ImageImageImage

Trade Discussion 20/21

Moderators: Texas Chuck, Dirk, HMFFL

ejs78
Pro Prospect
Posts: 979
And1: 206
Joined: Jul 03, 2015
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#481 » by ejs78 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:19 pm

We should remember it doesn't have to be a big trade if the team does something. Sometimes a small move can make a huge difference.


Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app
daoneandonly
General Manager
Posts: 9,106
And1: 1,476
Joined: May 27, 2004
Location: Masalaland
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#482 » by daoneandonly » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:59 pm

Powell is the one that needs to go, problem is nobody wants him. I'm willing to trade Brunson too as I think Burke is good enough as the backup 1, and Brunson and Burke are a horrible fit together.
ejs78
Pro Prospect
Posts: 979
And1: 206
Joined: Jul 03, 2015
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#483 » by ejs78 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:34 pm

I don't even know if we can get Jordan to take him
daoneandonly wrote:Powell is the one that needs to go, problem is nobody wants him. I'm willing to trade Brunson too as I think Burke is good enough as the backup 1, and Brunson and Burke are a horrible fit together.


Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app
JD45
Head Coach
Posts: 7,405
And1: 105
Joined: Dec 28, 2003

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#484 » by JD45 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:39 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Powell is the one that needs to go, problem is nobody wants him. I'm willing to trade Brunson too as I think Burke is good enough as the backup 1, and Brunson and Burke are a horrible fit together.


Powell doesn't really "need" to go. He isn't a locker room cancer. The coach just needs to keep him on the bench until, or if, he recovers. Mavs aren't in the luxury tax, so they don't need to pay someone else to take a bad contract. Better to just let it run off naturally.

Of course, I would be happy to have him included as filler in a bigger trade to avoid having to send out an actual contributor or prospect.
"Government is the great fiction through which everyone endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else"

Frederic Bastiat
daoneandonly
General Manager
Posts: 9,106
And1: 1,476
Joined: May 27, 2004
Location: Masalaland
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#485 » by daoneandonly » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:48 pm

JD45 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Powell is the one that needs to go, problem is nobody wants him. I'm willing to trade Brunson too as I think Burke is good enough as the backup 1, and Brunson and Burke are a horrible fit together.


Powell doesn't really "need" to go. He isn't a locker room cancer. The coach just needs to keep him on the bench until, or if, he recovers. Mavs aren't in the luxury tax, so they don't need to pay someone else to take a bad contract. Better to just let it run off naturally.

Of course, I would be happy to have him included as filler in a bigger trade to avoid having to send out an actual contributor or prospect.


Yea but unfortunately the coach's and/or FO's love for him makes them inclined to play him. We're better off when he's not on the floor, the only time he should be there is really garbage time when the game is out of reach. He can't defend anyone, can't rebound, can't stretch the floor, he really offers nothing.
ejs78
Pro Prospect
Posts: 979
And1: 206
Joined: Jul 03, 2015
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#486 » by ejs78 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:07 pm

Honest question.

Not saying Mavs should trade for Drummond I'm 50/50 on it, but he was traded last year for basically nothing.

If the Cavs can't trade him what are the chances he gets bought out? I know its probably low, but he'll have made most of his money for the season and is already likely to walk in FA.

Just feels like a weird situation over there right now.

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app
Apz
Pro Prospect
Posts: 885
And1: 235
Joined: Jan 18, 2019
   

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#487 » by Apz » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:35 pm

Cant see us have the salary to matcj drimmonds contract without giving up pieces that contributes. Does picks add to outgoibg salary? Like top 20 prot 25 frp and a secobd or 2 +powell for drummond. Think he will end up on hornets tho
ejs78
Pro Prospect
Posts: 979
And1: 206
Joined: Jul 03, 2015
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#488 » by ejs78 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:42 pm

Correct but he was traded last year for basically a 2nd rd pick. Hes basically a rental at this point. So again if he doesn't get traded do the Cavs just buy him out?
Apz wrote:Cant see us have the salary to matcj drimmonds contract without giving up pieces that contributes. Does picks add to outgoibg salary? Like top 20 prot 25 frp and a secobd or 2 +powell for drummond. Think he will end up on hornets tho


Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app
Apz
Pro Prospect
Posts: 885
And1: 235
Joined: Jan 18, 2019
   

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#489 » by Apz » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:29 pm

Only if we get a longtime injury or they change the rostersize due corona. Powell is too expensive to drop and want to keep the rest
JD45
Head Coach
Posts: 7,405
And1: 105
Joined: Dec 28, 2003

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#490 » by JD45 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:38 pm

ejs78 wrote:Honest question.

Not saying Mavs should trade for Drummond I'm 50/50 on it, but he was traded last year for basically nothing.

If the Cavs can't trade him what are the chances he gets bought out? I know its probably low, but he'll have made most of his money for the season and is already likely to walk in FA.

Just feels like a weird situation over there right now.

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app


It seems like he would be a replacement for WCS. Drummond is a better player than WCS, but WCS has already shown he can fit in with the Mavs and his role. So I think its a pass for now.
"Government is the great fiction through which everyone endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else"

Frederic Bastiat
jpengland
Head Coach
Posts: 6,163
And1: 5,269
Joined: Jan 22, 2014
   

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#491 » by jpengland » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:27 pm

ejs78 wrote:Honest question.

Not saying Mavs should trade for Drummond I'm 50/50 on it, but he was traded last year for basically nothing.

If the Cavs can't trade him what are the chances he gets bought out? I know its probably low, but he'll have made most of his money for the season and is already likely to walk in FA.

Just feels like a weird situation over there right now.

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app


Wouldn't even want him on a minimum deal. He has an ego and would be playing for a contract and you can't play him with KP even a second.

We should be steering well clear of Drummomd.
ejs78
Pro Prospect
Posts: 979
And1: 206
Joined: Jul 03, 2015
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#492 » by ejs78 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:33 pm

Like I said I'm 50/50.

Living in Detroit I've seen his warts for many years.
jpengland wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Honest question.

Not saying Mavs should trade for Drummond I'm 50/50 on it, but he was traded last year for basically nothing.

If the Cavs can't trade him what are the chances he gets bought out? I know its probably low, but he'll have made most of his money for the season and is already likely to walk in FA.

Just feels like a weird situation over there right now.

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app


Wouldn't even want him on a minimum deal. He has an ego and would be playing for a contract and you can't play him with KP even a second.

We should be steering well clear of Drummomd.


Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app
JD45
Head Coach
Posts: 7,405
And1: 105
Joined: Dec 28, 2003

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#493 » by JD45 » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:54 am

I really hope the Mavs are investigating Oladipo possibilities now. Of course they would need to make sure he actually wanted to play for and resign with the Mavs. But clearly, he is unlikely to resign with Houston, so he has to be available. And given what Indy took for him, his market value is not excessive.

His stats are good and trending up, so he could get back to All-Star level. (I got particularly excited to see he RAPTOR score this year would put him right behind Luka on the Mavs. But then I saw Powell had the best defensive RAPTOR score on the Mavs and decided they must be on drugs when they put that system together.)
"Government is the great fiction through which everyone endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else"

Frederic Bastiat
arkuo
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,953
And1: 652
Joined: Jun 16, 2004

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#494 » by arkuo » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:28 am

JD45 wrote:I really hope the Mavs are investigating Oladipo possibilities now. Of course they would need to make sure he actually wanted to play for and resign with the Mavs. But clearly, he is unlikely to resign with Houston, so he has to be available. And given what Indy took for him, his market value is not excessive.

His stats are good and trending up, so he could get back to All-Star level. (I got particularly excited to see he RAPTOR score this year would put him right behind Luka on the Mavs. But then I saw Powell had the best defensive RAPTOR score on the Mavs and decided they must be on drugs when they put that system together.)


Oladipo is pissed. After publicly declaring his intent to stay with Indiana and shooting down trade request rumors, Indiana decides to ship him out on the first opportunity they get. LMAO

If Mavs can get Dipo AND keep Richardson + THJ for added bench scoring, I think you have to do it. THJ can play more or a Nick Van Exel role off the bench. Dipo starts so he can J Rich can guard the starting wings of the opposite team.
User avatar
ozwizard8
Analyst
Posts: 3,066
And1: 848
Joined: Nov 21, 2013
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#495 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:18 am

Enjoyed reading the discussions on Oladipo and Drummond. I believe some of the high-salary players are only good for specific situations. Drummond might help your team to go from 30th to 20th. Drummond would help perhaps to 17-18 Dallas team to compete for playoffs. But that's it for him. After that point, his value tanks and he starts to become negative. I don't think Drummond would add any value even in the first round of playoffs. Oladipo seems to be useful until you get your foot in the top 10 teams.

I don't think Drummond would get a max contract or a 4-year deal. He's not above average on defense or offense. See the E.Kanter's recent one-year deals for reference. Drummond might be a little better but not so much. He wants to stay in the painted area and he cannot defend anyone faster than Jokic in general. He doesn't offer rim protection. Other than rebounds, he's not any better defender than Powell against non-playoff teams. For playoff-caliber teams, every perimeter player of theirs would use Drummond to get an open shot so he's worse than Powell. On offense, he's not a great finisher, lob-target. He'll just block the Doncic's way and that's it.

For Oladipo, it's a better situation and he should be able to get a 4-year contract close to the max from some team. Eric Gordon got a 75m/4 year deal. I guess Oladipo can get a better one. He's contributing to both offense and defense but he's not elite on either side of the court. He was never a defensive specialist and after injuries, I think you cannot expect too much on D. On offense, his %fg does not look good and it's worse in the playoffs. Oladipo would be nice to have on your roster but for what cost? I am not just talking about the assets for the trade. I am not sure if you should sign him on a 120m/4year type of deal.

Read on Twitter
?s=21

I think both eye-test and the stats show that Mavs offense has taken a toll with J. Richardson. However, I still don't worry too much on offense. Doncic is just simply great to take most of the offensive load the whole game. You cant rely on KP to score 25-30 for the whole season but he can actually get his points even in the postseason, clutch time. Mavs needs to find an answer against Lebron/Davis, Kawhi/George duos. Rich-J.Johnson additions probably fill wingmen rotation but big men who can offer rim protection and rebounding would still help. WCS is doing fine but it'd be nice to upgrade from Powell.
Apz
Pro Prospect
Posts: 885
And1: 235
Joined: Jan 18, 2019
   

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#496 » by Apz » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:24 am

Im so lost in that trade. He ended up in houston right?

They are a bit weird. They should be tanking, but their team is too good and on top of that they traded away all their first rounders so no real incentive to tank. So im not sure how theh are thinking.

If they accepted powell + top 10 prot 25 1st and oladipo agrees to resign, why not. Not sure what he makes, if more salary is needed I guess its brunson burke or boban that can join the trade. Dont want to add anyone else. Well, technically terry could be added
Apz
Pro Prospect
Posts: 885
And1: 235
Joined: Jan 18, 2019
   

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#497 » by Apz » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:32 am

I kinda wonder if an unprotected 1st and powell could land us turner. That would be intresting with a kp turner kleber wcs johnson frontcourt. Lots of nice combinations that can be made
User avatar
ozwizard8
Analyst
Posts: 3,066
And1: 848
Joined: Nov 21, 2013
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#498 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:03 am

JD45 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Powell is the one that needs to go, problem is nobody wants him. I'm willing to trade Brunson too as I think Burke is good enough as the backup 1, and Brunson and Burke are a horrible fit together.


Powell doesn't really "need" to go. He isn't a locker room cancer. The coach just needs to keep him on the bench until, or if, he recovers. Mavs aren't in the luxury tax, so they don't need to pay someone else to take a bad contract. Better to just let it run off naturally.

Of course, I would be happy to have him included as filler in a bigger trade to avoid having to send out an actual contributor or prospect.

Perhaps, Mavs can wait for Powell to gain form to trade him. His contract is not that big to consider as a negative asset. Powell in his best day was not convincing as a starter for a playoff nor contender team.
Mike lorenzo
Senior
Posts: 682
And1: 116
Joined: May 09, 2020
 

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#499 » by Mike lorenzo » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:58 am

Apz wrote:I kinda wonder if an unprotected 1st and powell could land us turner. That would be intresting with a kp turner kleber wcs johnson frontcourt. Lots of nice combinations that can be made

I don't think ... Sabonis is very good, but no defense ... Turner is the one in charge of his rim defense. and space in the offensive. Indiana is competing and that trade clearly makes them worse. I think they might consider changing for a more natural 4 ... that can change in defense and space the floor ... the offer should start with Maxi + maybe that selection and match salaries ... He asked me why, we want to pay another center .. ?? KP + WCS + Boban + Maxi we are more than good ... I would be interested in a 3/4 larger than DFS that I can defend as icing on the cake.Anunoby/J.Grant/ Hayward / Gordon / Covington / Clarke / O. Porter ....
1+1=11
Pinkyring
General Manager
Posts: 8,970
And1: 5,429
Joined: May 28, 2016

Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#500 » by Pinkyring » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:13 pm

I don't see a need to trade Powell as there are notable free agents we can't afford as is, I'd like to in a perfect world keep thj for a 3/39 type deal and use the other 22m on conley and porter jr and let Richardson walk. There really isn't a scenario i can see that pays Richardson anything substantial to return

Return to Dallas Mavericks