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Who Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#1 » by HairyGOATee » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:34 am

Assuming KP starts at PF this year, then who should start at C?

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Boban
Dwight Powell
Maxi Kleber
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#2 » by bobsquad » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:38 am

I think we all have Powell penciled in as the best fit next to KP. Mostly because he's the only respectable rebounder on this team, but I think their offensive games are different enough to possibly mesh pretty well.
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Post#3 » by HairyGOATee » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:23 am

bobsquad wrote:I think we all have Powell penciled in as the best fit next to KP. Mostly because he's the only respectable rebounder on this team, but I think their offensive games are different enough to possibly mesh pretty well.


Yeah, that's how I have it too, but I also like Kleber at C since he's a better defender than Powell, and better from 3, which can allow KP to play his inside-outside game.

But I like Powell's rim rolling better than Kleber's for sure, and good point with the rebounding. He's a little worse on defense, but he's respectable in that area.
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#4 » by turcorox911 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:07 am

Powell please. Kleber is better against other reserves. Imagine him against guys like Embiid, KAT, AD, LMA, Ayton, etc..
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#5 » by Darren » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:05 am

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/08/kristaps-porzingis-workout-photo-jacked-mavs-nba

Amazing photo. I think KP is more impactful on the defensive end than DJ. KP looks to silence critics and cover all Powell's mistakes from the start. KP's underrated intangible as well. That's a good sign for the first season without Dirk. The work ethics are still locked in the locker room despite retirement.
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#6 » by dirkforpres » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:31 pm

Best lineup for me would be

Wright/Doncic/Jackson/Powell/Porzingis
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Post#7 » by HairyGOATee » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:14 pm

dirkforpres wrote:Best lineup for me would be

Wright/Doncic/Jackson/Powell/Porzingis


Yeah, KP and Powell will be the bigs. KP will probably play C on defense, with Powell playing the role of rim runner on offense, but that's not to say that KP can't catch lobs and that Powell won't step out.

They will pair up well switching with one another on both offense and defense, that's for sure.
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Post#8 » by Teffer10 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:37 pm

Boban….would love to see twin towers in a Rick Carlisle system for once.
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Post#9 » by MrGoat » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:54 pm

I view KP as the starting center with Powell as the starting PF. But if I go by the assumption that KP is the PF then it doesn't change my mind that Powell should be his starting frontcourt mate for his rim running, preferably with at least one of Curry or Broekhoff on the court at most times. That's not to say we shouldn't see a decent dose of Maxi as well
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#10 » by SOUNDCHASER » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:30 am

Boban is one of the most efficient players in the league his PER being 24.25 means he is able to play a very well rounded game.

His rebounding rate is also very high at 20.6 http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate

Hollinger Stats - Rebound Rate - Qualified Players
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
1 Hassan Whiteside, MIA 72 23.3 .564 6.0 10.3 21.9 16.3 35.6 25.9 23.52 322.9 10.8
2 Andre Drummond, DET 79 33.5 .555 7.4 11.5 22.4 16.8 34.7 25.4 23.49 509.4 17.0
3 Ed Davis, BKN 81 17.9 .632 12.2 12.8 12.5 15.8 34.6 25.2 17.28 124.8 4.2
4 DeAndre Jordan, DAL/NY 69 29.7 .674 17.9 17.6 14.4 11.7 35.2 23.5 19.04 257.9 8.6
5 Kevin Love, CLE 22 27.2 .561 11.3 9.9 27.1 5.9 40.0 22.2 19.50 71.4 2.4
6 Rudy Gobert, UTAH 81 31.8 .682 13.1 10.5 17.4 13.2 30.2 21.9 24.60 538.4 17.9
7 Joel Embiid, PHI 64 33.7 .593 12.0 11.6 32.7 8.1 34.0 21.4 26.21 501.8 16.7
8 Enes Kanter, NY/POR 67 24.5 .594 11.6 11.8 22.5 16.3 26.0 21.1 22.36 287.8 9.6
Jonas Valanciunas, TOR/MEM 49 22.3 .616 9.0 11.5 24.7 10.7 31.3 21.1 24.47 225.8 7.5
10 Clint Capela, HOU 67 33.6 .658 9.3 9.1 17.6 14.4 27.6 20.8 23.84 444.4 14.8
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
Domantas Sabonis, IND 74 24.8 .630 17.7 13.3 23.5 11.5 29.8 20.8 21.99 287.8 9.6
12 Willy Hernangomez, CHA 58 14.0 .587 12.6 12.2 21.8 15.3 26.3 20.7 20.41 118.8 4.0
13 Boban Marjanovic, LAC/PHI 58 11.7 .664 12.5 13.7 23.7 14.0 26.9 20.6 24.25 138.8 4.6
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#11 » by SOUNDCHASER » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:48 am

Boban is a future fan favorite because he is going to produce in a big way. The only problem with him is his lack of foot speed but ideally he has been in the league long enough to learn how to compensate and play in such a way that he minimizes the mistakes and hopefully the team learns to help out and he learns to accept help from others who can back him up so that they can help out and cheat towards covering his guy when he has to deal with a bullet who is so fast they can buzz right by him. A nice team effort that protects the rim from the fast guys getting ez layups will be required no matter who plays the 5. Maybe DeLon is able to defend the fast guys well enough that he is not blowing the assignment and letting his guy get by him too ez theyd beat the slow guy we have gaurding the rim along with KP.

Starting Bob is a good idea because it takes away the opportunity for the big centers to push KP and Powell around plus when Boban is getting the ball inside he is going to score on anyone and by having that game we can start putting the other teams bigs into foul trouble early in the game.

Also then we can help Boban play more because he can rest a while and then come back into the game some and then rest awhile again and be fresh to come back into the game and get a chance to play more by spacing out his minutes so his lack of conditioning is not as much of a problem. Starting him early lets him have the whole game to space out his minutes instead of trying to cram them all into a few places. I think his game will be better than Powells and Klebers whose games are more predicated on playing against the less effective bigs on other teams not the starters that would spank them and make them their little bitch. Boban is a real center who can do things that no other center in the league can do so you respect that kind of guy and let him have the shot to be the man instead of letting some undersized PF try to do the job.
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#12 » by SOUNDCHASER » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:04 am

Fast guys that buzz by Bob will also buzz by Powell because they are going to do what they do anyway. I say why not play a game that takes away the other aspects of the other teams offense that Bob can take away and let the other team have less options to score on us this way the game is only about stopping the waterbugs because they have to play us that way because they are not going to be able to feed a big inside against Bob and have any success. Then we just have to deal with one method that they can use to attack us.


By limiting their options we can work on getting our back court guys going to stop the water bugs and then let DeLon do his job. Luka DeLon Seth and Brunson can defend well enough to limit the other teams guards and get some steals and cause them to make turnovers.

Take away the inside game and make them live or die by their 3's.

With the way Luka can feed the ball into the open man we won't need to worry about getting out shot and with our improved 3 point shooting we are going to win a lot with our inside out game.
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#13 » by bobsquad » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:00 am

From what I understand about Boban, his weakness is not so much defensive matchups as just what his body can handle. He's played over 20 minutes in just 16 regular season games in his career.
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Post#14 » by SOUNDCHASER » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:57 am

True and so he needs to get in shape so he can play more. He is on a team of Europeans playing in America so his pride is at stake now. With Luka Kleber and KP he is a part of something special and he knows he is the weak link if he cannot play more minutes. That will drive him to perform and play more minutes.
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Post#15 » by burek3 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:43 am

Bobi will probably start vs. Sixers, Nuggets, Blazers, Celtics... You get the idea. For everything else, there's Mastercard er I mean Powell. Maxi makes too much sense for bench defensive power.
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Post#16 » by HairyGOATee » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:12 pm

SOUNDCHASER wrote:Boban is one of the most efficient players in the league his PER being 24.25 means he is able to play a very well rounded game.

His rebounding rate is also very high at 20.6 http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate

Hollinger Stats - Rebound Rate - Qualified Players
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
1 Hassan Whiteside, MIA 72 23.3 .564 6.0 10.3 21.9 16.3 35.6 25.9 23.52 322.9 10.8
2 Andre Drummond, DET 79 33.5 .555 7.4 11.5 22.4 16.8 34.7 25.4 23.49 509.4 17.0
3 Ed Davis, BKN 81 17.9 .632 12.2 12.8 12.5 15.8 34.6 25.2 17.28 124.8 4.2
4 DeAndre Jordan, DAL/NY 69 29.7 .674 17.9 17.6 14.4 11.7 35.2 23.5 19.04 257.9 8.6
5 Kevin Love, CLE 22 27.2 .561 11.3 9.9 27.1 5.9 40.0 22.2 19.50 71.4 2.4
6 Rudy Gobert, UTAH 81 31.8 .682 13.1 10.5 17.4 13.2 30.2 21.9 24.60 538.4 17.9
7 Joel Embiid, PHI 64 33.7 .593 12.0 11.6 32.7 8.1 34.0 21.4 26.21 501.8 16.7
8 Enes Kanter, NY/POR 67 24.5 .594 11.6 11.8 22.5 16.3 26.0 21.1 22.36 287.8 9.6
Jonas Valanciunas, TOR/MEM 49 22.3 .616 9.0 11.5 24.7 10.7 31.3 21.1 24.47 225.8 7.5
10 Clint Capela, HOU 67 33.6 .658 9.3 9.1 17.6 14.4 27.6 20.8 23.84 444.4 14.8
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
Domantas Sabonis, IND 74 24.8 .630 17.7 13.3 23.5 11.5 29.8 20.8 21.99 287.8 9.6
12 Willy Hernangomez, CHA 58 14.0 .587 12.6 12.2 21.8 15.3 26.3 20.7 20.41 118.8 4.0
13 Boban Marjanovic, LAC/PHI 58 11.7 .664 12.5 13.7 23.7 14.0 26.9 20.6 24.25 138.8 4.6


Let's get Willy!

lol jk.

But Boban fits the team well. I would have loved Jonas this offseason, but it wasn't meant to be, especially since the Mavs didn't want to stretch-waive Lee, and apparently they didn't feel like renouncing the TPE.
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#17 » by bobsquad » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:24 am

HairyGOATee wrote:
SOUNDCHASER wrote:Boban is one of the most efficient players in the league his PER being 24.25 means he is able to play a very well rounded game.

His rebounding rate is also very high at 20.6 http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate

Hollinger Stats - Rebound Rate - Qualified Players
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
1 Hassan Whiteside, MIA 72 23.3 .564 6.0 10.3 21.9 16.3 35.6 25.9 23.52 322.9 10.8
2 Andre Drummond, DET 79 33.5 .555 7.4 11.5 22.4 16.8 34.7 25.4 23.49 509.4 17.0
3 Ed Davis, BKN 81 17.9 .632 12.2 12.8 12.5 15.8 34.6 25.2 17.28 124.8 4.2
4 DeAndre Jordan, DAL/NY 69 29.7 .674 17.9 17.6 14.4 11.7 35.2 23.5 19.04 257.9 8.6
5 Kevin Love, CLE 22 27.2 .561 11.3 9.9 27.1 5.9 40.0 22.2 19.50 71.4 2.4
6 Rudy Gobert, UTAH 81 31.8 .682 13.1 10.5 17.4 13.2 30.2 21.9 24.60 538.4 17.9
7 Joel Embiid, PHI 64 33.7 .593 12.0 11.6 32.7 8.1 34.0 21.4 26.21 501.8 16.7
8 Enes Kanter, NY/POR 67 24.5 .594 11.6 11.8 22.5 16.3 26.0 21.1 22.36 287.8 9.6
Jonas Valanciunas, TOR/MEM 49 22.3 .616 9.0 11.5 24.7 10.7 31.3 21.1 24.47 225.8 7.5
10 Clint Capela, HOU 67 33.6 .658 9.3 9.1 17.6 14.4 27.6 20.8 23.84 444.4 14.8
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
Domantas Sabonis, IND 74 24.8 .630 17.7 13.3 23.5 11.5 29.8 20.8 21.99 287.8 9.6
12 Willy Hernangomez, CHA 58 14.0 .587 12.6 12.2 21.8 15.3 26.3 20.7 20.41 118.8 4.0
13 Boban Marjanovic, LAC/PHI 58 11.7 .664 12.5 13.7 23.7 14.0 26.9 20.6 24.25 138.8 4.6


Let's get Willy!

lol jk.

But Boban fits the team well. I would have loved Jonas this offseason, but it wasn't meant to be, especially since the Mavs didn't want to stretch-waive Lee, and apparently they didn't feel like renouncing the TPE.

Wouldn't have made sense to pay $15MM for Jonas to be a platoon big man, would make it something like 35 mil a year for bigs not even including KP.

That position has been devalued over the past few years, and while there is some merit to "zagging while everyone zigs", it wouldn't be good value.
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Re: Who's Should Start At C This Year? 

Post#18 » by HairyGOATee » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:31 am

bobsquad wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:
SOUNDCHASER wrote:Boban is one of the most efficient players in the league his PER being 24.25 means he is able to play a very well rounded game.

His rebounding rate is also very high at 20.6 http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate

Hollinger Stats - Rebound Rate - Qualified Players
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
1 Hassan Whiteside, MIA 72 23.3 .564 6.0 10.3 21.9 16.3 35.6 25.9 23.52 322.9 10.8
2 Andre Drummond, DET 79 33.5 .555 7.4 11.5 22.4 16.8 34.7 25.4 23.49 509.4 17.0
3 Ed Davis, BKN 81 17.9 .632 12.2 12.8 12.5 15.8 34.6 25.2 17.28 124.8 4.2
4 DeAndre Jordan, DAL/NY 69 29.7 .674 17.9 17.6 14.4 11.7 35.2 23.5 19.04 257.9 8.6
5 Kevin Love, CLE 22 27.2 .561 11.3 9.9 27.1 5.9 40.0 22.2 19.50 71.4 2.4
6 Rudy Gobert, UTAH 81 31.8 .682 13.1 10.5 17.4 13.2 30.2 21.9 24.60 538.4 17.9
7 Joel Embiid, PHI 64 33.7 .593 12.0 11.6 32.7 8.1 34.0 21.4 26.21 501.8 16.7
8 Enes Kanter, NY/POR 67 24.5 .594 11.6 11.8 22.5 16.3 26.0 21.1 22.36 287.8 9.6
Jonas Valanciunas, TOR/MEM 49 22.3 .616 9.0 11.5 24.7 10.7 31.3 21.1 24.47 225.8 7.5
10 Clint Capela, HOU 67 33.6 .658 9.3 9.1 17.6 14.4 27.6 20.8 23.84 444.4 14.8
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
Domantas Sabonis, IND 74 24.8 .630 17.7 13.3 23.5 11.5 29.8 20.8 21.99 287.8 9.6
12 Willy Hernangomez, CHA 58 14.0 .587 12.6 12.2 21.8 15.3 26.3 20.7 20.41 118.8 4.0
13 Boban Marjanovic, LAC/PHI 58 11.7 .664 12.5 13.7 23.7 14.0 26.9 20.6 24.25 138.8 4.6


Let's get Willy!

lol jk.

But Boban fits the team well. I would have loved Jonas this offseason, but it wasn't meant to be, especially since the Mavs didn't want to stretch-waive Lee, and apparently they didn't feel like renouncing the TPE.

Wouldn't have made sense to pay $15MM for Jonas to be a platoon big man, would make it something like 35 mil a year for bigs not even including KP.

That position has been devalued over the past few years, and while there is some merit to "zagging while everyone zigs", it wouldn't be good value.


That's true, but Jonas could have improved a lot with the Mavs if they had him work on his 3 ball.

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