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NBA 2020 Playoffs | R1 G2 | Mavs vs Clippers, Wednesday 9PM ET

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Re: NBA 2020 Playoffs | R1 G2 | Mavs vs Clippers, Wednesday 9PM ET 

Post#21 » by Mr B » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:21 pm

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Somebody said his TOs are the reason for defeat. Do you know, how many points more is expected on average to be scored from Mavs, if Luka had 6 TO's less? Now do the math what happens, if he had his normal 28 points with 58% TS or knowing Clippers D. even less? You cannot beat Clippers, if all players except Luka made only 18 points and only 2 3s in entire second half. While 11 TOs look bad, they weren't decisive, because majority of them were in first Q, and Mavericks were leading by 14 in Q2. KP's ejection and inability from others to score was crucial on the other hand.


Again deflecting and making excuses. Nobody knows what would have happened if he didn't turn the ball over so much, maybe mavs win, maybe they get blown out. What we do know is, he had 11 TOs. Too many.


Numbers means nothing without context. Anybody, who has watched the game has seen that 2:18 and many TOs in first few minutes didn't meant much in this game. KP's ejection was crucial for the outcome. But you're, like I, entitled for your opinion of course. My prediction is, Luka will have less TOs and worse game tonight.

Luka has 5 TO’s within the first 2 minutes of the game. It was kind of funny but Luka having to exit the game to get his ankle re-taped actually helped the Mavs. It allowed Luka to settle down but it also seemed to throw the Clippers off a little. They were determined to stop Luka. Once he went out it was like the Clippers didn’t know how to defend the Mavs. That’s when the Mavs made their run to get back in the game. Then by the time Luka came back into the game he had settled down and pretty much did whatever he wanted. He still had 6 TO’s from that point on which is too much.


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Post#22 » by Heezzi » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:28 pm

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Bob8 wrote:I have seen that some here didn’t like Luka’s game yesterday. Unfortunately it’s much more probable that he will be near his TO number than his fantastic scoring number from yesterday. Mavs can win only if team will have very good 3-pts %.


If we score on even half of those TOs we win the game.


Like I said your expectations for winning against Clippers looks unrealistic to me. Luka has to have maybe even better offensive game than 42 points with only 21 shots, which is absurd number for his first playoffs game against Clippers. He scored more than half second half points. Has to have only 5 TO's while doing everything with incredible 43% usage. Won't happen in this series.

We were down 4 with 2 mins left. He had 11 TO. That's 11 shots we didn't get to take.
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Post#23 » by bamba123 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:29 pm

My prediction is Dallas wins game 2. The only way they dont win it is if Luka is tired after that effort in game 1. I think Dallas smells blood in the water. In the first few games against the Clippers they didnt have a chance of winning a game but with every game they are closer. I predicted Clippers in 5 but I believe it will go 6 or maybe even 7 games if Luka doesnt run out of gas. Other players should be fresh enough because Doncic basically does everything for everyone on offense.
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Post#24 » by Bob8 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:11 pm

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If we score on even half of those TOs we win the game.


Like I said your expectations for winning against Clippers looks unrealistic to me. Luka has to have maybe even better offensive game than 42 points with only 21 shots, which is absurd number for his first playoffs game against Clippers. He scored more than half second half points. Has to have only 5 TO's while doing everything with incredible 43% usage. Won't happen in this series.

We were down 4 with 2 mins left. He had 11 TO. That's 11 shots we didn't get to take.


Like I said, 42 points with only 21 shots attempted, 76% TS and 0 TO against Clippers would have been GOAT performance. If that is needed for Mavs to win, they should forfeit next games.

The right question should be, how is possible that whole team without Luka has scored only 18 points with disastrous efficiency in second half. Just 28 points in second half would have been enough. But maybe Luka really shouldn't have any TOs and scored another 10 points by himself. ;)
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Post#25 » by HMFFL » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:11 pm

Clips favored to win game two by 6.5 pts.

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Post#27 » by Heezzi » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:22 pm

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Like I said your expectations for winning against Clippers looks unrealistic to me. Luka has to have maybe even better offensive game than 42 points with only 21 shots, which is absurd number for his first playoffs game against Clippers. He scored more than half second half points. Has to have only 5 TO's while doing everything with incredible 43% usage. Won't happen in this series.

We were down 4 with 2 mins left. He had 11 TO. That's 11 shots we didn't get to take.


Like I said, 42 points with only 21 shots attempted, 76% TS and 0 TO against Clippers would have been GOAT performance. If that is needed for Mavs to win, they should forfeit next games.

The right question should be, how is possible that whole team without Luka has scored only 18 points with disastrous efficiency in second half. Just 28 points in second half would have been enough. But maybe Luka really shouldn't have any TOs and scored another 10 points by himself. ;)


Those TOs were from him ball hogging. If he make more passes who knows what would've happened. We can't win playing 1 on 5.
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Post#28 » by Bob8 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:37 pm

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Heezzi wrote:We were down 4 with 2 mins left. He had 11 TO. That's 11 shots we didn't get to take.


Like I said, 42 points with only 21 shots attempted, 76% TS and 0 TO against Clippers would have been GOAT performance. If that is needed for Mavs to win, they should forfeit next games.

The right question should be, how is possible that whole team without Luka has scored only 18 points with disastrous efficiency in second half. Just 28 points in second half would have been enough. But maybe Luka really shouldn't have any TOs and scored another 10 points by himself. ;)


Those TOs were from him ball hogging. If he make more passes who knows what would've happened. We can't win playing 1 on 5.


FGA in second half,

Luka 13 attempts, 23 points.
Rest of the team 31 attempts, 18 points.

FG% in second half,

Luka 61.5%
Rest of the team 26%

TOs in second half,

Luka 4
Rest of the team 4

3 pts% in second half,

Luka 33% (1 made)
Rest of the team 10% (2 made)

Last 5 minutes,

Luka 8 points with 5 shots.
Rest of the team 4 points with 5 shots.

I agree with you, 1 player alone cannot win against Clippers.
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Post#29 » by fuller4379 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:24 pm

Bob8 wrote:
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Like I said, 42 points with only 21 shots attempted, 76% TS and 0 TO against Clippers would have been GOAT performance. If that is needed for Mavs to win, they should forfeit next games.

The right question should be, how is possible that whole team without Luka has scored only 18 points with disastrous efficiency in second half. Just 28 points in second half would have been enough. But maybe Luka really shouldn't have any TOs and scored another 10 points by himself. ;)


Those TOs were from him ball hogging. If he make more passes who knows what would've happened. We can't win playing 1 on 5.


FGA in second half,

Luka 13 attempts, 23 points.
Rest of the team 31 attempts, 18 points.

FG% in second half,

Luka 61.5%
Rest of the team 26%

TOs in second half,

Luka 4
Rest of the team 4

3 pts% in second half,

Luka 33% (1 made)
Rest of the team 10% (2 made)

Last 5 minutes,

Luka 8 points with 5 shots.
Rest of the team 4 points with 5 shots.

I agree with you, 1 player alone cannot win against Clippers.


Agreed. Without Luka this team would have a lot of lottery balls.
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Post#30 » by Heezzi » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:26 pm

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Bob8 wrote:
Heezzi wrote:
Those TOs were from him ball hogging. If he make more passes who knows what would've happened. We can't win playing 1 on 5.


FGA in second half,

Luka 13 attempts, 23 points.
Rest of the team 31 attempts, 18 points.

FG% in second half,

Luka 61.5%
Rest of the team 26%

TOs in second half,

Luka 4
Rest of the team 4

3 pts% in second half,

Luka 33% (1 made)
Rest of the team 10% (2 made)

Last 5 minutes,

Luka 8 points with 5 shots.
Rest of the team 4 points with 5 shots.

I agree with you, 1 player alone cannot win against Clippers.


Agreed. Without Luka this team would have a lot of lottery balls.


He still threw the game away with his TOs.
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Post#31 » by fuller4379 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:46 pm

Heezzi wrote:
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Bob8 wrote:
FGA in second half,

Luka 13 attempts, 23 points.
Rest of the team 31 attempts, 18 points.

FG% in second half,

Luka 61.5%
Rest of the team 26%

TOs in second half,

Luka 4
Rest of the team 4

3 pts% in second half,

Luka 33% (1 made)
Rest of the team 10% (2 made)

Last 5 minutes,

Luka 8 points with 5 shots.
Rest of the team 4 points with 5 shots.

I agree with you, 1 player alone cannot win against Clippers.


Agreed. Without Luka this team would have a lot of lottery balls.


He still threw the game away with his TOs.


Yes, he needs to make fewer turnovers. It is hard though when the defense can collapse on him because the Mavs have very few other options. DFS, Kleber, and KP were a combined 3 for 14 from the three point line. If they would hit the open threes, the Mavs win. Also, if they hit the open threes, the defense can't gang up on Luka.
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Post#32 » by Bob8 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:22 am

Heezzi wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
FGA in second half,

Luka 13 attempts, 23 points.
Rest of the team 31 attempts, 18 points.

FG% in second half,

Luka 61.5%
Rest of the team 26%

TOs in second half,

Luka 4
Rest of the team 4

3 pts% in second half,

Luka 33% (1 made)
Rest of the team 10% (2 made)

Last 5 minutes,

Luka 8 points with 5 shots.
Rest of the team 4 points with 5 shots.

I agree with you, 1 player alone cannot win against Clippers.


Agreed. Without Luka this team would have a lot of lottery balls.


He still threw the game away with his TOs.


And because his FG% was only 61. He should be better.
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Post#33 » by deb » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:05 am

Bob8 wrote:
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Agreed. Without Luka this team would have a lot of lottery balls.


He still threw the game away with his TOs.


And because his FG% was only 61. He should be better.

Come on now Bob8, now you're just creating a straw man argument in a passive aggressive way. 61% is plenty good enough, 11 TOs isn't.
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Post#34 » by Bob8 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:21 am

deb wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
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He still threw the game away with his TOs.


And because his FG% was only 61. He should be better.

Come on now Bob8, now you're just creating a straw man argument in a passive aggressive way. 61% is plenty good enough, 11 TOs isn't.


Too much or not, they didn’t l loose because of that. 2:18 was bad, but it meant nothing. Like it meant nothing 15:2 today or 17 points lead in Q2. Mavericks has lost in second half, because KP was ejected and nobody except Luka could scored.
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Post#35 » by HMFFL » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:28 am

A first half lead is good but let's keep it going.

One negative I will mention is Luka having 3 fouls at halftime.

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Post#36 » by Bob8 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:38 am

Mavs played well but are only 5 up, more or less like game 1. It will be very difficult second half.
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Post#37 » by Bob8 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:56 am

Nobody can guard Kawhi. I don’t doubt some people will find someone to blame, but it’s really simple, Mavs are not good enough to realistically challenge Clippers in this series.
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Post#38 » by Pinkyring » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:58 am

Another game another no show for maxi and Finney smith
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Post#39 » by Bob8 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:13 am

What KP is doing in the end of 3rd, was exactly what was needed in game 1 for the win.
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Post#40 » by aggerrard » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:15 am

Great run after Doncic sat.

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