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Post#41 » by arkuo » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:00 am

bobsquad wrote:Curious what's up with Trey Burke, I thought he finished the season really well. Maybe he's considering the Shane Larkin path of playing in Europe.


I like Trey Burke.

But the Mavs preferred 35 year old JJ Barea with one healthy achilles.
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Post#42 » by Darren » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:24 am

Surprisingly, the Mavs signed Reves to TWC. Hopefully, Roby does not get the last roster spot. I'd much rather have Carter and get Jackson PT at frontcourt.
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Post#43 » by HairyGOATee » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:09 am

Darren wrote:Surprisingly, the Mavs signed Reves to TWC. Hopefully, Roby does not get the last roster spot. I'd much rather have Carter and get Jackson PT at frontcourt.


Reaves earned it. Let's see what he and Roby can do as rookies.
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Post#44 » by Darren » Wed Aug 7, 2019 2:32 am

The Mavs signs Roby to 4-year 6.7M contract with a TO at 4th season. Pretty bad as SL shows. Hopefully, things will look better.

C - Powell / Boban
PF - Zinger / Kleber / Roby
SF - DFS / TH / JJ / Broekhoff
SG - Luka / Curry / Courtney
PG - Wright / Brunson / Barea
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Post#45 » by arkuo » Wed Aug 7, 2019 3:33 am

Roby can be waived if needed. Same as Raymond Spalding last year.
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Post#46 » by bobsquad » Wed Aug 7, 2019 6:46 am

Darren wrote:The Mavs signs Roby to 4-year 6.7M contract with a TO at 4th season. Pretty bad as SL shows. Hopefully, things will look better.

C - Powell / Boban
PF - Zinger / Kleber / Roby
SF - DFS / TH / JJ / Broekhoff
SG - Luka / Curry / Courtney
PG - Wright / Brunson / Barea

The third year is non-guaranteed too. I'm not sure what we have yet with Roby, SL just isn't the environment for role players. DFS looked terrible there too because he was forced into situations on offense that he would never face in real competition.
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Post#47 » by dirkules_41 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 10:38 am

bobsquad wrote:
Darren wrote:The Mavs signs Roby to 4-year 6.7M contract with a TO at 4th season. Pretty bad as SL shows. Hopefully, things will look better.

C - Powell / Boban
PF - Zinger / Kleber / Roby
SF - DFS / TH / JJ / Broekhoff
SG - Luka / Curry / Courtney
PG - Wright / Brunson / Barea

The third year is non-guaranteed too. I'm not sure what we have yet with Roby, SL just isn't the environment for role players. DFS looked terrible there too because he was forced into situations on offense that he would never face in real competition.

Yeah and he still looks terrible and somehow now eats up a fair chunk of capspace inexplicably.
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Post#48 » by HairyGOATee » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:52 am

dirkules_41 wrote:
bobsquad wrote:
Darren wrote:The Mavs signs Roby to 4-year 6.7M contract with a TO at 4th season. Pretty bad as SL shows. Hopefully, things will look better.

C - Powell / Boban
PF - Zinger / Kleber / Roby
SF - DFS / TH / JJ / Broekhoff
SG - Luka / Curry / Courtney
PG - Wright / Brunson / Barea

The third year is non-guaranteed too. I'm not sure what we have yet with Roby, SL just isn't the environment for role players. DFS looked terrible there too because he was forced into situations on offense that he would never face in real competition.

Yeah and he still looks terrible and somehow now eats up a fair chunk of capspace inexplicably.


Could throw him into a trade to make the numbers work out for sure.

But odds are the Mavs will try to develop him.
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Post#49 » by dirkules_41 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:16 pm

HairyGOATee wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:
bobsquad wrote:The third year is non-guaranteed too. I'm not sure what we have yet with Roby, SL just isn't the environment for role players. DFS looked terrible there too because he was forced into situations on offense that he would never face in real competition.

Yeah and he still looks terrible and somehow now eats up a fair chunk of capspace inexplicably.


Could throw him into a trade to make the numbers work out for sure.

But odds are the Mavs will try to develop him.

Yeah they seem to be seeing something that I can't see :D
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Post#50 » by Darren » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:00 pm

dirkules_41 wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:Yeah and he still looks terrible and somehow now eats up a fair chunk of capspace inexplicably.


Could throw him into a trade to make the numbers work out for sure.

But odds are the Mavs will try to develop him.

Yeah they seem to be seeing something that I can't see :D


OK, at least Roby has more proven footwork (offensively one-on-one) and better potential (with long arms) than Spalding. But of course, 45 and 56 is a significant drop in potential. I am not high on Roby after watching SL. At this point, intangible (in particular smart and work ethics) is from questionable to proven awful to me. Yes, Roby makes history being the first player drafted from somewhere. But Roby could also make another history being the first waived in NBA as well.
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Post#51 » by dirkules_41 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:48 pm

Darren wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:
Could throw him into a trade to make the numbers work out for sure.

But odds are the Mavs will try to develop him.

Yeah they seem to be seeing something that I can't see :D


OK, at least Roby has more proven footwork (offensively one-on-one) and better potential (with long arms) than Spalding. But of course, 45 and 56 is a significant drop in potential. I am not high on Roby after watching SL. At this point, intangible (in particular smart and work ethics) is from questionable to proven awful to me. Yes, Roby makes history being the first player drafted from somewhere. But Roby could also make another history being the first waived in NBA as well.

We were talking about DFS. But yes Roby hasn't shown anything either so far.
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Post#52 » by Teffer10 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:24 pm

dirkules_41 wrote:
Darren wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:Yeah they seem to be seeing something that I can't see :D


OK, at least Roby has more proven footwork (offensively one-on-one) and better potential (with long arms) than Spalding. But of course, 45 and 56 is a significant drop in potential. I am not high on Roby after watching SL. At this point, intangible (in particular smart and work ethics) is from questionable to proven awful to me. Yes, Roby makes history being the first player drafted from somewhere. But Roby could also make another history being the first waived in NBA as well.

We were talking about DFS. But yes Roby hasn't shown anything either so far.

Robey and DFS have one thing going for them and that is the west is star studded with wings and guards and those two's strengths are their ability to defend multiple positions.
They will however need to be some type of threat offensively or it will be tough for either of them to see the floor because most teams will need at minimum 4 scoring threats, and in our offense and situation most likely 5 in order to compete with the elite teams.
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Post#53 » by dirkules_41 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:14 pm

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dirkules_41 wrote:
Darren wrote:
OK, at least Roby has more proven footwork (offensively one-on-one) and better potential (with long arms) than Spalding. But of course, 45 and 56 is a significant drop in potential. I am not high on Roby after watching SL. At this point, intangible (in particular smart and work ethics) is from questionable to proven awful to me. Yes, Roby makes history being the first player drafted from somewhere. But Roby could also make another history being the first waived in NBA as well.

We were talking about DFS. But yes Roby hasn't shown anything either so far.

Robey and DFS have one thing going for them and that is the west is star studded with wings and guards and those two's strengths are their ability to defend multiple positions.
They will however need to be some type of threat offensively or it will be tough for either of them to see the floor because most teams will need at minimum 4 scoring threats, and in our offense and situation most likely 5 in order to compete with the elite teams.

My key issue is that everyone talks up DFS's defense but honestly neither his stats nor the eye test convince me that he's a good defender. He's not bad, don't get me wrong but he's definitely no lock down defender.
I feel like he's being labelled a defensive specialist for lack of a better skill really. And in parts due to some Mavs homerism and wishful thinking.
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Post#54 » by Teffer10 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:56 pm

dirkules_41 wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:We were talking about DFS. But yes Roby hasn't shown anything either so far.

Robey and DFS have one thing going for them and that is the west is star studded with wings and guards and those two's strengths are their ability to defend multiple positions.
They will however need to be some type of threat offensively or it will be tough for either of them to see the floor because most teams will need at minimum 4 scoring threats, and in our offense and situation most likely 5 in order to compete with the elite teams.

My key issue is that everyone talks up DFS's defense but honestly neither his stats nor the eye test convince me that he's a good defender. He's not bad, don't get me wrong but he's definitely no lock down defender.
I feel like he's being labelled a defensive specialist for lack of a better skill really. And in parts due to some Mavs homerism and wishful thinking.

Yeah I don't see DFS as a defensive stopper either and neither is Jackson. The problem is that DFS is probably our best 1-4 defender though but that doesn't say a lot and won't help us much with the loaded west wings. Wright will be our best 1-3 defender and Green would have been a great player to have as well but I'm very concerned about defending the bigger SFs like LeBron, George, Zion and some of the others in our conference.

Rick must see something in DFS's defense that we don't see or else they wouldn't have re-signed him because his offense is close to horrible. I honestly think the problem is more with the coaching staff than the fans and that they think he will fill the Marion/Aminu role which is something I don't see happening. I honestly don't see Jackson filling that role either and I have my doubts about Roby.

I am high on Reaves though and hope he can develop into starter material. He seems to have the physical tools but this league has a huge mental element to it and that often is the difference.
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Post#55 » by HairyGOATee » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:11 pm

Yeah, DFS isn't a lockdown defender, but he's better at that than he is anything else.
CARMELO/538 has him as a +0.5 on defense.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/dorian-finney-smith/
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Post#56 » by HairyGOATee » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:51 am

Let's see what these youngbloods have to offer!
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Post#57 » by Darren » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:20 am

I don't expect Memphis to get a first out of AI. An early second could be impressive enough. I think there's a decent chance the Mavs end up with AI from trade. Technically, only Houston, Denver and Dallas is in run for AI's service. Technically, LAL and LAC are interested but in no way could either team offer anything appealing at all. Assume none of the 3 teams listed is willing to part with a first and none is able to absorb a 17M contract. The remaining part is only a second draft position question. Among these 3 teams, the Mavs has a very good chance to have higher draft position than HOU OR DEN. So it's up to the Mavs to decide whether or not a Mavs second rounder is offered. Either way, things might not be very good. AI and Wright are both awful shooter with slow release. I think the Mavs couldn't play both together at the same time.
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Post#58 » by Darren » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:22 am

I also wonder if the Mavs to willing to move the unwanted Courtney for Ibaka. Technically, the Mavs doesn't need to cap room. Ibaka could play a role and is a sizeable expiring approaching trade deadline. A straight up deal could be good for both team.

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