Trade Discussion 22/23

ejs78 · Post #4021 » by **ejs78** » Wed May 18, 2022 12:30 am

Orlando at 1.

Bamba and who else is gone?

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Maverick41 · Post #4022 » by **Maverick41** » Wed May 18, 2022 1:18 am

ejs78 wrote:Orlando at 1.

Bamba and who else is gone?

Assuming Chet is picked #1, I think Bamba has to be gone.

Assuming one of Banchero or Jabari Smith is picked #1, I would think they would heavily shop Isaac. Whether they find a deal is a different story.

Again, I like Bamba's talent and potential. He comes with a lot of faults but you can't teach his touch and physical abilities. If he's somehow available for cheap or the taxpayer MLE, I hope the Mavs pounce on it.

ejs78 · Post #4023 » by **ejs78** » Wed May 18, 2022 2:23 am

Maverick41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Orlando at 1.

Bamba and who else is gone?

Assuming Chet is picked #1, I think Bamba has to be gone.

Assuming one of Banchero or Jabari Smith is picked #1, I would think they would heavily shop Isaac. Whether they find a deal is a different story.

Again, I like Bamba's talent and potential. He comes with a lot of faults but you can't teach his touch and physical abilities. If he's somehow available for cheap or the taxpayer MLE, I hope the Mavs pounce on it.

I wonder how they feel about Okeke.

Not a good shooter, but a cheap defensive wing.

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Michaellam1987 · Post #4024 » by **Michaellam1987** » Wed May 18, 2022 2:28 am

Maverick41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Orlando at 1.

Bamba and who else is gone?

Assuming Chet is picked #1, I think Bamba has to be gone.

Assuming one of Banchero or Jabari Smith is picked #1, I would think they would heavily shop Isaac. Whether they find a deal is a different story.

Again, I like Bamba's talent and potential. He comes with a lot of faults but you can't teach his touch and physical abilities. If he's somehow available for cheap or the taxpayer MLE, I hope the Mavs pounce on it.

Can't agree more, but really doubt he can be had for the taxpayer MLE, he likely demands for 10M+ per year contract, and tons of teams will be willing to offer that.

Maverick41 · Post #4025 » by **Maverick41** » Wed May 18, 2022 2:50 am

ejs78 wrote:I wonder how they feel about Okeke.

Not a good shooter, but a cheap defensive wing.

I doubt he's on the block since he's still under a small contract. BUT if he was, I like him a lot as someone who can thrive in our defense. Also think he has a good stroke and his end of season 3 point percentage is not indicative of his shot since he struggled quite a bit to start the season and doesn't exactly have good playmakers on his team.

Apz · Post #4026 » by **Apz** » Wed May 18, 2022 4:32 am

I dont think Orlando should take Chet. Not with a no1 pick, he just screams RISK for me. Banchero sounded like ..... was gonna say something bad, but didnt like his attitude when he talked there in the interview. Jabari Smith looks ready, sounded mature and considering what Ive heard about them is pretty equal in talent as the other 2. I would go with him 100/100, specially if u want him to be the cornerstone in a rebuild, it needs to be a mature, an adult tbh. Both chet and banchero sounded like kids. See way more risk and not any more reward in choosing 1 of the other.

arkuo · Post #4027 » by **arkuo** » Wed May 18, 2022 4:39 am

If Orlando goes with Banchero they are moving Isaac. Risky move but like KP, it's too good a roll to not take the dice. Maybe Isaac for THJ?

fuller4379 · Post #4028 » by **fuller4379** » Wed May 18, 2022 2:41 pm

I see Bamba as similar to Noel. Both lack the work ethic to make it.

arkuo · Post #4029 » by **arkuo** » Wed May 18, 2022 6:05 pm

I've watched a lot of the team defense being played by dallas during the PHX series and one of the unsung heroes was how well Powell and Kleber was able to hedge and recover really fast on D. These things do not pop up on the boxcore, but it does have an overall effect on the team. Getting a full fledged big center would not be able to replicate the foot speed Powell and Kleber have in hedging and recovering and even switching to smaller wings at times. Somehow getting an undersized C or a defensive PF might be able to work better for the Mavs if this is the system they plan to run for the next few years. Forget the Rudy Gobert types, Mavs are going small ball under Kidd and Nico. That is playoff type basketball.

That being said, I do not think Bamba and other big centers would cut it. They can hedge but they wont make it back in time to recover and defend the man that they left. The key there is getting a quicker C or a converting a PF to your center for this scenario to work.

This makes me wonder if Kidd can expand John Collins' game to add above average help defense to the mix. If Kidd can teach Powell to play defense, then why not Collins. He's 24 and very quick on his feet, the same size as Powell and can shoot the 3 occasionally. And he's on the ATL trade block. Value is low IMO. He's not as big as a center in the traditional sense but he can definitely hedge on the pick and roll defense, and recover back to his man just like what the Mavs are doing. He costs like $25M a year though. A cheaper option might be Larry Nance Jr. These are quick PFs, can play small ball C.

Darren · Post #4030 » by **Darren** » Thu May 19, 2022 12:25 am

I think Mark William is better (fit) than Mo Bamba. But in case the Mavs managed to trade for Bamba, I'm fine with it. I am not sure Klesser fit the zone defense system very well. I wonder what Orlando wants from trade, though. Clearly, I am interested in Isaac and Bamba.

Post #4031 » by **HMFFL** » Thu May 19, 2022 11:06 am

Bertans needs to step up. He needs to simply make his damn shots but it's not so simple for him. I'd like to see him show up vs Golden State, not just for the teams to succeed, but so we can possibly move him this off-season. It's not looking likely. 0-4 yesterday in game one. 0 for 8 in his last attempts.

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41Dirk41 · Post #4032 » by **41Dirk41** » Thu May 19, 2022 11:24 am

HMFFL wrote:Bertans needs to step up. He needs to simply make his damn shots but it's not so simple for him. I'd like to see him show up vs Golden State, not just for the teams to succeed, but so we can possibly move him this off-season. It's not looking likely. 0-4 yesterday in game one. 0 for 8 in his last attempts.

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Them team never creates good shoots for him and other teams cover him like a glove.
It's difficult situation for a shooter, if he had the same space than Bullock and DFS he would have shooted with an insane % for sure.

LAL1947 · Post #4033 » by **LAL1947** » Thu May 19, 2022 2:31 pm

Darren wrote:I think Mark William is better (fit) than Mo Bamba. But in case the Mavs managed to trade for Bamba, I'm fine with it. I am not sure Klesser fit the zone defense system very well. I wonder what Orlando wants from trade, though. Clearly, I am interested in Isaac and Bamba.

No point in bringing up Mark Williams because he's not going to be on the board at #26.

Maverick41 · Post #4034 » by **Maverick41** » Thu May 19, 2022 10:59 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Them team never creates good shoots for him and other teams cover him like a glove.
It's difficult situation for a shooter, if he had the same space than Bullock and DFS he would have shooted with an insane % for sure.

I think the difference is that both Bullock and DFS shoot it when their open and move the ball for a better shot when the defense flies at them. In comparison, Bertans 90% of the time will just shoot it, whether contested or not. His height and quick release does help but based on his 3 point inefficiency so far (for his standards), it's clear that he needs to do a better job of not chucking them up every chance he gets.

Hopefully he turns it around. Only good things come from him hitting shots. We either win or we add to his trade value. His trade value can't get any lower anyway.

Post #4035 » by **Mavrelous** » Fri May 20, 2022 7:47 am

I loved Bertans throughout most the PO, but he hasn't been good the last 3 games, games 6+7 others stepped up and he wasn't needed, but yesterday, he was much needed and he was bad.
More than missing his shots, his defense was bad, he will be targeted, and Kidd, DFS and Kleber are smart enough to know it, he can't stop GSW guards, but he can slow them down enough for help to be there, he was a traffic cone.
Bertans is a huge wildcard, if he hits his shots, and he's the best shooter Mavs have and can be passable defensively, he's going to be huge.
To put it in simple terms, missing shots and being beaten on defense is totally fine, lack of effort isn't.

41Dirk41 · Post #4036 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri May 20, 2022 8:17 am

What a hell of PO by Smart... I still think he is the best solution for pairing Luka.

DaddyCool19 · Post #4037 » by **DaddyCool19** » Fri May 20, 2022 7:52 pm

Is a Hardaway trade likely this offseason? The team is playing really well without him. I wonder if him and the 26th pick would be enough, to land a solid Center who is better than Powell.

fuller4379 · Post #4038 » by **fuller4379** » Fri May 20, 2022 7:58 pm

DaddyCool19 wrote:Is a Hardaway trade likely this offseason? The team is playing really well without him. I wonder if him and the 26th pick would be enough, to land a solid Center who is better than Powell.

Does THJ have any value after the awful season he put up? 33.6% from the three point line for someone who is supposed to be a pure shooter isn't very good.

41Dirk41 · Post #4039 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri May 20, 2022 8:38 pm

I prefer to keep THJ than Green, seems he can't play and exp teams win titles. Not young guns.

Teffer10 · Post #4040 » by **Teffer10** » Sat May 21, 2022 12:55 am

41Dirk41 wrote:I prefer to keep THJ than Green, seems he can't play and exp teams win titles. Not young guns.

I'm giving Green one more year before I give up on him.
If he works on his shot and learns to finish at the rim he might turn out to be a legit rotation player.

I've already given up on THJ...he is what he is and will always be inconsistent.
Leopards don't change their spots.