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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1761 » by arkuo » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:02 pm

If Cuban plans to build via the trade market, then he should be working the phone lines for Bradley Beal by taking on John Wall's contract. We're one of the few teams who can take that albatross in. And it's no different from how we took in KP as long as we took in Courtney Lee and THJ too.

Wall's contract is obviously bigger (possibly the worst in the NBA) but you get Bradley Beal along with it. We have zero picks, zero young talent to trade and near zero cap room. If we can send out Lee + THJ + Powell + Wright + Curry for Wall and Beal, I'm good with that. Wiz get out of Wall's contract to rebuild, we get an All-NBA talent in Beal as a third all star to go with Luka and KP.

I understand the concerns with having Wall's contract, but what are you gonna do with all that cap space you save up for when all you can sign is freakin Delon Wright every summer. Have Cuban swallow Wall's contract to get Beal. That's a risk he shoulders to acquire all NBA talent, and it's no different from how we got KP. Sign someone else like Bruno Caboclo and the Hernangomez brothers with the money left + MLE to fill out the roster.

C- Porzingis / W.Hernangomez / Marjanovic
PF- Caboclo / J.Hernangomez / Kleber
SF- Jackson / DFS
SG- Beal / Reaves / Broekhoff
PG- Doncic/ Brunson
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1762 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:35 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:
jpengland wrote:
You are being deliberately asinine right?

KP and Kleber are both three point shooters and stretch the floor. There is literally no argument to that, it's a fact.

Yeah moronic alternative truth opinion :lol:
All our bigs can hit a 3. Could their percentages be a little better, sure, definitely. But KP is a good 3pt shooter, Maxi and Dwight can hit it in the 30%+ range, heck even Boban can let it rip from deep.

Im not disputing that they can hit the 3 the statement was about 3 point shooters, none of our bigs are 3 point shooters, kp maybe but he hasn't played in two years, powell and maxi arent shooters at all

I don't necessarily disagree with our centers not being 3pt shooters per se, but we'll be shooting more 3s this year as a team and it appears Rick will spread the floor even more with our bigs based on comments Coop made the other day.
My point wasn't with our current centers as much as it is about us giving up assets to acquire another center (Bamba) who can't shoot 3s. I just don't see the FO looking for a center. However I must admit Bamba is a better 3pt shooter than I originally thought.

My guess is that our rebounding and interior defense will be so horrid next season that we'll be forced to make a move for more traditional center by the TDL.
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1763 » by jpengland » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:26 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:
jpengland wrote:
You are being deliberately asinine right?

KP and Kleber are both three point shooters and stretch the floor. There is literally no argument to that, it's a fact.

Yeah moronic alternative truth opinion :lol:
All our bigs can hit a 3. Could their percentages be a little better, sure, definitely. But KP is a good 3pt shooter, Maxi and Dwight can hit it in the 30%+ range, heck even Boban can let it rip from deep.

Im not disputing that they can hit the 3 the statement was about 3 point shooters, none of our bigs are 3 point shooters, kp maybe but he hasn't played in two years, powell and maxi arent shooters at all


Kleber shoots league average on about 3 per game


How is he not a three point shooter?
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1764 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:33 pm

arkuo wrote:If Cuban plans to build via the trade market, then he should be working the phone lines for Bradley Beal by taking on John Wall's contract. We're one of the few teams who can take that albatross in. And it's no different from how we took in KP as long as we took in Courtney Lee and THJ too.

Wall's contract is obviously bigger (possibly the worst in the NBA) but you get Bradley Beal along with it. We have zero picks, zero young talent to trade and near zero cap room. If we can send out Lee + THJ + Powell + Wright + Curry for Wall and Beal, I'm good with that. Wiz get out of Wall's contract to rebuild, we get an All-NBA talent in Beal as a third all star to go with Luka and KP.

I understand the concerns with having Wall's contract, but what are you gonna do with all that cap space you save up for when all you can sign is freakin Delon Wright every summer. Have Cuban swallow Wall's contract to get Beal. That's a risk he shoulders to acquire all NBA talent, and it's no different from how we got KP. Sign someone else like Bruno Caboclo and the Hernangomez brothers with the money left + MLE to fill out the roster.

C- Porzingis / W.Hernangomez / Marjanovic
PF- Caboclo / J.Hernangomez / Kleber
SF- Jackson / DFS
SG- Beal / Reaves / Broekhoff
PG- Doncic/ Brunson


I don't think the numbers would work.
Beal and Wall are about 65mil in salary and I don't see where we'd have the contracts to even come close to matching.
THJ (18), Lee (13) and Powell (10) = 41 and the next highest tradeable (outside of Luka and KP) would be Jackson at 3.5.
So basically we'd be 20mil short if my calculations are correct.
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1765 » by Pinkyring » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:37 pm

jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:Yeah moronic alternative truth opinion :lol:
All our bigs can hit a 3. Could their percentages be a little better, sure, definitely. But KP is a good 3pt shooter, Maxi and Dwight can hit it in the 30%+ range, heck even Boban can let it rip from deep.

Im not disputing that they can hit the 3 the statement was about 3 point shooters, none of our bigs are 3 point shooters, kp maybe but he hasn't played in two years, powell and maxi arent shooters at all


Kleber shoots league average on about 3 per game


How is he not a three point shooter?

On low volume and 1 season, he is a guy that shoots 3s he isn't a 3 point shooter there is a big difference, we have 1 3 point shooter on this team and thats seth, everybody else is hit or miss. Regardless you dont take 1 season and conclude a person has that skillset.
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1766 » by arkuo » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:07 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
arkuo wrote:If Cuban plans to build via the trade market, then he should be working the phone lines for Bradley Beal by taking on John Wall's contract. We're one of the few teams who can take that albatross in. And it's no different from how we took in KP as long as we took in Courtney Lee and THJ too.

Wall's contract is obviously bigger (possibly the worst in the NBA) but you get Bradley Beal along with it. We have zero picks, zero young talent to trade and near zero cap room. If we can send out Lee + THJ + Powell + Wright + Curry for Wall and Beal, I'm good with that. Wiz get out of Wall's contract to rebuild, we get an All-NBA talent in Beal as a third all star to go with Luka and KP.

I understand the concerns with having Wall's contract, but what are you gonna do with all that cap space you save up for when all you can sign is freakin Delon Wright every summer. Have Cuban swallow Wall's contract to get Beal. That's a risk he shoulders to acquire all NBA talent, and it's no different from how we got KP. Sign someone else like Bruno Caboclo and the Hernangomez brothers with the money left + MLE to fill out the roster.

C- Porzingis / W.Hernangomez / Marjanovic
PF- Caboclo / J.Hernangomez / Kleber
SF- Jackson / DFS
SG- Beal / Reaves / Broekhoff
PG- Doncic/ Brunson


I don't think the numbers would work.
Beal and Wall are about 65mil in salary and I don't see where we'd have the contracts to even come close to matching.
THJ (18), Lee (13) and Powell (10) = 41 and the next highest tradeable (outside of Luka and KP) would be Jackson at 3.5.
So basically we'd be 20mil short if my calculations are correct.


Worked with the trade checker now. But maybe because we still have $14M open? I dont know.

If Washington is open to dealing beal by Dec 15 because they couldn't sign him to an extension then that would just be exactly like the KP extension with New York.

Beal would be a perfect 2 guard opposite Luka. It's a league that wins with wings in the playoffs. Then Cuban can sit John Wall for 3 years until Rich Paul accepts a buy out. :lol:
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1767 » by jpengland » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:05 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Im not disputing that they can hit the 3 the statement was about 3 point shooters, none of our bigs are 3 point shooters, kp maybe but he hasn't played in two years, powell and maxi arent shooters at all


Kleber shoots league average on about 3 per game


How is he not a three point shooter?

On low volume and 1 season, he is a guy that shoots 3s he isn't a 3 point shooter there is a big difference, we have 1 3 point shooter on this team and thats seth, everybody else is hit or miss. Regardless you dont take 1 season and conclude a person has that skillset.


Have you heard of a guy named Luka?
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1768 » by Pinkyring » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:20 pm

jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Kleber shoots league average on about 3 per game


How is he not a three point shooter?

On low volume and 1 season, he is a guy that shoots 3s he isn't a 3 point shooter there is a big difference, we have 1 3 point shooter on this team and thats seth, everybody else is hit or miss. Regardless you dont take 1 season and conclude a person has that skillset.


Have you heard of a guy named Luka?

Yes the below aver 3 point shooter on our roster that shot it at 33% whag does he have to do with anything? Maybe you should stop talking you sound ridiculous
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1769 » by jpengland » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:41 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:On low volume and 1 season, he is a guy that shoots 3s he isn't a 3 point shooter there is a big difference, we have 1 3 point shooter on this team and thats seth, everybody else is hit or miss. Regardless you dont take 1 season and conclude a person has that skillset.


Have you heard of a guy named Luka?

Yes the below aver 3 point shooter on our roster that shot it at 33% whag does he have to do with anything? Maybe you should stop talking you sound ridiculous


So Doncic isn't a three point shooter.

Kleber isn't a three point shooter.

Porzingis isn't a three point shooter.

Brunson isn't a three point shooter.

Jackson isn't a three point shooter.

JJ Barea isn't a three point shooter.

How many teams actually have multiple shooters? Because we seem to be narrowing the definition of a three point shooter someehat.
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1770 » by Lowtech801 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:38 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:On low volume and 1 season, he is a guy that shoots 3s he isn't a 3 point shooter there is a big difference, we have 1 3 point shooter on this team and thats seth, everybody else is hit or miss. Regardless you dont take 1 season and conclude a person has that skillset.


Have you heard of a guy named Luka?

Yes the below aver 3 point shooter on our roster that shot it at 33% whag does he have to do with anything? Maybe you should stop talking you sound ridiculous
I think you're conflating 3point shooter with 3point specialist.

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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1771 » by bobsquad » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:39 pm

FWIW adding defense on the wing with Wright could open some minutes opportunities for Broekhoff, who is very much a shooter. Now, I don't expect much of him, but the team at least plans to give him a look.
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1772 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:53 pm

bobsquad wrote:FWIW adding defense on the wing with Wright could open some minutes opportunities for Broekhoff, who is very much a shooter. Now, I don't expect much of him, but the team at least plans to give him a look.

Broekoff is a guy who could flourish this season if given minutes. I'm not sure how he'll get them in the current situation but he is definitely a 3pt shooter that would complement Luka well by spreading the floor.
I think Broek will get an opportunity at some point this season.
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1773 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:02 pm

arkuo wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:
arkuo wrote:If Cuban plans to build via the trade market, then he should be working the phone lines for Bradley Beal by taking on John Wall's contract. We're one of the few teams who can take that albatross in. And it's no different from how we took in KP as long as we took in Courtney Lee and THJ too.

Wall's contract is obviously bigger (possibly the worst in the NBA) but you get Bradley Beal along with it. We have zero picks, zero young talent to trade and near zero cap room. If we can send out Lee + THJ + Powell + Wright + Curry for Wall and Beal, I'm good with that. Wiz get out of Wall's contract to rebuild, we get an All-NBA talent in Beal as a third all star to go with Luka and KP.

I understand the concerns with having Wall's contract, but what are you gonna do with all that cap space you save up for when all you can sign is freakin Delon Wright every summer. Have Cuban swallow Wall's contract to get Beal. That's a risk he shoulders to acquire all NBA talent, and it's no different from how we got KP. Sign someone else like Bruno Caboclo and the Hernangomez brothers with the money left + MLE to fill out the roster.

C- Porzingis / W.Hernangomez / Marjanovic
PF- Caboclo / J.Hernangomez / Kleber
SF- Jackson / DFS
SG- Beal / Reaves / Broekhoff
PG- Doncic/ Brunson


I don't think the numbers would work.
Beal and Wall are about 65mil in salary and I don't see where we'd have the contracts to even come close to matching.
THJ (18), Lee (13) and Powell (10) = 41 and the next highest tradeable (outside of Luka and KP) would be Jackson at 3.5.
So basically we'd be 20mil short if my calculations are correct.


Worked with the trade checker now. But maybe because we still have $14M open? I dont know.

If Washington is open to dealing beal by Dec 15 because they couldn't sign him to an extension then that would just be exactly like the KP extension with New York.

Beal would be a perfect 2 guard opposite Luka. It's a league that wins with wings in the playoffs. Then Cuban can sit John Wall for 3 years until Rich Paul accepts a buy out. :lol:

I could be wrong but my understanding is that we don't have much (if any) cap space to sign anymore players or absorb extra salary in any deals. We still have about 11mil left of our TPE that can be used in a trade but if I understand that correctly we can't package that with any players.

What was your deal in the trade checker?
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1774 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:16 pm

arkuo wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:
arkuo wrote:If Cuban plans to build via the trade market, then he should be working the phone lines for Bradley Beal by taking on John Wall's contract. We're one of the few teams who can take that albatross in. And it's no different from how we took in KP as long as we took in Courtney Lee and THJ too.

Wall's contract is obviously bigger (possibly the worst in the NBA) but you get Bradley Beal along with it. We have zero picks, zero young talent to trade and near zero cap room. If we can send out Lee + THJ + Powell + Wright + Curry for Wall and Beal, I'm good with that. Wiz get out of Wall's contract to rebuild, we get an All-NBA talent in Beal as a third all star to go with Luka and KP.

I understand the concerns with having Wall's contract, but what are you gonna do with all that cap space you save up for when all you can sign is freakin Delon Wright every summer. Have Cuban swallow Wall's contract to get Beal. That's a risk he shoulders to acquire all NBA talent, and it's no different from how we got KP. Sign someone else like Bruno Caboclo and the Hernangomez brothers with the money left + MLE to fill out the roster.

C- Porzingis / W.Hernangomez / Marjanovic
PF- Caboclo / J.Hernangomez / Kleber
SF- Jackson / DFS
SG- Beal / Reaves / Broekhoff
PG- Doncic/ Brunson


I don't think the numbers would work.
Beal and Wall are about 65mil in salary and I don't see where we'd have the contracts to even come close to matching.
THJ (18), Lee (13) and Powell (10) = 41 and the next highest tradeable (outside of Luka and KP) would be Jackson at 3.5.
So basically we'd be 20mil short if my calculations are correct.


Worked with the trade checker now. But maybe because we still have $14M open? I dont know.

If Washington is open to dealing beal by Dec 15 because they couldn't sign him to an extension then that would just be exactly like the KP extension with New York.

Beal would be a perfect 2 guard opposite Luka. It's a league that wins with wings in the playoffs. Then Cuban can sit John Wall for 3 years until Rich Paul accepts a buy out. :lol:

trade works even with excluding Curry: (Beal + Wall salary) * 0.8 - 100,000 = 52,133,615.2 < = 52,517,856 = (THJ + Lee + Wright + Powell salary)
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1775 » by Pinkyring » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:17 pm

Lowtech801 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Have you heard of a guy named Luka?

Yes the below aver 3 point shooter on our roster that shot it at 33% whag does he have to do with anything? Maybe you should stop talking you sound ridiculous
I think you're conflating 3point shooter with 3point specialist.

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No im not, average is 36% anything below that is bad, a specialist is mid 40s, just because u shoot 3s doesn't mean you should or are a shooter
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1776 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:33 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Lowtech801 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Yes the below aver 3 point shooter on our roster that shot it at 33% whag does he have to do with anything? Maybe you should stop talking you sound ridiculous
I think you're conflating 3point shooter with 3point specialist.

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No im not, average is 36% anything below that is bad, a specialist is mid 40s, just because u shoot 3s doesn't mean you should or are a shooter

Seems to be a matter of semantics but I think the FO will consider everyone on the team as a "3pt shooter" this season.
Wouldn't be surprised if everyone will have the greenlight to shoot 3s when open.
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1777 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:37 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:
I don't think the numbers would work.
Beal and Wall are about 65mil in salary and I don't see where we'd have the contracts to even come close to matching.
THJ (18), Lee (13) and Powell (10) = 41 and the next highest tradeable (outside of Luka and KP) would be Jackson at 3.5.
So basically we'd be 20mil short if my calculations are correct.


Worked with the trade checker now. But maybe because we still have $14M open? I dont know.

If Washington is open to dealing beal by Dec 15 because they couldn't sign him to an extension then that would just be exactly like the KP extension with New York.

Beal would be a perfect 2 guard opposite Luka. It's a league that wins with wings in the playoffs. Then Cuban can sit John Wall for 3 years until Rich Paul accepts a buy out. :lol:

trade works even with excluding Curry: (Beal + Wall salary) * 0.8 - 100,000 = 52,133,615.2 < = 52,517,856 = (THJ + Lee + Wright + Powell salary)

Ah, ok...I wasn't including Wright and/or Curry because I thought we'd have to wait until December to trade them.
Is that correct?
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1778 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:41 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Lowtech801 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Yes the below aver 3 point shooter on our roster that shot it at 33% whag does he have to do with anything? Maybe you should stop talking you sound ridiculous
I think you're conflating 3point shooter with 3point specialist.

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No im not, average is 36% anything below that is bad, a specialist is mid 40s, just because u shoot 3s doesn't mean you should or are a shooter

2018-2019 3pt % leaders

1. Joe Harris • BRK .474
2. Danny Green • TOR .455
3. Seth Curry • POR .450
4. Stephen Curry • GSW .437
5. Danilo Gallinari • LAC .433
6. Dāvis Bertāns • SAS .429
7. Buddy Hield • SAC .427
8. Malcolm Brogdon • MIL .426
Bryn Forbes • SAS .426
10. Bojan Bogdanović • IND .425

Career 3pt % leaders

1. Steve Kerr .4540
2. Hubert Davis .4409
3. Seth Curry .4388
4. Dražen Petrović .4374
5. Stephen Curry .4364
6. Jason Kapono .4336
7. Tim Legler .4312
8. Steve Novak .4301
9. Kyle Korver .4292
10. Steve Nash .4278
11. Joe Harris .4274
12. B.J. Armstrong .4250
13. Klay Thompson .4190
14. Buddy Hield .4186
15. Wesley Person .4176
16. Anthony Morrow .4166
17. Matt Bonner .4145
18. J.J. Redick .4127
19. Dana Barros .4110
20. Joe Ingles .4084
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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1779 » by Lowtech801 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:27 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Lowtech801 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Yes the below aver 3 point shooter on our roster that shot it at 33% whag does he have to do with anything? Maybe you should stop talking you sound ridiculous
I think you're conflating 3point shooter with 3point specialist.

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No im not, average is 36% anything below that is bad, a specialist is mid 40s, just because u shoot 3s doesn't mean you should or are a shooter
Anything above 33% equals the same efficiency as going 50% from the field. So anything above 33% should qualify as 3pt shooter. Anything in the 40% range not 45 is specialist territory.

Edit: i agree that Powell isn't a 3 pt shooter as he's only been at or above 33% once. Kleber has also only been at or above once but it was also only his 2nd yr in the league while also doubling the amount of attempts from 3. KP has always been a 3pt shooter.

Edit2: Bottom line is it doesn't matter what you call it if you can hit 33% or better you'll get the respect to create good spacing.

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Re: Mavericks Summer of 2019 

Post#1780 » by bobsquad » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:12 am

Doesn't Washington probably want picks for Beal? Wish we could put together an attractive package, but it will take more than salary dump to entice a rebuilding team.

We got lucky with Porzingis that the Knicks knew they were signing Durant and Kyrie and priority #1 was to clear space before the deadline (also that KP publicly wanted out). And even then we had to include 2 firsts and a recent lottery pick.

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