2017-18 Tank Tracker

arkuo · Post #321 » by **arkuo** » Thu Apr 5, 2018 7:42 pm

fuller4379 wrote:No Dirk for the rest of the season. Heal quickly big guy.

Read on Twitter

That makes sense. No use trying to play to win the next few games to close out the season. He'll be back next year. :nod:

Mr B · Post #322 » by **Mr B** » Thu Apr 5, 2018 11:03 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Mr B wrote:
bran muffin wrote:

The Mavs couldn't attract free agents because an empty roster with a 35 year old Dirk was not an attractive spot for free agents. To attract free agents, the Mavs need young talent and a winning culture.

Between DSJ and this summer's lottery pick, the Mavs could have the young talent to attract free agents next summer. But they also need a winning culture.

That is why the Mavs need to sign a max free agent this summer. So they can win games and attract a better free agent next summer. A 48-34 playoff team headlined by DSJ, Jaren Jackson, Harrison Barnes and Julius Randle is a far more attractive free agent destination than a 20-62 lottery team with DSJ, Jackson and Barnes.

The Mavs have never been able to attract top tier free agents, even when Dirk was young. Hell they had trouble even bringing in middle tier free agents. Remember Rashard Lewis? For whatever reason NBA free agents just do not see Dallas as a destination city.

Other than the draft the best chance they have at attaining quality players is through trades. I’m ok with them not handing out max money to guys like Capela or Randle as long as that cap money is used to take on bad contracts in order to obtain assets (picks or young players).

Mavs couldn't attract free agents because dirk is white and isnt really a social guy, certain guys attract guys to play with them, black urban players aren't going to be lined up to go play with a german guy.

Yea I don’t agree with that at all.

Mr B · Post #323 » by **Mr B** » Thu Apr 5, 2018 11:04 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Mr B wrote:
bran muffin wrote:

The Mavs couldn't attract free agents because an empty roster with a 35 year old Dirk was not an attractive spot for free agents. To attract free agents, the Mavs need young talent and a winning culture.

Between DSJ and this summer's lottery pick, the Mavs could have the young talent to attract free agents next summer. But they also need a winning culture.

That is why the Mavs need to sign a max free agent this summer. So they can win games and attract a better free agent next summer. A 48-34 playoff team headlined by DSJ, Jaren Jackson, Harrison Barnes and Julius Randle is a far more attractive free agent destination than a 20-62 lottery team with DSJ, Jackson and Barnes.

The Mavs have never been able to attract top tier free agents, even when Dirk was young. Hell they had trouble even bringing in middle tier free agents. Remember Rashard Lewis? For whatever reason NBA free agents just do not see Dallas as a destination city.

Other than the draft the best chance they have at attaining quality players is through trades. I’m ok with them not handing out max money to guys like Capela or Randle as long as that cap money is used to take on bad contracts in order to obtain assets (picks or young players).

Mavs couldn’t attract free agents because we never had space to sign marquee guys till about 5 years ago. We were always one of the highest paid teams in the league because we would take on bloated salaries in order to get guys we wanted... Pre luxury tax days, Mark Cuban was one of the few owners willing to do this, which gave us a leg up

This is very possible but I guess we will have to just wait and see who’s right. Until then I’m going with what history has shown.

Pinkyring · Post #324 » by **Pinkyring** » Thu Apr 5, 2018 11:59 pm

Mr B wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
Mr B wrote:
The Mavs have never been able to attract top tier free agents, even when Dirk was young. Hell they had trouble even bringing in middle tier free agents. Remember Rashard Lewis? For whatever reason NBA free agents just do not see Dallas as a destination city.

Other than the draft the best chance they have at attaining quality players is through trades. I’m ok with them not handing out max money to guys like Capela or Randle as long as that cap money is used to take on bad contracts in order to obtain assets (picks or young players).

Mavs couldn't attract free agents because dirk is white and isnt really a social guy, certain guys attract guys to play with them, black urban players aren't going to be lined up to go play with a german guy.

Yea I don’t agree with that at all.

Thats fine but it's the truth, peopoe flock to people with similar backgrounds and things in common that's life bud

fuller4379 · Post #325 » by **fuller4379** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 2:25 am

Brooklyn won today! They are probably the worst team in the NBA considering the fact that losing does nothing for them and they can barely stay ahead of the tank teams.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #326 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 6:59 am

If we can focus on tanking properly 4th pick odds are a lock now that we are not able to play Dirk, Wes, JJB, Noel and let's not forget that Seth missed the season as well.

That is a lot of firepower missing right there.

So last 3 games we got Dennis, Yogi, Barnes, Dougster, DFS, Collinsworth, Jones, Harrison, Salah, Powell, Motley and Kleber

Actually, the team is still too strong so I hope Motley, Harrison, Jones, and Collinsworth all get a lot of minutes.

Tanking effort needs to be turned all the way up. No taking chances we need to lose these last few games.

Renhart · Post #327 » by **Renhart** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:45 am

The last game of the season against Phoenix scares me.

Torgeir Bryn · Post #328 » by **Torgeir Bryn** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 12:43 pm

Mr B wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Mr B wrote:
The Mavs have never been able to attract top tier free agents, even when Dirk was young. Hell they had trouble even bringing in middle tier free agents. Remember Rashard Lewis? For whatever reason NBA free agents just do not see Dallas as a destination city.

Other than the draft the best chance they have at attaining quality players is through trades. I’m ok with them not handing out max money to guys like Capela or Randle as long as that cap money is used to take on bad contracts in order to obtain assets (picks or young players).

Mavs couldn’t attract free agents because we never had space to sign marquee guys till about 5 years ago. We were always one of the highest paid teams in the league because we would take on bloated salaries in order to get guys we wanted... Pre luxury tax days, Mark Cuban was one of the few owners willing to do this, which gave us a leg up

This is very possible but I guess we will have to just wait and see who’s right. Until then I’m going with what history has shown.

History has shown that we did not have cap space during most of Dirk's prime. That's an objective fact. And we can discuss if we would have lured a max contract guy in that period, but that would be pure speculation.

fuller4379 · Post #329 » by **fuller4379** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 1:33 am

Today's loss means the Bulls and Knicks can't catch us. The worst we can do is 7th. The best is 3rd. Most likely between 3 and 6.

We can't catch:
1. Phoenix - 20
2. Memphis - 21

Our group
3. Atlanta - 23
4. Dallas - 24
4. Orlando - 24
6. Sacramento - 25
7. Brooklyn - 26

bran muffin · Post #330 » by **bran muffin** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 1:41 am

fuller4379 wrote:Our group
3. Atlanta - 22
4. Dallas - 24
4. Orlando - 24
6. Sacramento - 25
7. Brooklyn - 26

ATL just won a game. They're now only 1 game ahead of DAL/ORL, with 2 games remaining in the season. If ATL wins one more game, there would be a 3-way tie for 3rd place. As far as lottery odds go, a 3-way tie for 3rd is almost the same as sole possession of 4th.

Either a win from ORL (DAL sole possession of 4th) or a win from ATL (3-way tie for 3rd) will have the same effect on the Mavs' lottery odds. Assuming the Mavs lose both their final games, of course.

Darren · Post #331 » by **Darren** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 2:12 am

Sacremento has got a message to tank. And then, Fox gets it and intentionally gets a backcourt violation. Then, they foul Memphis on purpose. Not allowing Memphis to tank with a super small lineup without playmakers. (No rebounding. No playmaking. That's obviously tanking. How can the league hold such double standard with Memphis?)

Darren · Post #332 » by **Darren** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 2:23 am

Both teams exchange 2 threes in 4 processions. Sacremento wins by 1. Memphis shamelessly gives the last procession away for tanking.

dirkforpres · Post #333 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 2:24 am

Sacramento wins, all but assuring us top 5 odds. Still a slim chance at top 3 but it’s gonna take a lot of help

fuller4379 · Post #334 » by **fuller4379** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 2:30 am

Unless we win the last two game, we are in the top 5.

We can't catch:
1. Phoenix - 20
2. Memphis - 21

Our group
3. Atlanta - 23
4. Dallas - 24
4. Orlando - 24
6. Sacramento - 26
7. Brooklyn - 26

Mr B · Post #335 » by **Mr B** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 4:16 am

Torgeir Bryn wrote:
Mr B wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Mavs couldn’t attract free agents because we never had space to sign marquee guys till about 5 years ago. We were always one of the highest paid teams in the league because we would take on bloated salaries in order to get guys we wanted... Pre luxury tax days, Mark Cuban was one of the few owners willing to do this, which gave us a leg up

This is very possible but I guess we will have to just wait and see who’s right. Until then I’m going with what history has shown.

History has shown that we did not have cap space during most of Dirk's prime. That's an objective fact. And we can discuss if we would have lured a max contract guy in that period, but that would be pure speculation.

The Mavs had cap space when Rashard Lewis was a FA (Dirk was young), they also had cap space when they failed to land Tracy McGrady (also when Dirk was young), they failed on Daron Williams (and he’s from Dallas) , and they failed with Dwight and Howard and Deandre Jordan. All those times they had cap space.

dirkforpres · Post #336 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 5:16 am

Mr B wrote:
Torgeir Bryn wrote:
Mr B wrote:
This is very possible but I guess we will have to just wait and see who’s right. Until then I’m going with what history has shown.

History has shown that we did not have cap space during most of Dirk's prime. That's an objective fact. And we can discuss if we would have lured a max contract guy in that period, but that would be pure speculation.

The Mavs had cap space when Rashard Lewis was a FA (Dirk was young), they also had cap space when they failed to land Tracy McGrady (also when Dirk was young), they failed on Daron Williams (and he’s from Dallas) , and they failed with Dwight and Howard and Deandre Jordan. All those times they had cap space.

I think your reaearch is a bit off.

We offered Rashard Lewis 5 million dollars a year (3/15) compared to 13 million a year from Seattle (5/65). He would have been insane to turn down 50 million dollars.

McGrady was never a serious target in free agency either... He was between Chicago, Miami, and Orlando almost the entire time. Saying we missed out on him is like saying we missed out on Lebron in 2010... we never stood a chance. Also we were the 3rd highest paid team in the league.. Not sure where you had us having cap space for a max contract with all of that.

Deandre, Dwight, Deron, and Whiteside were all in the past 5 years when we actually finally had space available but by that point Dirk is old and we have no point guard that would attract any big man.... or no big man to attract a PG.

Mr B · Post #337 » by **Mr B** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 6:24 am

dirkforpres wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Torgeir Bryn wrote:
History has shown that we did not have cap space during most of Dirk's prime. That's an objective fact. And we can discuss if we would have lured a max contract guy in that period, but that would be pure speculation.

The Mavs had cap space when Rashard Lewis was a FA (Dirk was young), they also had cap space when they failed to land Tracy McGrady (also when Dirk was young), they failed on Daron Williams (and he’s from Dallas) , and they failed with Dwight and Howard and Deandre Jordan. All those times they had cap space.

I think your reaearch is a bit off.

We offered Rashard Lewis 5 million dollars a year (3/15) compared to 13 million a year from Seattle (5/65). He would have been insane to turn down 50 million dollars.

McGrady was never a serious target in free agency either... He was between Chicago, Miami, and Orlando almost the entire time. Saying we missed out on him is like saying we missed out on Lebron in 2010... we never stood a chance. Also we were the 3rd highest paid team in the league.. Not sure where you had us having cap space for a max contract with all of that.

Deandre, Dwight, Deron, and Whiteside were all in the past 5 years when we actually finally had space available but by that point Dirk is old and we have no point guard that would attract any big man.... or no big man to attract a PG.

You’re missing the point. NONE of them seriously considered Dallas an option. Regardless of the money, none wanted to play in Dallas.

daoneandonly · Post #338 » by **daoneandonly** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 12:54 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Mavs couldn't attract free agents because dirk is white and isnt really a social guy, certain guys attract guys to play with them, black urban players aren't going to be lined up to go play with a german guy.

Yea I don’t agree with that at all.

Thats fine but it's the truth, peopoe flock to people with similar backgrounds and things in common that's life bud

Yea because there wouldn't be other guys on the team with similar backgrounds that they could not relate to, the whole team was whities. Dallas couldn't attract FA because Cuban and Nelson were foolish with how they spent their $$ during Dirk's prime years, we had Juwan Howard, Antoine Walker, Antawn Jamison, Raef LaFrentz, Michael Finley, heck Evan Esmeyer all making way more money than they deserved. Shaq wanted to play with Dirgk whefn he wanted out of LA, T Mac did too, but we dfidnt have cap space to getg them or trade assets to attain them. Not a race issue, a mismanagement issue.

dirkforpres · Post #339 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 12:59 pm

Mr B wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Mr B wrote:
The Mavs had cap space when Rashard Lewis was a FA (Dirk was young), they also had cap space when they failed to land Tracy McGrady (also when Dirk was young), they failed on Daron Williams (and he’s from Dallas) , and they failed with Dwight and Howard and Deandre Jordan. All those times they had cap space.

I think your reaearch is a bit off.

We offered Rashard Lewis 5 million dollars a year (3/15) compared to 13 million a year from Seattle (5/65). He would have been insane to turn down 50 million dollars.

McGrady was never a serious target in free agency either... He was between Chicago, Miami, and Orlando almost the entire time. Saying we missed out on him is like saying we missed out on Lebron in 2010... we never stood a chance. Also we were the 3rd highest paid team in the league.. Not sure where you had us having cap space for a max contract with all of that.

Deandre, Dwight, Deron, and Whiteside were all in the past 5 years when we actually finally had space available but by that point Dirk is old and we have no point guard that would attract any big man.... or no big man to attract a PG.

You’re missing the point. NONE of them seriously considered Dallas an option. Regardless of the money, none wanted to play in Dallas.

I’m sure they all seriously considered Dallas.. Now you are just speculating. Aside from Dwight, all of those players chose to remain where they were rather than move... And in all of those players cases, they chose a team with either more money, a better supporting cast, or both.

Young talented free agents that choose to leave are doing so in order to team up with other young stars, and typically more than just 1 now that big 3s are essential to championship dreams. When is the last time we had cap space AND young talent to sell free agents with? The Three J’s?

Darren · Post #340 » by **Darren** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 1:06 pm

fuller4379 wrote:Unless we win the last two game, we are in the top 5.

We can't catch:
1. Phoenix - 20
2. Memphis - 21

Our group
3. Atlanta - 23
4. Dallas - 24
4. Orlando - 24
6. Sacramento - 26
7. Brooklyn - 26

Is it new nba record in losing?