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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1201 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 9, 2021 7:14 pm

KhalilS wrote:Luka and Brunson weren't really developed in Dallas, they played 3 years at least of competetive basketball at high level, they were refined here, the rest are role players really, developing raw talent like Wiseman is a differrent story.

They absolutely have been developed in Dallas. Now they already an elite level of work ethic and desire to be great and Luka already had the “it factor” but both players have vastly improved since their rookie years. That credit goes to the Dallas coaching staff.


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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1202 » by Mavrelous » Fri Apr 9, 2021 7:26 pm

Euroleague MVP and NCAA player of the year aren't Wiseman kind of talent, and I've seen no indication this kind of talent can be developed here, We'll agree to disagree .
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1203 » by Mavrelous » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:49 pm

What do you guys think of KP/Powell/Burke for Hield/Bagley/Holmes S&T?
Holmes is a defensive anchor, and finisher, better version of DAJ, Bagely's numbers are fine, his metrics are beyond horrible, and Hield is a shooting specialist.
It makes THJ exependable which I hate, other option is replacing Barnes with Hield, but I don't think it's better.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1204 » by arkuo » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:05 pm

KP is not getting traded by Cuban. There's no way you get equal value back and the Mavs are not contending for anything anytime soon. They're just having fun and building chemistry. They might just sign Goran Dragic in the summer and call it an offseason.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1205 » by Archx » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:21 pm

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KhalilS wrote:Luka and Brunson weren't really developed in Dallas, they played 3 years at least of competetive basketball at high level, they were refined here, the rest are role players really, developing raw talent like Wiseman is a differrent story.

They absolutely have been developed in Dallas. Now they already an elite level of work ethic and desire to be great and Luka already had the “it factor” but both players have vastly improved since their rookie years. That credit goes to the Dallas coaching staff.


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Luka was developed in Spain, he still has insanely similar style of play and basically kept and improved some of his other aspects of the game. So you could say he is improving and growing his game in Dallas under Mosley and Silas before him, but he is still basically the same player he was before.

Brunson on the other hand wasn't this good as a rookie, he did develop a lot of his game with the Mavs.

KhalilS wrote:What do you guys think of KP/Powell/Burke for Hield/Bagley/Holmes S&T?
Holmes is a defensive anchor, and finisher, better version of DAJ, Bagely's numbers are fine, his metrics are beyond horrible, and Hield is a shooting specialist.
It makes THJ exependable which I hate, other option is replacing Barnes with Hield, but I don't think it's better.


That would be a silly return for KP. Bagley is useless and i much rather keep THJ than having Hield. They are basically 1:1 players but THJ knows his role really well and is having best year of his career here. In my opinion THJ is someone Mavs absolutely can not get rid off. Unless we get something significant in return. He's a perfect 6th man, like Curry was, and i'm not sure we want to gamble on yet another Jrich type of player.

But they absolutely need to do something with Powell/Burke/Boban and even Jrich. If you want to plan deep playoff runs, you just can't have those guys on the roster and expect them to have any significant production. I mean, Jrich can still obviously prove me wrong, but so far, he hasn't.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1206 » by Mavrelous » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:31 pm

It is a silly return but KP has injury history + bad vibes with Luka when playing, you're not getting value of 20/10 big man for him.
Kleber/Holmes frontcourt is bad offensively, but maybe that's what Luka needs? Rebounding, defense, and knockout shooters? JRich, DFS, Kleber and Holmes next to Luka will make a killer defensive and rebounding lineup, Bagely can develop into backup 4/5 to run with Brunson/Hield.
The missing piece would be another combo forward, maybe switch Hield with Barnes and re-sign THJ, I just don't think Barnes last appearance in Dallas was a success.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1207 » by fuller4379 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:56 am

I am watching Drummond and trying to figure out why the Mavs didn’t want him.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1208 » by Apz » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:55 am

fuller4379 wrote:I am watching Drummond and trying to figure out why the Mavs didn’t want him.


Think we went thru this a 1000 times. Probably wantef him, but he wanted lakers. But that was after buyout. Impossible to trade for him before that due salarymatching
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1209 » by arkuo » Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:02 am

fuller4379 wrote:I am watching Drummond and trying to figure out why the Mavs didn’t want him.



Drummond has to actually WANT to come to Dallas.

It was a choice to win a ring with an All Time Great in Lebron or Slovenian Russell Westbrook. That was a very easy choice.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1210 » by dirkforpres » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:37 pm

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Let’s hope there’s some truth to this. Finally give Luka the help he deserves, not this garbage they’ve stuck him with for 3 years
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1211 » by Mavrelous » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:03 pm

One of the biggest spenders historically isn't going to sit on talent like Luka and let him waste, the question is what will he do?
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1212 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:27 pm

Yes they always look...but...
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1213 » by arkuo » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:50 pm

KhalilS wrote:One of the biggest spenders historically isn't going to sit on talent like Luka and let him waste, the question is what will he do?



As a start, he can shop for quality products and not spend big on guys like Monta Ellis, Harrison Barnes, Chandler Parsons, Dwight Powell or Deandre Jordan.

Spending big is different from spending smart. For once maybe he can do the latter and we'll actually get something going.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1214 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:05 pm

arkuo wrote:
KhalilS wrote:One of the biggest spenders historically isn't going to sit on talent like Luka and let him waste, the question is what will he do?



As a start, he can shop for quality products and not spend big on guys like Monta Ellis, Harrison Barnes, Chandler Parsons, Dwight Powell or Deandre Jordan.

Spending big is different from spending smart. For once maybe he can do the latter and we'll actually get something going.


You are right but in 41years how many All star have signed here?

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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1215 » by Mavrelous » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:16 pm

arkuo wrote:
KhalilS wrote:One of the biggest spenders historically isn't going to sit on talent like Luka and let him waste, the question is what will he do?



As a start, he can shop for quality products and not spend big on guys like Monta Ellis, Harrison Barnes, Chandler Parsons, Dwight Powell or Deandre Jordan.

Spending big is different from spending smart. For once maybe he can do the latter and we'll actually get something going.


How soon we forget Eric Dampier :)
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1216 » by Mike lorenzo » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:05 am

What do you think of A.Burks .. ??
What little I have seen, it seems quite solid, I like it .. it is a UFA and it would probably not be expensive .. as a rotation player ..
And what do you think of the apparent interest of Knicks by Brunson ...
Do you have something that interests us? ...
we will probably have to give him a good contract, if we want him to stay ... offers will not be lacking
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1217 » by Absinthe » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:14 am

Did the Mavs have any shot at getting Randle? Ironically, he would have been a much better fit than Porzingis and for much cheaper.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1218 » by Speadge » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:19 am

Absinthe wrote:Did the Mavs have any shot at getting Randle? Ironically, he would have been a much better fit than Porzingis and for much cheaper.

And he's from Dallas.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1219 » by Mr B » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:01 pm

Absinthe wrote:Did the Mavs have any shot at getting Randle? Ironically, he would have been a much better fit than Porzingis and for much cheaper.

Everyone had a shot at Randle. No one wanted him because “he’ll clog the lane because he doesn’t shoot 3’s”. That was the knock on him, especially on these boards. See how idiotic that sounds now.


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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#1220 » by Mavrelous » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:08 pm

No one thought Randle would be that good, not even the Knicks, he's one of the most underpaid players no on rookie contract.
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