if dirk continues to suck, does his contract drop?

avon barksdale · Post #1 » by **avon barksdale** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:37 pm

I'm hearing 10-12 million as the consensus but he's been awful and unlike kg and Duncan he was never an elite defender or rebounder so are u still interested in paying that money for a floor spacer

Captain_Obvious · Post #2 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:44 pm

Nope

He looks like a backup. The team plays better without him.

Post #3 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:06 am

And how quickly guys abandon the best player we'll ever have.....

Dirk4Life

Captain_Obvious · Post #4 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:48 am

Abandoning because 10-12 millions would be overpay? I'm not his agent...

avon barksdale · Post #5 » by **avon barksdale** » Thu May 1, 2014 3:02 am

Texas Chuck wrote:And how quickly guys abandon the best player we'll ever have.....

Dirk4Life

I'm not abandoning dirk but he's looking more like a 3 for 24 guy he just doesn't have anything going for him beyond an occasional 30pt game he's a major liability defensively and on the glass

dirkster41 · Post #6 » by **dirkster41** » Thu May 1, 2014 4:03 am

he's been awful offensively because the spurs are not letting him shoot jumpshots which is his bread and butter all season long. the spurs are doing a great job at exposing dirk defense by going at him on the pick and roll. he's been aggressive on getting rebounds which is a good sign but man that defense during the 4th was awful.

why did carlisle opted for a 3 guard lineup without dalembert?

Post #7 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu May 1, 2014 4:30 am

He's having a terrible series by his standards no question. He's missing shots he should make, he's worrying too much about the officiating, and he's killing us in the PnR defensively. But he just had a great RS. Sorry if Im not ready to bury the guy or lowball him on a contract based on 5 games against the best team in the league.

And yeah Im a Dirk homer, but it doesnt take a Dirk homer to understand how great he still is. Every team in the league would kill for the chance to pay Dirk $12M per and his own fans think he's no longer worth it. SMH.

laaboy808 · Post #8 » by **laaboy808** » Thu May 1, 2014 5:16 am

Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Johnny Kilroy · Post #9 » by **Johnny Kilroy** » Thu May 1, 2014 5:20 am

there's no need to worry over dirk's next deal. he's not gonna rip dallas off and cuban won't lowball him. 10-12 per is fair.

Darren · Post #10 » by **Darren** » Thu May 1, 2014 8:35 am

No, I think it's 5-8M PER now. 8M if he's still a starter. 5M if he's eventually a backup. I still want him to hit his milestone there. But the team need to rebuild sooner than later. I think Dirk'd understand that.

Darren · Post #11 » by **Darren** » Thu May 1, 2014 8:37 am

If we are in Anthony talk, I should say go for it. With Dirk making concession, I say sign Stephenson as well. And try to trade Calderon, Dalembert / Wright / Nothing, Ellington, future 1st / Larkin, Mekel for a starting 5. That's what we can hope for.

C - Tyson Chandler / Samuel Dalembert / Isiah Austin (2nd)
PF - Dirk Nowitzki (5M)/ Brandan Wright / Bernad James
SF - Camelo Anthony (17M) / Shawn Marion (3M) / Jae Crowder
SG - Lance Stephenson (10M) / Vince Carter (3M) / Ricky Ledo
PG - Monta Ellis / Devin Harris (3M) / Shane Larkin

Another pick - develop overseas.

Pg81 · Post #12 » by **Pg81** » Thu May 1, 2014 8:52 am

laaboy808 wrote:Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Agreed. Sad to see how quickly people turn their backs on him because of a bad series against the first seeded team.
What did people expect with such a limited roster and Dirk being past his prime?
Duncan has the luxury of playing with two all star caliber team mates albeit Manu is past his prime. What does Dirk have? Vince and Marion are so far removed from their prime it is not even funny anymore despite Vince having a great game.
Outside of the big 3 Spurs have young and dynamic players mostly. Mavs are very old in comparison.
Duncan can rest more than Dirk and his team still is better than the Mavs.

Darren · Post #13 » by **Darren** » Thu May 1, 2014 11:34 am

Pg81 wrote:
laaboy808 wrote:Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Agreed. Sad to see how quickly people turn their backs on him because of a bad series against the first seeded team.
What did people expect with such a limited roster and Dirk being past his prime?
Duncan has the luxury of playing with two all star caliber team mates albeit Manu is past his prime. What does Dirk have? Vince and Marion are so far removed from their prime it is not even funny anymore despite Vince having a great game.
Outside of the big 3 Spurs have young and dynamic players mostly. Mavs are very old in comparison.
Duncan can rest more than Dirk and his team still is better than the Mavs.

It's not about teammate. Dirk's proven equivalent to Splitter's value. Or maybe slightly lower. That's the truth. While you're talking about scoring, you've to pay attention how many points are scored upon Dirk. If you do watch the game, you'll find it vice versa. Dirk's not score enough to cover the easy layups allowed.

Pg81 · Post #14 » by **Pg81** » Thu May 1, 2014 1:16 pm

Darren wrote:
Pg81 wrote:
laaboy808 wrote:Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Agreed. Sad to see how quickly people turn their backs on him because of a bad series against the first seeded team.
What did people expect with such a limited roster and Dirk being past his prime?
Duncan has the luxury of playing with two all star caliber team mates albeit Manu is past his prime. What does Dirk have? Vince and Marion are so far removed from their prime it is not even funny anymore despite Vince having a great game.
Outside of the big 3 Spurs have young and dynamic players mostly. Mavs are very old in comparison.
Duncan can rest more than Dirk and his team still is better than the Mavs.

It's not about teammate. Dirk's proven equivalent to Splitter's value. Or maybe slightly lower. That's the truth. While you're talking about scoring, you've to pay attention how many points are scored upon Dirk. If you do watch the game, you'll find it vice versa. Dirk's not score enough to cover the easy layups allowed.

This is total nonsense.
Dirk is still the major reason that Dallas even made it to the playoffs and is the reason this franchise has a championship and basically 12-13 years of excellence on it's resume now something Splitter cannot even dream of doing. He is a good starter and that's that, I doubt he will ever be an all star much less a superstar of Dirk's caliber ever in his career.
Splitter is not even close to Dirk's overall worth despite having a better series.
I laugh at people propping up his meager double double, something Dirk did routinely in a decade of playoffs being one of 4 players to have 25/10 on average in the playoffs and being the most clutch player since Michael Jordan minus this series.
Not to mention that Dirk just had a 26/15 game at the age of nearly 36. Not many players of his caliber can claim to have that plus just having a 22/6 season on nearly 50/40/90 efficiency again playing only 33 minutes.

Splitter is lucky he is not facing 2006-2011 Dirk, he'd get schooled 24/7 he'd be exactly the type of player Dirk would love to post up and then abuse with fakes and spin moves.
You are too much living in the moment and not seeing the big picture.

Sagittaron · Post #15 » by **Sagittaron** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:36 pm

I agree with Texas Chuck and Pg81 and I would add to what they say said. Look at the players Dirk had to help him out now that he is older and let's compare to what Tim Duncan had since he signed for less with the Spurs. Dirk didn't get much help now, did he? Dirk was the leading scorer in a playoff team in this brutal western conference. Also ask your self this, if you were the coach of a team playing the Mavericks whom would you want taking the shots?

P.S. The fact that we got killed in the PnR in this series is not entirely Dirk's fault. We know who Dirk is for years and that won't change now that he is 36 years old. Give credit to the Spurs for exploiting our deficiencies defensively because it's not just Dirk who's not good defensively, our guards can't contain penetration at all and good PnR defence starts from having guards that can fight over and through screens and contain penetration.

Pg81 · Post #16 » by **Pg81** » Thu May 1, 2014 4:10 pm

Sagittaron wrote:I agree with Texas Chuck and Pg81 and I would add to what they say said. Look at the players Dirk had to help him out now that he is older and let's compare to what Tim Duncan had since he signed for less with the Spurs. Dirk didn't get much help now, did he? Dirk was the leading scorer in a playoff team in this brutal western conference. Also ask your self this, if you were the coach of a team playing the Mavericks whom would you want taking the shots?

P.S. The fact that we got killed in the PnR in this series is not entirely Dirk's fault. We know who Dirk is for years and that won't change now that he is 36 years old. Give credit to the Spurs for exploiting our deficiencies defensively because it's not just Dirk who's not good defensively, our guards can't contain penetration at all and good PnR defence starts from having guards that can fight over and through screens and contain penetration.

The Mavs were one of the worst defensive teams in the regular season and it shows. They basically played above their normal level the first games but are now back on earth and unless RC comes up with something new then I am afraid that Spurs will seal the deal next game.
I hate it that so many just blame Dirk in defense when in reality the entire team is bad at it.
The main problem is not Dirk, it is that the team was filled with band aid solutions for several positions since 2011 championship and they did not have a quality roster ever since.
Mavs are too old and too bad at defense to be a serious contender unless several miracles would happen.

Teffer10 · Post #17 » by **Teffer10** » Thu May 1, 2014 4:10 pm

Just put the RIGHT pieces around him and he'll be fine.
He needs help in scoring throughout the season and better defenders surrounding him.
Get a defending beast as a center and a small forward who can defend as well as score.
Chandler and Josh Smith surrounding him would completely rejuvenate him and positively impact their performances as well.

Pg81 · Post #18 » by **Pg81** » Thu May 1, 2014 4:14 pm

Teffer10 wrote:Just put the RIGHT pieces around him and he'll be fine.
He needs help in scoring throughout the season and better defenders surrounding him.
Get a defending beast as a center and a small forward who can defend as well as score.
Chandler and Josh Smith surrounding him would completely rejuvenate him and positively impact their performances as well.

Pretty much. This Mavs team is a poor mans version of the young Dirk/Nash/Finley core under Nelson but even that team playing run&gun Nellie ball was better at defense than this team.
Calderon isn't nearly as good as 2003 Nash was and Monta is not as good as Finley was.

k-lynch201 · Post #19 » by **k-lynch201** » Thu May 1, 2014 5:10 pm

He is NOT a backup..

But how good he plays or doesnt play doesnt matter to Cuban...they are tight obv.

Its a matter how much of a paycut he will take to let us sign/trade and use up the salary cap space we have.

Vinsanity_GOAT · Post #20 » by **Vinsanity_GOAT** » Thu May 1, 2014 6:10 pm

laaboy808 wrote:Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Who cares that he makes a couple jumpers in the 4th when he's giving up layup after layup on the other end. Who cares that he gets 15 rebounds (most of them fell into his lap anyway) when he's not boxing out and allowing the spurs to get putbacks right under his nose. That performance was a prime example of empty stats.

And let's not forget that dumbass offensive foul off the ball on ginobili at the end of the 3rd... That's something you'd expect from a rookie, not a 35yo 15 year veteran. While irk was on the bench for 3 minutes the team cut the lead from 12 points to 6. So the mavs are on a little roll but diva irk then decides to shove manu for no reason while vince had a wide open layup which would've cut the lead down to 4. And of course for the remaining minute of the third quarter they remain scoreless because the offensive flow is completely gone thanks to irk.

Oh and good job carlisle, let's wait until 3:40 left in the 4th to bring vince back in. It's not like he was the best player on the team or anything. And while irk's getting destroyed on defense just leave him in, don't take him out to stop the spurs' offensive flow.

This series is over unless:
1) irk either plays some defense or gets less minutes, because i pretty much guarantee he won't make that many shots next game. He'll go back to his usual 40% shooting. Not that it matters if he does make them, he's still a negative out there.
2) vince gets more minutes and touches as opposed to having to take bailout shots all game.
3) marion, wright and sammy get some of irk's minutes