Nerlens Noel takes $4.1M qualifying offer from Mavericks

[fuller4379]

Noel was a mistake. It is time to cut our losses and move on. He does not fit the Mavericks mole. The Mavs are interested in hard workers and he isn't one. He has lots of raw talent, but he seems unwilling to work hard enough to get the most out of that talent. I am a little surprised that he wouldn't be motivated to play balls out for this season to get a huge contract next offseason. It was good that the Mavs did not compound this mistake in the offseason by signing him to 4 years and $70 million. He seems to just want to get paid and cheerlead from the bench.

I am glad he is having surgery on his "injury" so it opens up the roster spot to someone who wants to play basketball. I look forward to watching Johnathan Motely play for the Mavs now.

[arkuo]

Funny thing is that I seem to then fall into this lull of tracking how these guys are doing, from Jordan, to Rondo... to the Celtics draft pick who is a French guy who hasn't played much if I'm not mistaken... even to Justin Anderson. "Thankfully" none of them are doing that well... or have made you really regret things.

This Noel trade seems to not have worked out, but the risk was minimal it seems, so it's alright. Like you say, the Mavs do seem like they caught a break in the draft after falling to 9th. Hoping that they don't expose themselves again by finishing outside the top5. Oh and the Mavs also caught a break with the Parsons thing... imagine how toxic it would be if they had his contract around.

With regards to this NN situation, it ends up being a positive that the Mavs didn't cave in to whatever his 'unreasonable' demands might have been. I like him as a player, would love to see him blossoming with the Mavs, but he has not shown nearly enough to justify the Mavs blindly overpaying him... so in the end... it's better this way.

Agreed.With Michael Porter Jr getting back surgery, a consensus number one pick might just fall into our hands again in the 3 to 5 range. Who knows, right? Man, I wish all this luck from th draft came in when we should have picked Giannis. Water under the bridge now.

Speaking of Memphis, I'd pretty much take on Parsons' contract for Wesley Matthews + McRoberts if they add their pick to it. That pick of theirs should land anywhere between 8 and 15. Still not bad.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Who’s trading for him? Has to be a team with the cap room to pay him this summer - maybe Atlanta?

Cleveland? Milwaukee?

[Mr B]

Who’s trading for him? Has to be a team with the cap room to pay him this summer - maybe Atlanta?

Cleveland? Milwaukee?

If the Mavs take on Noah’s contract (and their 1st) the Knicks would be able to pay him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Who’s trading for him? Has to be a team with the cap room to pay him this summer - maybe Atlanta?

Cleveland? Milwaukee?

If the Mavs take on Noah’s contract (and their 1st) the Knicks would be able to pay him.

Why would you take Noah’s money? And New York doesn’t need another center, they need a small forward..

[Mr B]

Who’s trading for him? Has to be a team with the cap room to pay him this summer - maybe Atlanta?

Cleveland? Milwaukee?

If the Mavs take on Noah’s contract (and their 1st) the Knicks would be able to pay him.

Why would you take Noah’s money? And New York doesn’t need another center, they need a small forward..

The Mavs would only take Noah’s money in order to get the Knicks 1st round pick. The reason Knicks would do it would simply be to shed Noah’s contract. Nerlens potentially would be a great fit next to KP. If he does play great they could resign him for less than Noah (not to mention he’s much younger than Noah). If he doesn’t work out the Knicks would have cap space to go get the SF you point out they need. Other than losing their 1st round pick (which will likely be between 13-16) it’s a win for the Knicks.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If the Mavs take on Noah’s contract (and their 1st) the Knicks would be able to pay him.

Why would you take Noah’s money? And New York doesn’t need another center, they need a small forward..

The Mavs would only take Noah’s money in order to get the Knicks 1st round pick. The reason Knicks would do it would simply be to shed Noah’s contract. Nerlens potentially would be a great fit next to KP. If he does play great they could resign him for less than Noah (not to mention he’s much younger than Noah). If he doesn’t work out the Knicks would have cap space to go get the SF you point out they need. Other than losing their 1st round pick (which will likely be between 13-16) it’s a win for the Knicks.

Just surprised you’d take on Noah’s money for a late lotto pick.

[Mr B]

Why would you take Noah’s money? And New York doesn’t need another center, they need a small forward..

The Mavs would only take Noah’s money in order to get the Knicks 1st round pick. The reason Knicks would do it would simply be to shed Noah’s contract. Nerlens potentially would be a great fit next to KP. If he does play great they could resign him for less than Noah (not to mention he’s much younger than Noah). If he doesn’t work out the Knicks would have cap space to go get the SF you point out they need. Other than losing their 1st round pick (which will likely be between 13-16) it’s a win for the Knicks.

Just surprised you’d take on Noah’s money for a late lotto pick.

The Mavs are rebuilding and need all the lotto picks they can get he’ll have two more years after this year on the contract. Basically his contract is horrible for 1 more year beforenit actually becomes an asset (huge expiring contract like McBob’s). They could then flip his expiring deal for another pick or young player to a team struggling to get under the cap.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The Mavs would only take Noah’s money in order to get the Knicks 1st round pick. The reason Knicks would do it would simply be to shed Noah’s contract. Nerlens potentially would be a great fit next to KP. If he does play great they could resign him for less than Noah (not to mention he’s much younger than Noah). If he doesn’t work out the Knicks would have cap space to go get the SF you point out they need. Other than losing their 1st round pick (which will likely be between 13-16) it’s a win for the Knicks.

Just surprised you’d take on Noah’s money for a late lotto pick.

The Mavs are rebuilding and need all the lotto picks they can get he’ll have two more years after this year on the contract. Basically his contract is horrible for 1 more year beforenit actually becomes an asset (huge expiring contract like McBob’s). They could then flip his expiring deal for another pick or young player to a team struggling to get under the cap.

What’s your cap situation, though? I figured Dallas’ best case is to draft a major wing like Doncic and then run hard at Demarcus Cousins or DeAndre Jordan..

[Mr B]

Just surprised you’d take on Noah’s money for a late lotto pick.

The Mavs are rebuilding and need all the lotto picks they can get he’ll have two more years after this year on the contract. Basically his contract is horrible for 1 more year beforenit actually becomes an asset (huge expiring contract like McBob’s). They could then flip his expiring deal for another pick or young player to a team struggling to get under the cap.

What’s your cap situation, though? I figured Dallas’ best case is to draft a major wing like Doncic and then run hard at Demarcus Cousins or DeAndre Jordan..

The Mavs cap situation is actually not bad. They will be one of the few teams with cap space. They will be able to clear more if they can trade Wes Matthews, and Dwight Powell. I have a feeling they want to keep Powell though especially with the way he’s played this year.

I don’t think they make a run at any big time free agents like Cousins. They’ve tried that and failed miserably every time. Plus with them rebuilding Cousins doesn’t really fit that team. Also even though he’s super talented he’s an absolute cancer. If they land if the top 5 of the draft I think they’ll draft their big man (Ayton or Bamba). Then in the 2019 draft they will get their SG or SF when there will be more available.

Their cap space will likely be spent by taking on bad contracts in order to gain assets. Because they will be under the cap they should be able to take on a bad contract or two without having to match the salary when sending someone back. If not then like I said earlier they could include McBob’s expiring contract.

If the Lakers are serious about going after Paul George and Labron would they be willing to give up their 1st this year in order to take Deng’s contract off their hands? Or would the Knicks do the same to get rid of Noah? I’m sure there are other teams too those are just the two prominent teams I can think of.

[Andrew McCeltic]

LA doesn’t have their 1st - it goes to Boston if it’s 2, 3, 4, or 5, otherwise to Philly.

[Mr B]

LA doesn’t have their 1st - it goes to Boston if it’s 2, 3, 4, or 5, otherwise to Philly.

Oh ok, well maybe not them then unless they’d be willing give Ingram in order to dump Deng’s contract. If not then another team in a similar situation and actually has their pick. The thing that does make any trade difficult though is Nerlens’ no trade clause. So it will have to be to a team that Nerlens is ok with being traded too. Don’t the Celtics have a couple of young Euro’s they’re stashing or are getting very limited minutes?

[Andrew McCeltic]

LA doesn’t have their 1st - it goes to Boston if it’s 2, 3, 4, or 5, otherwise to Philly.

Oh ok, well maybe not them then unless they’d be willing give Ingram in order to dump Deng’s contract. If not then another team in a similar situation and actually has their pick. The thing that does make any trade difficult though is Nerlens’ no trade clause. So it will have to be to a team that Nerlens is ok with being traded too. Don’t the Celtics have a couple of young Euro’s they’re stashing or are getting very limited minutes?

Best case for Boston would be that you buy him out and we sign him with our 8.4 million DPE - lets us give him 10 million starting in the summer, 12 million on a second year.. would let him have a make good Evan Turner deal, give us Bird rights at the end of it, and not hurt our cap.

We do have the DPE, and a bunch of young prospects we could trade for him -but getting him on this contract, on his QO, would limit us to offering him 6 million a year in the summer. He loses his Bird rights on any deal, even when he waives the no trade.

[Mr B]

LA doesn’t have their 1st - it goes to Boston if it’s 2, 3, 4, or 5, otherwise to Philly.

Oh ok, well maybe not them then unless they’d be willing give Ingram in order to dump Deng’s contract. If not then another team in a similar situation and actually has their pick. The thing that does make any trade difficult though is Nerlens’ no trade clause. So it will have to be to a team that Nerlens is ok with being traded too. Don’t the Celtics have a couple of young Euro’s they’re stashing or are getting very limited minutes?

Best case for Boston would be that you buy him out and we sign him with our 8.4 million DPE - lets us give him 10 million starting in the summer, 12 million on a second year.. would let him have a make good Evan Turner deal, give us Bird rights at the end of it, and not hurt our cap.

We do have the DPE, and a bunch of young prospects we could trade for him -but getting him on this contract, on his QO, would limit us to offering him 6 million a year in the summer. He loses his Bird rights on any deal, even when he waives the no trade.

That’s a possibility too. Mavs wouldn’t get anything out of the deal but there’s a good chance they’re not getting anything for him anyways. So there’s also a chance they just keep him and let him walk.

If he is traded he can’t be traded until Dec. 15th and the rumor around Dallas has been that there is already a deal in place to trade him somewhere. In spite of getting DNP-CD several times this season or only playing in garbage time he hasn’t balked. He’s sat on the bench and cheered on his teammates. Carlisle was even joking with him to the media last week about the whole hotdog (he bought a hotdog during halftime of a game) incident. Many believe the reason he hasn’t played is because they don’t want him to get injured and have to miss significant time which would kill any trade. Nerlens injures his thumb and had surgery but it’s not a long term injury.

[Teffer10]

Oh ok, well maybe not them then unless they’d be willing give Ingram in order to dump Deng’s contract. If not then another team in a similar situation and actually has their pick. The thing that does make any trade difficult though is Nerlens’ no trade clause. So it will have to be to a team that Nerlens is ok with being traded too. Don’t the Celtics have a couple of young Euro’s they’re stashing or are getting very limited minutes?

Best case for Boston would be that you buy him out and we sign him with our 8.4 million DPE - lets us give him 10 million starting in the summer, 12 million on a second year.. would let him have a make good Evan Turner deal, give us Bird rights at the end of it, and not hurt our cap.

We do have the DPE, and a bunch of young prospects we could trade for him -but getting him on this contract, on his QO, would limit us to offering him 6 million a year in the summer. He loses his Bird rights on any deal, even when he waives the no trade.

That’s a possibility too. Mavs wouldn’t get anything out of the deal but there’s a good chance they’re not getting anything for him anyways. So there’s also a chance they just keep him and let him walk.

If he is traded he can’t be traded until Dec. 15th and the rumor around Dallas has been that there is already a deal in place to trade him somewhere. In spite of getting DNP-CD several times this season or only playing in garbage time he hasn’t balked. He’s sat on the bench and cheered on his teammates. Carlisle was even joking with him to the media last week about the whole hotdog (he bought a hotdog during halftime of a game) incident. Many believe the reason he hasn’t played is because they don’t want him to get injured and have to miss significant time which would kill any trade. Nerlens injures his thumb and had surgery but it’s not a long term injury.

I'm still wondering if the Noel for Randle trade rumor will come to fruition this Friday.
Kinda makes sense for both teams since neither seems to be in the long-term plans. I personally don't see Randle fitting our system but I'd be okay with that deal if it happens.

[Mr B]

Best case for Boston would be that you buy him out and we sign him with our 8.4 million DPE - lets us give him 10 million starting in the summer, 12 million on a second year.. would let him have a make good Evan Turner deal, give us Bird rights at the end of it, and not hurt our cap.

We do have the DPE, and a bunch of young prospects we could trade for him -but getting him on this contract, on his QO, would limit us to offering him 6 million a year in the summer. He loses his Bird rights on any deal, even when he waives the no trade.

That’s a possibility too. Mavs wouldn’t get anything out of the deal but there’s a good chance they’re not getting anything for him anyways. So there’s also a chance they just keep him and let him walk.

If he is traded he can’t be traded until Dec. 15th and the rumor around Dallas has been that there is already a deal in place to trade him somewhere. In spite of getting DNP-CD several times this season or only playing in garbage time he hasn’t balked. He’s sat on the bench and cheered on his teammates. Carlisle was even joking with him to the media last week about the whole hotdog (he bought a hotdog during halftime of a game) incident. Many believe the reason he hasn’t played is because they don’t want him to get injured and have to miss significant time which would kill any trade. Nerlens injures his thumb and had surgery but it’s not a long term injury.

I'm still wondering if the Noel for Randle trade rumor will come to fruition this Friday.
Kinda makes sense for both teams since neither seems to be in the long-term plans. I personally don't see Randle fitting our system but I'd be okay with that deal if it happens.

Yea I’d be ok with a straight up trade of Nerlens for Randle. I agree that Randle likely would not stick around with the Mavs but you never know. He’s actually from Dallas so maybe playing in his hometown lights a fire under him, not likely but possible.

[Teffer10]

That’s a possibility too. Mavs wouldn’t get anything out of the deal but there’s a good chance they’re not getting anything for him anyways. So there’s also a chance they just keep him and let him walk.

If he is traded he can’t be traded until Dec. 15th and the rumor around Dallas has been that there is already a deal in place to trade him somewhere. In spite of getting DNP-CD several times this season or only playing in garbage time he hasn’t balked. He’s sat on the bench and cheered on his teammates. Carlisle was even joking with him to the media last week about the whole hotdog (he bought a hotdog during halftime of a game) incident. Many believe the reason he hasn’t played is because they don’t want him to get injured and have to miss significant time which would kill any trade. Nerlens injures his thumb and had surgery but it’s not a long term injury.

I'm still wondering if the Noel for Randle trade rumor will come to fruition this Friday.
Kinda makes sense for both teams since neither seems to be in the long-term plans. I personally don't see Randle fitting our system but I'd be okay with that deal if it happens.

Yea I’d be ok with a straight up trade of Nerlens for Randle. I agree that Randle likely would not stick around with the Mavs but you never know. He’s actually from Dallas so maybe playing in his hometown lights a fire under him, not likely but possible.

With Powell and Kleber playing well I'm not sure where Randle would get minutes unless one of those two get dealt. I think Kleber should be a definite keeper unless he can be part of a deal that yields a young budding star or potential high draft pick.

[Mr B]

I'm still wondering if the Noel for Randle trade rumor will come to fruition this Friday.
Kinda makes sense for both teams since neither seems to be in the long-term plans. I personally don't see Randle fitting our system but I'd be okay with that deal if it happens.

Yea I’d be ok with a straight up trade of Nerlens for Randle. I agree that Randle likely would not stick around with the Mavs but you never know. He’s actually from Dallas so maybe playing in his hometown lights a fire under him, not likely but possible.

With Powell and Kleber playing well I'm not sure where Randle would get minutes unless one of those two get dealt. I think Kleber should be a definite keeper unless he can be part of a deal that yields a young budding star or potential high draft pick.

I’ve been really surprised at how good Kleber is. He definitely looks like a keep. I’m still on the fence about Powell. I’m still hoping he gets traded at the deadline. His value is as high as it’s probably ever been.

[Teffer10]

Yea I’d be ok with a straight up trade of Nerlens for Randle. I agree that Randle likely would not stick around with the Mavs but you never know. He’s actually from Dallas so maybe playing in his hometown lights a fire under him, not likely but possible.

With Powell and Kleber playing well I'm not sure where Randle would get minutes unless one of those two get dealt. I think Kleber should be a definite keeper unless he can be part of a deal that yields a young budding star or potential high draft pick.

I’ve been really surprised at how good Kleber is. He definitely looks like a keep. I’m still on the fence about Powell. I’m still hoping he gets traded at the deadline. His value is as high as it’s probably ever been.

Yeah, I'd love to move Powell and let Motley get some burn in his place. If Motley doesn't pan out then we can look at drafting for that position or even consider Kleber as a long-term solution.

Powell, Noel, Curry, Barea, Harris, Matthews, McRoberts, Mejri and Withey should all be on the trading block. Most of them should have some trade value and could hopefully bring back some youth and picks. I'm not opposed to keeping Powell but just think Kleber and Motley could yield about the same or more for a very small fraction of the cost. I don't think Kleber has reached his ceiling and could eventually become true starter material on a good team. Powell is a career backup rotation player at best and Motley is still a huge question mark.
Either way I think Powell should be the odd man out and like you said his trade value is probably at its peak.

[Absinthe]

The Lakers backed out of the Randle trade because Noel elected to get surgery. So he continues to haunt this team. The Mavs need to do a better job of evaluating character. The Rondo and Noel trades have been disastrous because both have gotten to Dallas and completely gave up.

At this point, clear the roster next year. Harris and JJ are too old. If Dirk wants to play, bring him off the bench as a shoot first six man.