Trade Discussion 22/23

arkuo · Post #8521 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:23 pm

Shams reporting Kyrie urging Mavs to trade for Lebron.

It should be doable with THJ and Bertan's contracts there to match.

ejs78 · Post #8522 » by **ejs78** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:30 pm

arkuo wrote:Shams reporting Kyrie urging Mavs to trade for Lebron.

It should be doable with THJ and Bertan's contracts there to match.

With the new CBA this would be the exact wrong way to build a team.

arkuo · Post #8523 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:31 pm

ejs78 wrote:
arkuo wrote:Shams reporting Kyrie urging Mavs to trade for Lebron.

It should be doable with THJ and Bertan's contracts there to match.

With the new CBA this would be the exact wrong way to build a team.

True. But we know how Kyrie can persuade Cuban. Let's see if it hinges on him re-signing.

arkuo · Post #8524 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:34 pm

It is to be noted that Lebron comes with Rich Paul and that whole party. So that's another angle of the story.

ejs78 · Post #8525 » by **ejs78** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:41 pm

arkuo wrote:It is to be noted that Lebron comes with Rich Paul and that whole party. So that's another angle of the story.

And all that for me is a pass.

Do we really want Luka learning from Lebron on how to hold a team for ransom all the time? Cleary a different situation, but the Mavs should know a big 3 doesnt work after watching the Lakers. With the new CBA you may only need Luka and really good surrounding parts/depth.

arkuo · Post #8526 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:45 pm

ejs78 wrote:
arkuo wrote:It is to be noted that Lebron comes with Rich Paul and that whole party. So that's another angle of the story.

And all that for me is a pass.

Do we really want Luka learning from Lebron on how to hold a team for ransom all the time? Cleary a different situation, but the Mavs should know a big 3 doesnt work after watching the Lakers. With the new CBA you may only need Luka and really good surrounding parts/depth.

I dont really like it too, to be honest. Lebron + Kyrie + Luka all on max contracts. That's your whole cap room.

BliscoSantos · Post #8527 » by **BliscoSantos** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:00 pm

arkuo wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
arkuo wrote:It is to be noted that Lebron comes with Rich Paul and that whole party. So that's another angle of the story.

And all that for me is a pass.

Do we really want Luka learning from Lebron on how to hold a team for ransom all the time? Cleary a different situation, but the Mavs should know a big 3 doesnt work after watching the Lakers. With the new CBA you may only need Luka and really good surrounding parts/depth.

I dont really like it too, to be honest. Lebron + Kyrie + Luka all on max contracts. That's your whole cap room.

LeBron is not what the Mavs need...he's still good but he's too old...Just trade Kyrie to the Lakers ,get their pick 17# , they send DLo to Suns,you get Paul and Ayton..give Suns 2026 pick,Match salaries, try including Wood...Mavs get Paul, but next year his contract isn't fully guaranteed...Mavs can they next year to try getting in the playoffs(with Luka that's still a possibility) and develop the Young guys

ozwizard8 · Post #8528 » by **ozwizard8** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 6:29 pm

arkuo wrote:Shams reporting Kyrie urging Mavs to trade for Lebron.

It should be doable with THJ and Bertan's contracts there to match.

Kyrie wants Luka gone. No surprise.

I'll admit Luka would be very happy in LA. Lakers would be the most similar team to Real Madrid in the US.
Luka-Vanderbilt-AD would be great setting for hiding Luka's defensive deficiency and allow great two men game for Luka. Luka-Kyrie is not helping Luka at all. Luka-AD would open new layers on offense for Luka.

Anyway, its not happening. Clown Nico Harrison is not that dumb.

ozwizard8 · Post #8529 » by **ozwizard8** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 6:48 pm

BliscoSantos wrote:
arkuo wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
And all that for me is a pass.

Do we really want Luka learning from Lebron on how to hold a team for ransom all the time? Cleary a different situation, but the Mavs should know a big 3 doesnt work after watching the Lakers. With the new CBA you may only need Luka and really good surrounding parts/depth.

I dont really like it too, to be honest. Lebron + Kyrie + Luka all on max contracts. That's your whole cap room.

LeBron is not what the Mavs need...he's still good but he's too old...Just trade Kyrie to the Lakers ,get their pick 17# , they send DLo to Suns,you get Paul and Ayton..give Suns 2026 pick,Match salaries, try including Wood...Mavs get Paul, but next year his contract isn't fully guaranteed...Mavs can they next year to try getting in the playoffs(with Luka that's still a possibility) and develop the Young guys

Paul and Ayton return would be pretty good for Kyrie's expiring.
4-5 year max extension for Kyrie would be a major trouble for any team signing that contract. Only a team that considers the tanking for 2025-2026 can take such risk. Lakers may be one.

In general, Ayton's $100m/3 year deal looks much better than Kyrie's $200m/4 year.

Tier 1: Jokic-Embiid-AD-BAM
Tier 2: KAT-D.Ayton-Gobert-J.Allen-KP-Sabonis
Tier 3: Capela-Mitchell Robinson-Robert Williams-JV-Sengun-K.Looney-Myles Turner
Tier 4: Zubac-C.Wood-Powell-Nurkic-Adams-Vucevic-Brook Lopez-Claxton-Kessler-Chet Holmgren

*This is how I would list the centers. Tier 1 guys are impactful players that make you win playoff series.
*Tier 2 guys have either offensive or defensive deficiency. These players gets demoted in some playoff series. Like Gobert is great defender in regular season, but Maxi Kleber can take him out of the equation easily. J.Allen suddenly become less impressive in playoffs. KP-KAT cant defend much and kinda injury prone.

*Tier 3-4 guys either get exposed on defense or offense. Some of them are there because of the injury concerns, being old-slow. Sengun, Timelord, Kessler can make it to Tier 1-2 pretty soon.

I would not say D.Ayton is an impactful player for playoffs, but I think he is good enough to stay on court for both defensive and offensive possessions. He is a top 10 center for sure. I'd rank him at #7 as of today.

Considering how Tyson Chandler become DPOY after couple of years, Ayton may make that next step with us too. Experience to not get called foul, and getting stronger with better conditioning will help him. On offense, Luka can feed him more which would make him stay focused in the game. Look at Jokic, he does that to make sure everyone is focused on D.

41Dirk41 · Post #8530 » by **41Dirk41** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:48 pm

Here comes LeBron... Luka-Kyrie-Green-Lebron-Turner is a hell of S5.

I don't care about money, let moron Cuban pays after 10 cheap years.

FreshyFlames · Post #8531 » by **FreshyFlames** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 8:13 pm

arkuo wrote:Shams reporting Kyrie urging Mavs to trade for Lebron.

It should be doable with THJ and Bertan's contracts there to match.

GermanFan120 · Post #8532 » by **GermanFan120** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 8:14 pm

Is Cuban trying to force Mavs fans to hate this franchise by getting all these drama king and queen?

Post #8533 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 9:03 pm

If Rich Paul pulls this off, I might start listening to Adele, but I can't promise.

arkuo · Post #8534 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 9:06 pm

As much as I dont like the idea, Cuban might actually bite on it for the sole purpose of publicity. He's working with the guys from Vegas to build a mega resort casino in Dallas right? You need attractions like that to draw high rollers in town. LBJ + Kyrie + Luka would do just that. That wont win a ring though. But it makes Cuban richer.

Just to make enough noise for the rich folks to fly in. Top billed by big names. None bigger than LBJ. Just my two cents.

Mr B · Post #8535 » by **Mr B** » Tue Jun 6, 2023 12:57 am

ozwizard8 wrote:
arkuo wrote:Shams reporting Kyrie urging Mavs to trade for Lebron.

It should be doable with THJ and Bertan's contracts there to match.

Kyrie wants Luka gone. No surprise.

I'll admit Luka would be very happy in LA. Lakers would be the most similar team to Real Madrid in the US.
Luka-Vanderbilt-AD would be great setting for hiding Luka's defensive deficiency and allow great two men game for Luka. Luka-Kyrie is not helping Luka at all. Luka-AD would open new layers on offense for Luka.

Anyway, its not happening. Clown Nico Harrison is not that dumb.

Luka isn’t going to Lakers and the Mavs aren’t trading him. Only wishful thinking on your part.

Post #8536 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Jun 6, 2023 6:41 am

arkuo wrote:As much as I dont like the idea, Cuban might actually bite on it for the sole purpose of publicity. He's working with the guys from Vegas to build a mega resort casino in Dallas right? You need attractions like that to draw high rollers in town. LBJ + Kyrie + Luka would do just that. That wont win a ring though. But it makes Cuban richer.

Just to make enough noise for the rich folks to fly in. Top billed by big names. None bigger than LBJ. Just my two cents.

Until this gets approved and built, LeBron will be grandpa.

Teffer10 · Post #8537 » by **Teffer10** » Tue Jun 6, 2023 7:36 am

I'm fine with a Lebron trade.
This team was doomed the day they traded for Kyrie so we might as well go down hard and fast.
Give it a 2 year shot and then trade Luka for as many DPs and young players as possible.

Maverick41 · Post #8538 » by **Maverick41** » Tue Jun 6, 2023 9:08 am

These reports by Haynes and Shams is just posturing by LeBron and Kyrie to force Pelinka to bring him to LA or at least bring them to the table to inflate Kyries contract.

With basketball media, there's rumors and then there's reports put out for a purpose to help players. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. This one is the latter imo.

Post #8539 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Jun 6, 2023 9:48 am

Maverick41 wrote:These reports by Haynes and Shams is just posturing by LeBron and Kyrie to force Pelinka to bring him to LA or at least bring them to the table to inflate Kyries contract.

With basketball media, there's rumors and then there's reports put out for a purpose to help players. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. This one is the latter imo.

That's my read on this also, and TBH, it's a bit of a turn off on Kyrie as a Mav, I wish them success in their attempts to force Pelinka's hands.

Gooner · Post #8540 » by **Gooner** » Tue Jun 6, 2023 10:21 am

Maverick41 wrote:These reports by Haynes and Shams is just posturing by LeBron and Kyrie to force Pelinka to bring him to LA or at least bring them to the table to inflate Kyries contract.

With basketball media, there's rumors and then there's reports put out for a purpose to help players. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. This one is the latter imo.

Yes, it's obvious that LBJ wants to trade for Kyrie but Pelinka doesn't. Now klutch sports puts this out there as some kind of a threat. If they don't give LBJ what he wants, he might leave. Kyrie obviously wants to go to the Lakers, but he can't say it publicly. I believe if he signs with the Mavs, it will be a shorter deal with a big salary, just to keep the door open for the Lakers. That's where he wants to be, and it's not just because of LBJ.

From Dallas perspective it would be the best to sign and trade Kyrie imo. They experimented with him and Luka and it didn't work because they just have different styles of play. Kyrie put up great numbers but the team lost it's identity. It was an unnecessary panick move when Luka has plenty of years left on his contract. They need to be patient with their approach to building this team.