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
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Apz wrote:
Its not really a policy. If luka or other players got an issue with it, he should take it up with the player association that bargained it

Yea Luka will have to deal with this regardless of what team he plays for.


You forget that it's a player league and always will be.

I get that and if Cuban and Nico don’t put a contending team around Luka and Kyrie they could both force a trade. I’m just saying that regardless of who they play for their new team would have to play by the same rules. This new CBA is going to put an end to the teams with 3 Supermax players. Teams like the Suns are going to be facing serious penalties within the next 2 years. That’s why Golden State is trying to dump their huge contracts. They were able to dump Poole’s contract for CP who is only guaranteed $15M after this season and non-guaranteed the year after that. They also convinced Draymond to opt out of his huge deal. My bet is they also find a way to dump Klay or stretch him.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9053 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:44 pm

The Wizards quietly preparing to tank so they can get Lebron and Bronny LOL
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9054 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 8:15 pm

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Mr B wrote:Yea Luka will have to deal with this regardless of what team he plays for.


You forget that it's a player league and always will be.

I get that and if Cuban and Nico don’t put a contending team around Luka and Kyrie they could both force a trade. I’m just saying that regardless of who they play for their new team would have to play by the same rules. This new CBA is going to put an end to the teams with 3 Supermax players. Teams like the Suns are going to be facing serious penalties within the next 2 years. That’s why Golden State is trying to dump their huge contracts. They were able to dump Poole’s contract for CP who is only guaranteed $15M after this season and non-guaranteed the year after that. They also convinced Draymond to opt out of his huge deal. My bet is they also find a way to dump Klay or stretch him.


Sorry but until what you said will happens i don't trust in this great change... i've read a lot of times those kind of things.
I hope you are right because every good player sign for the max in those days. Bleah.

GSW dropped Poole because he is one of the worst contract in the league.... And Green&Klay are old, they need to rebuild.
He was horrible in last PO.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9055 » by Archx » Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:46 pm

Apparently Mavs called CLE about Allen. They're really targeting all players we suggested lol. Next up Claxton? :D
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9056 » by BliscoSantos » Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:54 pm

Mavs looking for a C...Turner, Capella, Allen,Claxton ,Ayton would all be good choices

How about Ayton and #15 to Mavs, Collins,Bullock(or Kleber) to Suns, Bertans and #10 to Hawks
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9057 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:56 pm

Archx wrote:Apparently Mavs called CLE about Allen. They're really targeting all players we suggested lol. Next up Claxton? :D


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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9058 » by Maverick41 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:05 pm

Archx wrote:Apparently Mavs called CLE about Allen. They're really targeting all players we suggested lol. Next up Claxton? :D

Maybe 1 of us is in the FO :wink:
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9059 » by Forbes » Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:16 pm

Maverick41 wrote:
Archx wrote:Apparently Mavs called CLE about Allen. They're really targeting all players we suggested lol. Next up Claxton? :D

Maybe 1 of us is in the FO :wink:



I’m happy the FO have some common sense even if it’s not one of us.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#9060 » by DJ_3_Ball » Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:44 pm

Brandon Clarke is an interesting buy low candidate from Memphis. A bit risky with 4 years remaining on his contract, but if he returns from his Achilles tear the way Dwight Powell did (not lose the explosiveness), then he's great value at $12.5 M per season. Years 27 - 31 of his career.

Can probably be had for a 2nd round pick. Memphis needs to clear some cap space; especially if they're gonna bring back Dillion Brooks. If Clarke doesn't have that spring in his step again, he could be off loaded with relative ease. Seems worth the gamble to me.

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